Star Wars Episode 3

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I saw the new trailer for the Star Wars movie coming out may 19 2005. OMG!!! Nothing will ever beat the original trilogy but this movie looks like it will be the best of the prequels. You hear the the emperor telling darth vader to rise. It looks like yoda fights again but also darth sidious aka the emperor looks likes he has a lightsaber and fights in this one. Overall, flop or success it should be interesting to see.
 

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I just saw it and it looks great. With all the stuff that's going to happen in it it will have to be the best prequel move for sure!
 

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OMFG!!! It just keeps getting more farking amazing. George Lucas is a 'God'
I can't wait until May 2005... pure torture.




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WTF Does That Have To Do With The Movie?

jimmy coldplay said:
George Lucas is a Republican.

And so is Master Yoda.
Whatever... your just like annoying paper cuts. Leave me alone. This is your first warning.



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Bounty Hunters

So what would the bounty hunters be Democrats, or Republicans?
Bounty hunters such as IG-88, Bossk, Dengar, 4LOM, Zuckuss, and of course boba fett. And would Jango Fett in the earlier days spoil his ballet. Maybe Zam Wessel blew up the senator amidala because she didn't want her to win. K this just got out of hand. Im going to stop typing right now.
 

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I just saw the Incredibles yesterday ( excellant movie BTW) and they showed the trailer.
If you think it looks good on your computer or on the TV then wait until you see it on the big screen.
This will be on hell of a movie
 

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ahhhh people lets calm down now lets remember Lucas is still the man responsible for Jar Jar Blinks, and the last episode which had such captivating lines like "your skin is smooth not rough like the sand" as for Lucas being Republican hmmm hardly unlikely since the good guys are this rainbow coalition of whites, blacks, aliens, one of the top leaders is a woman, while the empire were all men hmmm yes I know i have too much time on my hands this weekend :)
 

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Enjoy this. Not written by me.

The Case for the Empire
Everything you think you know about Star Wars is wrong.
by Jonathan V. Las

STAR WARS RETURNS today with its fifth installment, "Attack of the
Clones."
There will be talk of the Force and the Dark Side and the epic morality of George Lucas's series. But the truth is that from the beginning, Lucas confused the good guys with the bad. The deep lesson of Star Wars is that the Empire is good. It's a difficult leap to make--embracing Darth Vader and the Emperor over the plucky and attractive Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia--but a careful examination of the facts, sorted apart from Lucas's off-the-shelf moral cues, makes a quite convincing case.

First, an aside: For the sake of this discussion, I've considered only the history gleaned from the actual Star Wars films, not the Expanded Universe.
If you know what the Expanded Universe is and want to argue that no discussion of Star Wars can be complete without considering material outside the canon, that's fine. However, it's always been my view that the comic books and novels largely serve to clean up Lucas's narrative and philosophical messes. Therefore, discussions of intrinsic intent must necessarily revolve around the movies alone. You may disagree, but please don't e-mail me about it. If you don't know what the Expanded Universe is, well, uh, neither do I.

I. The Problems with the Galactic Republic
At the beginning of the Star Wars saga, the known universe is led
by the Galactic Republic. The Republic is controlled by a Senate, which is, in turn, run by an elected chancellor who's in charge of procedure, but has little real power. Scores of thousands of planets are represented in the Galactic Senate, and as we first encounter it, it is sclerotic and ineffectual. The Republic has grown over many millennia to the point where there are so many factions and disparate interests, that it is simply too big to be able. Even the Republic's staunchest supporters recognize this failing: In "The Phantom Menace," Queen Amidala admits, "It is clear to me now that the Republic no longer functions." In "Attack of the Clones," young Anakin Skywalker observes that it simply "doesn't work." The Senate moves so slowly that it is powerless to stop aggression between member states. In "The Phantom Menace" a supra-planetary alliance, the Trade Federation (think of it as OPEC to the Galactic Republic's United
Nations), invades a planet and all the Senate can agree to do is call for an investigation. Like the United Nations, the Republic has no armed forces of its own, but instead relies on a group of warriors, the Jedi knights, to "keep the peace." The Jedi, while autonomous, often work in tandem with the Senate, trying to smooth over quarrels and avoid conflicts. But the Jedi number only
in the thousands--they cannot protect everyone. What's more, it's not clear that they should be "protecting" anyone. The Jedi are Lucas's great heroes, full of Zen wisdom and righteous power.
They encourage people to "use the Force"--the mystical energy which is the source of their power--but the truth, revealed in "The Phantom Menace," is that the Force isn't available to the rabble. The Force comes from midi-chlorians, tiny symbiotic organisms in people's blood, like mitochondria. The Force, it turns out, is an inherited, genetic trait. If you don't have the blood, you don't get the Force. Which makes the Jedi not a democratic militia, but a royalist Swiss guard. And an arrogant royalist Swiss guard, at that. With one or two notable exceptions, the Jedi we meet in Star Wars are full of themselves. They ignore the counsel of others (often with terrible consequences), and seem honestly to believe that they are at the center of the universe. When the chief Jedi record-keeper is asked in "Attack of the Clones" about a planet she has never heard of, she replies that if it's not in the Jedi archives, it doesn't exist. (The planet in question does exist, again, with terrible consequences.) In "Attack of the Clones," a mysterious figure, Count Dooku, leads a separatist movement of planets that want to secede from the Republic. Dooku promises these confederates smaller government, unlimited free trade, and an "absolute commitment to capitalism." Dooku's motives are suspect--it's not clear whether or not he believes in these causes. However, there's no reason to doubt the motives of the other separatists--they seem genuinely to want to make a fresh start with a government that isn't bloated and dysfunctional.
The Republic, of course, is eager to quash these separatists, but they never make a compelling case--or any case, for that matter--as to why, if they are such a freedom-loving regime, these planets should not be allowed to check out of the Republic and take control of their own destinies.
 

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II. The Empire

We do not yet know the exact how's and why's, but we do know this: At some point between the end of Episode II and the beginning of Episode IV, the Republic is replaced by an Empire. The first hint comes in "Attack of the Clones," when the Senate's Chancellor Palpatine is granted emergency powers to deal with the separatists. It spoils very little to tell you that Palpatine eventually becomes the Emperor. For a time, he keeps the Senate in place, functioning as a rubber-stamp, much like the Roman imperial senate, but a few minutes into Episode IV, we are informed that the he has dissolved the Senate, and that "the last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away."
Lucas wants the Empire to stand for evil, so he tells us that the
Emperor and Darth Vader have gone over to the Dark Side and dresses them in black. But look closer. When Palpatine is still a senator, he says, "The Republic is not what it once was. The Senate is full of greedy, squabbling delegates. There is no interest in the common good." At one point he laments that "the bureaucrats are in charge now." Palpatine believes that the political order must be manipulated to produce peace and stability. When he mutters, "There is no civility, there is only politics," we see that at heart, he's an esoteric Straussian. Make no mistake, as emperor, Palpatine is a dictator--but a relatively benign one, like Pinochet. It's a dictatorship people can do business with. They collect taxes and patrol the skies. They try to stop organized crime (in the form of the smuggling rings run by the Hutts). The Empire has virtually no effect on the daily life of the average, law-abiding citizen. Also, unlike the divine-right Jedi, the Empire is a meritocracy. The Empire runs academies throughout the galaxy (Han Solo begins his career at an Imperial academy), and those who show promise are promoted, often rapidly. In "The Empire Strikes Back" Captain Piett is quickly promoted to admiral when his predecessor "falls down on the job." And while it's a small point, the Empire's manners and decorum speak well of it. When Darth Vader is forced to employ bounty hunters to track down Han Solo, he refuses to address them by name. Even Boba Fett, the greatest of all trackers, is referred to icily as "bounty hunter." And yet Fett understands the protocol. When he captures Solo, he calls him "Captain Solo." (Whether this is in deference to Han's former rank in the Imperial starfleet, or simply because Han owns and pilots his own ship, we don't know. I suspect it's the former.)
But the most compelling evidence that the Empire isn't evil comes in "The Empire Strikes Back" when Darth Vader is battling Luke Skywalker. After an exhausting fight, Vader is poised to finish Luke off, but he stays his hand. He tries to convert Luke to the Dark Side with this simple plea: "There is no escape. Don't make me destroy you. . . . Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy." It is here we find the real controlling impulse for the Dark Side and the Empire. The Empire doesn't want slaves or destruction or "evil." It wants order. None of which is to say that the Empire isn't sometimes brutal. In
Episode IV, Imperial stormtroopers kill Luke's aunt and uncle and Grand Moff Tarkin orders the destruction of an entire planet, Alderaan. But viewed in context, these acts are less brutal than they initially appear. Poor Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen reach a grisly end, but only after they aid the rebellion by hiding Luke and harboring two fugitive droids. They aren't given due process, but they are traitors. The destruction of Alderaan is often cited as ipso facto proof of the Empire's "evilness" because it seems like mass murder--planeticide, even. As Tarkin prepares to fire the Death Star, Princess Leia implores him to spare the planet, saying, "Alderaan is peaceful. We have no weapons." Her plea is
important, if true. But the audience has no reason to believe that Leia is telling the truth. In Episode IV, every bit of information she gives the Empire is willfully untrue. In the opening, she tells Darth Vader that she is on a diplomatic mission of mercy, when in fact she is on a spy mission, trying to deliver schematics of the Death Star to the Rebel Alliance. When asked where the Alliance is headquartered, she lies again. Leia's lies are perfectly defensible--she thinks she's serving the greater good--but they make her wholly unreliable on the question of wether or not Alderaan really is peaceful and defenseless. If anything, since Leia is a high-ranking member of the rebellion and the princess of Alderaan, it would be reasonable to suspect that Alderaan is a front for Rebel activity or at least home to many more spies and insurgents like Leia.
 

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Whatever the case, the important thing to recognize is that the Empire is not committing random acts of terror. It is engaged in a fight for the survival of its regime against a violent group of rebels who are committed to its destruction.

III. After the Rebellion
As we all know from the final Star Wars installment, "Return of the
Jedi," the rebellion is eventually successful. The Emperor is assassinated, Darth Vader abdicates his post and dies, the central governing apparatus of the Empire is destroyed in a spectacular space battle, and the rebels rejoice with their small, annoying Ewok friends. But what happens next? (There is a raft of literature on this point, but, as I said at the beginning, I'm going to ignore it because it doesn't speak to Lucas's original intent.)
In Episode IV, after Grand Moff Tarkin announces that the Imperial
Senate has been abolished, he's asked how the Emperor can possibly hope to keep control of the galaxy. "The regional governors now have direct control over territories," he says. "Fear will keep the local systems in line." So under Imperial rule, a large group of regional potentates, each with access to a sizable army and star destroyers, runs local affairs. These governors owe their fealty to the Emperor. And once the Emperor is dead, the galaxy will be plunged into chaos. In all of the time we spend observing the Rebel Alliance, we never hear of their governing strategy or their plans for a post-Imperial universe. All we see are plots and fighting. Their victory over the Empire doesn't liberate the galaxy--it turns the galaxy into Somalia writ large: dominated by local warlords who are answerable to no one. Which makes the rebels--Lucas's heroes--an unimpressive crew of anarchic royals who wreck the galaxy so that Princess Leia can have her tiara back.
I'll take the Empire.
 

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Biggest problem with I & II is that they weren't III. Sounds silly but it makes sense......

20 years after the first trilogy North Americans have become more and more AD (Attention Deficit). Everything in the world is faster paced. No longer do you get songs that are longer than 3 1/2 minutes or movies that go over 2 hours as the norm. Video games rather than sports or reading is what occupies kids time now. It's as if we are on a constant caffiene or sugar high.

What does this have to do with my first statement? Well, simply put, we could have cared less about Episodes I & II we just wanted to see the final war/battle that turned Anakin Skywalker into Darth Vader. I & II are plot builders but AD people don't care about all that we just want to get to the point of Episodes I, II, and III (the creation of Darth Vader).

I wasn't too impressed with Episode I other than the speeder race, space battle and light saber battle. Episode I was better as it got more into the darker relms and we started to see Anakin start to turn to the Dark Side (mentally). I guess I'm a bit of a victim of AD as well in this sense.
 

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Excellent treatise Maddog.

One question. How do we know what Darth Vader's definition of "order" is? For all we know that could mean his total control of the universe for only his own gain, an obsessive need for power or even worse, to wrest control of TERB from Fred?
 

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Re: Re: WTF Does That Have To Do With The Movie?

jimmy coldplay said:
That's not very nice. It's just a funny joke about the Republicans and the Star Wars characters. It's not directed at you. ??:(
Whatever Jimmy.
You have been attacking me viciously in the Election discussion (please keep all discussions confined to this thread pls) thread REPEATEDLY. Even after I posted my last post that I'm done with that thread you still went on and attacked me in my last post in hopes that I would respond back. And now you are acting all innocent like you have no clue as to why I am saying this?

Drop the political BS and move on, stop bringing the political BS into threads that have NOTHING to do with it. Incase you missed it the thread topic is about the trailer for Star Wars 3 NOT about Rep. or Dem. so enough is farking enough.




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Not too excited about the third installment.
The first two episodes were way too dissappointing.

I'm thinking the third will be the same though it could be a bit better because it will be darker.

I think there will be some great action and special effects but the plot will be so-so and the dialogue will be crap.

I think Hayden Christensen sucks as Anakin. They should have got an actor who looked tougher and not hired a Metrosexual. Might as well have got Ben Mulroney to play Anakin!!!!
 

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Re: Here you go ....

The_Ladies_Man said:
Here`s the link (it`s in QuickTime format). It`s working right now ... not sure how long it will function for. The link was provided to me by a fellow terbite, GoLeafsGo. Just giving credit where credit`s due. Enjoy the teaser everyone.

http://www.worldofepic.net/ep3.mov


There`s another thread for Episode 3 in the Movie/DVD Reviews section. Check it out:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68287
haha!! thanks for the credit, TLM. Didn`t I mention in that original thread that I should`ve posted it here in The Lounge? seems like people hardly wander into the Movies thread.

I`m looking forward to Episode III. Then again, we probably said that about episodes I and II. As it turned out, I couldn`t badmouth Episode II too much. Though I will agree that asking Lucas to write a love story is much like asking Barney the Dinosaur to write a porno (whatever that means)

But yeah, the trailer definitely looks good to me.
 
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