Stephen Lecce's 'slave auction' involvement pre-politics puts London, Ont., frat culture on display again

[Charlemagne]

Western University community members want PC candidate to do more in light of 2006 event

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6449259

Lecce was at Western when I was there. I don't remember seeing him, and I didn't hang around the douchey frat boys but I do know he was friendly with a very rich cokehead. The cokehead liked one of Lecce's Facebook "Anti-socialism" posts not too long ago. Ironically, the cokehead's roommate and buddy was a Calvinist from what I heard lol. (Cokehead's dad donated enough money for him to get his own room on my floor, when the other rich idiots decided to break into the Cafeteria and got kicked out).

 

[jcpro]

The only problem is the fact that Lecce apologized. He has nothing to apologize for- this was very common way of fund raising and had ZERO to do with anything else. Just another political hit job wrapped in the cloak of self righteousness. Idiotic. Next, they'll make Brian Ferry apologize for writing Slave to Love.

 

[Frankfooter]

The only problem is the fact that Lecce apologized. He has nothing to apologize for- this was very common way of fund raising and had ZERO to do with anything else. Just another political hit job wrapped in the cloak of self righteousness. Idiotic. Next, they'll make Brian Ferry apologize for writing Slave to Love.

Yes, exactly why you forgave Trudeau for his costume party appearances, isn't it?

 

[jcpro]

Yes, exactly why you forgave Trudeau for his costume party appearances, isn't it?

Yawn. Yeah, because those are the same. Get serious.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yawn. Yeah, because those are the same. Get serious.

You are nothing if not predictable.

 

[silentkisser]

Yawn. Yeah, because those are the same. Get serious.

I would say they were both idiotic and wrong. 2006 wasn't that long ago, and the idea of holding a slave auction even back then should have been appalling. Trudeau doing the black face is arguably worse, and he really, really, should have known better.

Though, with the Trudeau thing, I know a number of POC who didn't think it was a big deal (I did/do).

 

[jcpro]

I would say they were both idiotic and wrong. 2006 wasn't that long ago, and the idea of holding a slave auction even back then should have been appalling. Trudeau doing the black face is arguably worse, and he really, really, should have known better.

Though, with the Trudeau thing, I know a number of POC who didn't think it was a big deal (I did/do).

It wasn't wrong then it it shouldn't be wrong now in Canada because it has nothing to do with black, American slavery. In fact, slavery never even existed in CANADA- it was outlawed in the Empire some 30 years prior to Canada becoming a country. But, I'm a reasonable man and I recognize that some people are whistling morons who react without thinking, so perhaps we can change it to "serf auction".

 

[silentkisser]

It wasn't wrong then it it shouldn't be wrong now in Canada because it has nothing to do with black, American slavery. In fact, slavery never even existed in CANADA- it was outlawed in the Empire some 30 years prior to Canada becoming a country. But, I'm a reasonable man and I recognize that some people are whistling morons who react without thinking, so perhaps we can change it to "serf auction".

Wait...you don't think there was slavery in Canada??? Hate to burst your bubble, but our hands (as a nation) are not clean on that regard. Most of our slaves were captured First Nations, though there were some blacks. Now, obviously we didn't have the same scale of chattel slavery as the US south, but we sure as fuck had it here...

Slavery in Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Man, we really need to do a better job teaching our history, even the unpleasant parts.

 

[jcpro]

Wait...you don't think there was slavery in Canada??? Hate to burst your bubble, but our hands (as a nation) are not clean on that regard. Most of our slaves were captured First Nations, though there were some blacks. Now, obviously we didn't have the same scale of chattel slavery as the US south, but we sure as fuck had it here...

Slavery in Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Man, we really need to do a better job teaching our history, even the unpleasant parts.

You should read your own link.

 

[K Douglas]

Why is this even a story?

 

[jcpro]

Why is this even a story?

It's an election campaign.

 

[Fun For All]

Why is this even a story?

Yes...I live in London...no one cares...have yet to hear anybody talk about it.

 

[Dutch Oven]

You should read your own link.

Well, he's right that some first nations people were enslaved in Canada. He just neglected to mention that they were enslaved by other first nations groups!

What I think is interesting is that there's been no consideration by the media so far that this was a FRATERNITY fund raiser. Frats follow GREEK traditions. So why wasn't the slavery that was being referenced by the fundraiser in relation to slavery practiced by the ancient Greeks, which had absolutely nothing to do with slavery in North America, and was in no way restricted to people of colour?

If you go back far enough, you can find slavery in almost every culture and find slaves of all backgrounds.

Talk about much ado about nothing. Maybe we need 2 black history months, because just one doesn't seem to be helping.

 

[jcpro]

Well, he's right that some first nations people were enslaved in Canada. He just neglected to mention that they were enslaved by other first nations groups!

What I think is interesting is that there's been no consideration by the media so far that this was a FRATERNITY fund raiser. Frats follow GREEK traditions. So why wasn't the slavery that was being referenced by the fundraiser in relation to slavery practiced by the ancient Greeks, which had absolutely nothing to do with slavery in North America, and was in no way restricted to people of colour?

If you go back far enough, you can find slavery in almost every culture and find slaves of all backgrounds.

Talk about much ado about nothing. Maybe we need 2 black history months, because just one doesn't seem to be helping.

This, being Canada, causes everything to be interpreted through the American narrative, even our history and culture. Instead of being proud of the British abolitionism, the stance John Graves Simcoe took on slavery when he was establishing the Upper Canada, we are suppose to feel shame of the injustices committed in America and their resistance to the abolitionism. Well, not I!! I had nothing to do with it nor any of my ancestors nor the vast, vast majority of Canadians. Those students were raising money for charity with the best of intentions without guile, cultural or racial mockery. Those kind of accusations say more about the accusers than anything else- morons and ignoramai.

 

[Charlemagne]

I would say they were both idiotic and wrong. 2006 wasn't that long ago, and the idea of holding a slave auction even back then should have been appalling. Trudeau doing the black face is arguably worse, and he really, really, should have known better.

Though, with the Trudeau thing, I know a number of POC who didn't think it was a big deal (I did/do).

Slave auctions are WAY worse than blackface.

Wearing blackface wasn't that uncommon at one point. Obviously it was gross. A bunch of Jewish kids who were at Western during the same time as Lecce and me, dressed up as The Jamaican Bobsled Team, and painted their faces black. Nobody said anything, they even posted the pics on Facebook and got lots of likes.

 

[Charlemagne]

Yawn. Yeah, because those are the same. Get serious.

It's okay when YOU do it!

 

[Butler1000]

Slave auctions are WAY worse than blackface.

Wearing blackface wasn't that uncommon at one point. Obviously it was gross. A bunch of Jewish kids who were at Western during the same time as Lecce and me, dressed up as The Jamaican Bobsled Team, and painted their faces black. Nobody said anything, they even posted the pics on Facebook and got lots of likes.

Dude. Its not like they dressed them in chains and blackface/loincloths to have them sent out the fields.
It was the good looking, wealthier kids being paraded in front of chicks and "sold" off as dates for them. Guys would be good natured and treat em nice. Girls have an excuse to take their shot with a guy they are hot for. And not get turned down right away. With all money going to charity.

At best its mildly sexist, but there are zero racial connections.

And the unis are filled with shit. Engineers are sexist as fuck. The frats and sororities are classist and nepotistic. The culture is changing. But to blame Lecce for what was probably a mandatory participation in a charity event is just plain stupid.

 

[silentkisser]

You should read your own link.

I did. Did you? Because you apparently missed this section:

The historian Marcel Trudel estimates that there were fewer than 4,200 slaves in the area of Canada (New France) and later The Canadas between 1671 and 1831.[13]Around two-thirds of these slaves were of indigenous ancestry (2,700 typically called panis, from the French term for Pawnee)[14] and one third were of African descent (1,443).[13] They were house servants and farm workers.[15] The number of Black slaves increased during British rule, especially with the arrival of United Empire Loyalistsafter 1783.[16] The Maritimes saw 1,200 to 2,000 slaves arrive prior to abolition, with 300 accounted for in Lower Canada, and between 500 and 700 in Upper Canada.[15]A small portion of Black Canadians today are descended from these slaves.[17]

People of African descent were forcibly captured by local chiefs as chattel slaves and sold to traders bound for southern areas of the Americas. Those in what is now called Canada typically came from the American colonies, as no shiploads of human chattel went to Canada directly from Africa.[18] There were no large plantations in Canada, and therefore no demand for a large slave work force of the sort that existed in most European colonies in the Americas.[18] Nevertheless, slaves in Canada were subjected to the same physical, psychological, and sexual violence and punishments as their American counterparts.[19]

Here you can see that there were under 4,200 slaves in what became Canada. 2/3 were First Nations, 1/3 African.

So, just to spell it out for you, again, Canada did have slaves. They were treated just as badly as the southern States. They were obviously not on the same scale of slavery, but it happened. There was also indentured servitude in the Canadian colonies for a period.

 

[jcpro]

It's okay when YOU do it!

Well, since I've never even dreamt about painting my face black and stuffing a banana down my pants(don't have to), I guess that makes me a better man.

 

[jcpro]

I did. Did you? Because you apparently missed this section:



Here you can see that there were under 4,200 slaves in what became Canada. 2/3 were First Nations, 1/3 African.

So, just to spell it out for you, again, Canada did have slaves. They were treated just as badly as the southern States. They were obviously not on the same scale of slavery, but it happened. There was also indentured servitude in the Canadian colonies for a period.

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