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Bud Plug

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I had an eerie, but also a thought provoking experience last night. I'm driving up the DVP, right after having enjoyed the services of an SP, listening to MOJO. On comes a talk show about whether to legalize prostitution. The host says "How many of you are on your way home right now, maybe driving along the 401 or DVP, to be with your wife or girlfriend, and have recently used the services of a prostitute?" The coincidence (I'm assuming MOJO didn't have me on a spy-cam) really spooked me!!

Naturally, my first question is whether any other Terbites were listening to the same show and were caught up in the same coincidence, or even called into the show!

Beyond that, the host put forth the propositions that: 1) the use of prostitutes is increasing, 2) married/attached men use prostitutes in much greater numbers than single men, 3) in the vast majority of cases, the activity is never discovered by the wives/girlfriend, 4) men who do so are more likely, rather than less likely to remain in their current marriage/relationship as a result of satifying their curiosity/need for variety in this way (as opposed to extra-marital affairs/cheating), and 4) there is little evidence that use of prostitutes contributes to the spread of sexual diseases to a greater degree than ordinary casual sex (although both clearly do contribute). What the host was proposing was that not only should prostitution be legal, people should change their thinking about it or "de-stigmatize" it. Its clear that many women do not want to perform oral, greek or other "non-vanilla" forms of sex without being paid. It's also clear that men will accept a wive's/girlfriend's position on this without feeling the need to reject her and are prepared to pay prostitutes for these activities.

Most callers were men who admitted to using pros, but all claimed they used them infrequently (3-4 times a year). I thought they were underplaying their frequency, or weren't counting visits to MP's. After all, I have my own experience and the postings of others on this board to compare to (I think 1-2 times per month is more like the average)! One woman called in while I was listening to say she was horrified by what she was hearing and could only continue to date men on the basis that there must be some men who would never consider using a pro. Like most women, her issue seemed (while clothed in the guise of health concerns to a degree) to be about loyalty. Personally, I find that angle to be baffling. Using a prostitute for experiences your gf/wife won't/can't provide has nothing to do with disloyalty. Leaving your wife for another woman, now that's disloyalty! Spending extensive time with your lover/mistress instead of with your wife and kids, that's disloyalty! Yet, because affairs involve some emotional attachment, strangely most women seem to think these are preferable to the use of prostitutes.

So I'm interested in the views of fellow Terbites:

1. Does the use of prostitutes/MPs/dancers undermine committed relationships with women?
2. Should there be any stigma, considering how widely pros are used, to using a pro/mpa/dancer?
3. Are women out to lunch with their attitude "If I'm not into it, you ain't gettin' it. If you want it so bad, you can't have me (and getting rid of me, if married, is going to be unbelievably expensive)."
 

Bud Plug

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Obviously, I'm the only one who found this thought provoking. Nearly a hundred views and no replies.
 

luckyjackson

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Perhaps the dearth of responses is an indication of the number of guys who were in their cars, with their wives, at the time. ;)

I'm embarrassed to admit that I do listen to MOJO radio once in a while - and usually regret it. I didn't catch the program you're referring to, but wish I had.

In answer to the questions you posed,

1. Does the use of prostitutes/MPs/dancers undermine committed relationships with women?

Except for in a few rare cases, yes I think it does. And yes of course it's being disloyal. Anything you hide from your wife that you know would matter to her is a breach of trust. I'm not judging, because I think of myself as one of the worst offenders. But, when you marry someone you are entering into a monogamous relationship that's hopefully based on honesty. Unless you are one of the lucky few who have the wife's blessing for this kind of thing - you're a schmuck like the rest of us cheats.


2. Should there be any stigma, considering how widely pros are used, to using a pro/mpa/dancer?

Here I think we'll agree. No there should be no stigma. Chances of it disappearing? Z E R O !!!! Human beings are WAY too hypocritical for this to come to pass anytime soon. Still, we've made a lot of progess when you consider what mores and values were like as recently as the fifties, so there's hope.


3. Are women out to lunch with their attitude "If I'm not into it, you ain't gettin' it. If you want it so bad, you can't have me (and getting rid of me, if married, is going to be unbelievably expensive)."

Gee, it's hard to respond to this one as you've asked it because a simple 'yes' or 'no' would tar the whole female gender with the same brush. Let's put it this way, if you marry a woman who was never into the kinds of sexual activities you like and want - then it's your fault too. Why would expect that AFTER she had the ring on she would turn into an adventurous sex kitten if she never was before? On the other hand, if she stopped performing the sex acts you like AFTER the ring went on, then the situation might be a little more complicated, and I admit that a possible answer is that she's cynically chosen to stop putting out because she no longer has to. I don't think that happens as much as men say it does though. I think that when behaviour between married couples deteriorates, the causes are never one-sided and rarely simple. There are too many reasons that the 'spark goes out' to get into here, but I think you catch my meaning.

At any rate, I wish their was more public discussion of these issues. It turns my stomach to hear most so called 'experts' comment on the prostitution, MP or SC scene. The commentators usually have an axe to grind and present a wildly inaccurate picture of those respective scenes - always focussing on the negative extremes - and rarely considering that the very negativity they complain about is often a direct result of society's hypocritical stance towards the biz.
 

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I'm surprised at the lack of responses on such an unbelievably captivating thread. I have not been a frequent listener of MoJo radio radio since the 911 Tragedy occurred. My lack of tuning in was a result of the extremities in which they discussed tragic issues involving the 911 attack with such dry humor and uneducated ignorant analogies of why what occurred did in fact occur. However this particular on air discussion does strike an interest in my helmet.

Toronto's failed bid for the olympics was a disappointment. And one of the many voiced reasons for the despair was largely involved with the money the city could generate from tourists. See, that has always been my problem with the short term thinking of the Canadian Government. They never seem to elevate and glorify what they already have. For instance, American hobbyists hold the great North in such high regard as an open market for safe, hassle free engagements with escorts. Not only is that documented on TERB often but its a known fact that I have discussed first hand while in the States socializing with fellow colleagues, friends and acquaintances.

I admire particular countries in Western Europe for their laws leniency towards such issues. And look at the amount of steady tourists some of those countries accumulate over short periods of time and during non travel seasons because people thirst to live that way for short stints of time.

In Canada, if they taxed agencies and indies by making everyone register their businesses and they monitored the claims of income and assets (purchase/payments)in an attempt to enforce it, plus crack down on the streets for street prostitutes, it would be a great way for the government to start profiting from something that could help a technologically/automobile/every day necessity weak product producing and exporting country like Canada build some dollar strength on an International level. Why not do it? It will happen anyways. I mean with outcalls being legal they could also crack down on in calls. Which would lower rates in many motels/hotels to meet the demand of both tourists and citizens of Canada. Also adding to the economy and potential entrepreneurial business ventures.

Just my contribution to a brilliant thread that deserves more feedback.
 

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reading this thread

I can think of two reasons no-one replied to this thread earlier - both apply to me.

1. Some people have a hard time beginning a conversation or comment and addressing another person as Bud-Plug. I mean, is it Mr. Bud-Plug? Mr. Plug? Bud? Awkward. ;)

2. For me, quite frankly, your views and thoughts were so bang-on that no further comment was required, and it seemed unnecessarily patronizing to post just to affirm what you said, especially about cheating.
 

james t kirk

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Bud Plug said:


So I'm interested in the views of fellow Terbites:

1. Does the use of prostitutes/MPs/dancers undermine committed relationships with women?
2. Should there be any stigma, considering how widely pros are used, to using a pro/mpa/dancer?
3. Are women out to lunch with their attitude "If I'm not into it, you ain't gettin' it. If you want it so bad, you can't have me (and getting rid of me, if married, is going to be unbelievably expensive)."
1. Maybe, or should i say, it depends. When i was in a so called committed relationship, I used SC, and MP's faaaarrrrrr more than I do now that I am single. For every time i go to an MP now, i bet I went 10 times when i was attached. SP's, used them too when I was attached, though very infrequently. By far my hobby of choice was the MP. Since I have been single, I am hard pressed to recall the last SP I visited, if at all.

Maybe my energy is now spent seeking out dating partners, i dunno.

Did my use of pros undermine my relationship????

I would have to say NO. It undermined itself and exploded for reasons not relating to use of the sex industry.

A big part of the reason I liked MP's et al, is I love the thrill of a new body, the different woman. I am an addict in that respect perhaps.

Nothing beats the thrill of a woman laying in bed with her bra and panties on. You reach inside the waist band of her panties and slide them past her bum while she arches her ass off the bed to help out. You look down and you see heaven. You just can't help but to immediately lover your mouth onto her pussy and take it all in.

That's why i cheated. It's my weakness. I am a lover of women. As miserable as they can be, I can't help myself. That's why i totally sympathize with a guy like Clinton. He's one of use. Nature has hard wired me and I can't change it if i wanted to.

That's what makes us men. Pussy, and how we adore it, worship it. We crave it and seek it. We kiss it, lick it, suck it, and fuck it. We as men need to feel her tits pressed into us, we reach down while we are inside her, slip a finger up her ass and shove our tongues down her throat and pound her with EVERYTHING we have till we bleed.

Some women understand this. Many do not. But I bet every guy on this board does.

2. Should there be any stigma, considering how widely pros are used, to using a pro/mpa/dancer?

Should is a tricky word now isn't it. There shouldn't be stigma regarding a lot of things in life, but there is plenty.

In my life, it may ease up a bit, but it will never vanish.

3. Are women out to lunch with their attitude "If I'm not into it, you ain't gettin' it. If you want it so bad, you can't have me (and getting rid of me, if married, is going to be unbelievably expensive)"

Well, you should have known this before you married her now shouldn't you. If she didn't like giving head when you were dating, she's not going to start liking it when you are married.

My advice on this issue is my own rule of thumb. If she doesn't LOVE giving head, dump her. That's right up there with being a non-smoker in my eyes.

Wanted...

1 single white female, aged 25 to 35 for committed relationship. Must be slim to average build, intelligent, fun to be with, non smoker and loves to suck cock. Better yet, loves facials too.

:)
 
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Since Kirk's response seems to have been lost in the ether, let me step into the fray.

1. If you are a fully-formed human being, capable of feelings for others, it will undermine a committed relationship. You see the
service provider under controlled ideal conditions, she gives you what you want, and most likely she is WAY better looking than your committed relationship partner. This may affect the way you see your "life partner". If you are able to view women purely as tools for your personal pleasure, your committed realtionship, if any, is probably not that solid anyway.

2. Stigma? It's not like you have to "come out of the closet".
If you are caught, it will be embarassing. Men accept it, but women never will. Wives always know anyways, even if they don't confront you. They don't wan't you to tell them though.
I think they are more comfortable with their guy going to a SC or MP than having an "affair". Escorts carry a health consideration. Canada could legalize it, but it won't remove the stigma, just make it more available to men.

3. If you just have to have Greek, golden showers or whatever,
and your wife doesn't want to provide it, then go to an escort.
Only you know what it's worth to you. I don't think you should force your sexual preferences on anyone, doesn't work anyway.

What does "out to lunch" mean in this context? If you want a sex slave, hire one. Getting a divorce so can indulge your sexual
desires seems ridiculous to me. If you are otherwise not happy
in your marriage, be honest and get out of it.

:)
 

Bud Plug

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Thanks for the feedback - Some observations

Thanks for your responses. This board can offer a bit of a "reality check" sometimes. It's always comforting to hear that intelligent people have examined the same issues. I'd like to respond to a few of your points.

Luckjackson - I agree that using a pro is being "disloyal" in terms of the promises made in getting married. I guess my real question is whether that sort of disloyalty will necessarily "undo" a marriage or committed relationship, from the man's point of view. My experiences have not made me question whether I want to stay married or caused me to resent my wife for her "short-comings' (in my eyes). In fact, I actually think that my experiences have allowed me to avoid pressuring my wife into becoming someone, or doing things that are not "her". Sex is just one part of marriage, and I couldn't have found someone better for me as an "overall package". As to your "before/after" point, I think alot of guys either: 1) don't even discover what all their own "wants" are until after marriage, or 2) don't expect their wives to explore everything with them until after marriage (to take this logic to the extreme, no-one would ask a 16 year old virgin for anal sex as her first sex act). The younger you get married, the more reasonable it is that you wouldn't know the exact limits of your wife's sexual boundaries/personality before marriage.

Stickshifter - Satire is a tricky thing to express clearly on these Boards. It would be easy to read your post in this way. Just to avoid confusion about the implication of your post, I was not looking to mount a soapbox. That's not my style (check my posting history). Just looking for a little reality check, that's all.

Prodigal - I actually thought there might be divergent views on this issue. I'd be surprised that the reason for so few replies is that everyone agreed with the views I expressed. Oh, and Pluggy or BP are just fine!

James T - It actually sounds like we agree on most things. On the "should" point, I recognize that there is a stigma, despite the widespread use of pros, but I'm wondering what "good" the stigma does. Usually, attaching a stigma to something discourages people from getting involved in the activity. I'm not sure that the stigma attached to using pros is accomplishing this.

Wollensak - I have to say that I totally disagree that SPs/MPs/Dancers are "way better looking" than the women I've been involved with, or women that are "out there" in general. In fact, and I'm trying to be as objective as I can, I would say that in my own case the opposite is true (although I am only moderately attractive myself, demonstrating that women usually do not rate physical appearance all that highly when it comes to selecting men). I can honestly say that my hobbying is not a quest for beauty. It has everything to do with having a variety of experiences. I have had a number of attractive women approach me with a view to having an affair. However, I find those relationships inevitably lead to the same "place" my marriage is, with the same demands and the same compromises. As a result, I continue to find SPs/MPs/dancers appealing.

Thanks for your thoughts. Any more to say?
 
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