Tattoos and Amateur Online Porn...

[Vancouver Femme Fatale]

So...I remember when folks thought getting tattoos would be something you'd totally regret in the future...and now so many people have them, nobody really cares. My question is this; do you think the same thing will happen with online amateur porn? In other words, in ten years, will nobody really care if your nekkid gettin' it on action is available online? How mainstream do you think all this exhibitionism and voyeurism will go?

Why do I ask? Guess...I already have tattoos...and now I have cameras

 

[tboy]

It is actually a really good question because if a hollywood type needs a career boost, all of a sudden a homemade sex vid appears on the net and so far, it hasn't hurt any of their careers.

As for all these webcam shows. I think once all the women from these shows, all the girls gone wild flashing chicks mature, this too might be less frowned upon. It might become "oh, you did one of those too, no biggie" type things.

I would compare it to the kinsey studies: Back in old prudish days everyone was all prim and proper and there was no open mouth kissing on tv or the movies. Everyone was doing it missionary style and had twin beds. After his report he found that everyone was doing everything imaginable (and some things UNimaginable) yet outwardly appeared straightlaced. These days everything is "out there" via the net and media so eventually things won't be so taboo.

Look at homosexuality for example. It wasn't too long ago that gay men and women were severely prejudiced against and now we have public parades celebrating their lifestyle.

 

[Tick]

I'd guess it all depends on how you intend to live your life AFTER you've gone through your crazy stage.

There's this one ameteur vid that comes to mind I've seen. This girl, a teen of questionable age, is blowing her boyfriend of equally questionable age. There's a third party running the camera, and three friends, two male, one female who are watching the whole event and making comments from a couch to the right.

Now, if any of the five teens who appear in this video go on to be nobody of consequence, just average joes, this video will fade into the ether and no one will care in 10-20 years.

But what happens if one of them runs for public office, or becomes a large enough figure in some field that this form of notoriety is an issue?

How much of a scandal would it be to suddenly unearth an old 8MM of Arak Obama (spelling?) at 19 railing some chick at a college party?

The sex trade is huge.. when you count SP's, MPA's and Exotic Dancers, there's a LOT of women who have done a job like these at one point or another. Most go on to be mom's, wives, etc. and no one is the wiser. I just think making the choice to publicly exploit your sexual practices for profit or merely entertainment could have the immediate effect of shutting off the rest of your life from certain pursuits.

Mary Carey ran for public office as a joke, a publicity stunt. There have been women who I have seen who have worked porn who quite possibly could be smart and savvy enough to be in public office. (Lord knows it doesn't take a whole lot of smarts) Regardless, they will always be the girl who appeared in "Air Tight and Outta Sight 14"

The same goes for guys in Porn. I'd never vote for Ron Jeremy for anything.

 

[YellowDog]

The internet has really opened it up as far as porn and nudity in public. I find it amazing just how many people will post naked pictures of themself on the internet. I said to one girl I met that I was certain that there were nude pictures of everyone in the world on the internet, and she said - well there are of me - and she told me how to access them.

 

[Edifice]

Care to share with us where you accessed them since it's public domain.

 

[WhaWhaWha]

The simple answer is you won't all be remembered as well as Betty Page. Some of you won't even be remembered as well as Ron Jeremy.

 

[tboy]

Ron Jeremy is a perfect example. Even though he is loved and admired by many (many mainstream too) he will never make it in the big leagues because of his past.

There was a special on discover (I think) about him and there were comments made that the major studios won't touch him with a 10 foot pole (not HIS pole mind you lol) because of his past. He has appeared in some cameo roles and supposedly does have some acting ability so he could make it as a B actor.

As for the example given (of the couch commentators) never mind if any one of them ever tries for public office, how about a corporate position? Can you imagine finally getting to the VP position and then someone unearths this gem and flashes it around the office?

Then again (no offence VFF cuz you're not in the same league) but I highly doubt anyone who would allow something trashy like this to occur has any thoughts of ever doing anything important with their lives.

Take Paris Hilton. Do you think she'd be able to hold down any sort of job if her parents weren't filthy rich? If she was a nobody from Buttfuck Iowa she'd just be another tramp with a crappy sex video....

 

[rgkv]

and I still think people DO CARE later on if they have tattoo's especially women, I understand the fad is dying already, on the girls I here they call them tramp stamps or Texas licence plates, they do interfere in corporate positions and the ole mother-in-law probaly blinks a few times, the day comes when attending a formal event in a beautiful dress, nice strapless, sleaveless, you look like an angel EXCEPT for that stupid tattoo. I agree that porn hopefully doesn't become socially accepted, whats next!!!!

 

[Draco_Tempus]

I have alot ofink and have laid ink on alot of my friends, it is somewhat socially acceptable but there are cases when men and women go to far with it and get areas done that look rashy. A woman can get some classic ink in a few choice spots and its still hot. Amatuer porn is different cause in some cases, not alot the peeps who make it are somewhat harsh on the eyes and do nothing to "move" me. I don't take alot of interest in it but I have friends that do and frankly I don't get the appeal.

 

[its_so_relaxing]

I think it's a double standard... internet porn (and porn in general) is definately more mainstream, but people still don't like to advertise their participation (either producing or consuming) in mainstream society. I guess you have to weigh the pros and cons... if you plan on working in a more relaxed industry after you retire from the biz, like retail, music, whatever.. then I guess anything goes. But if you plan on pursuing a career in government or the stuffy corporate world, I'd play it safe ... just assume anything you produce is going to be beamed into homes all across the world and decide how you feel about that. I hate to say it, but if my co-workers found out our (really hot, female) director was formerly in the porn industry, i promise whatever material people could get their grubby hands on would be circulating around the office faster than Britney Spears runs away from rehab.

Tattoos are another story though, Id say they're becoming way more accepted in the workplace. One of the managers in our dept thats well respected and in his early 40s has full sleeves.

 

[Vancouver Femme Fatale]

I'm so glad this thread picked up! To explain my circumstances a little better, I was brought up in a very politically-oriented family. Somebody was, and is, always running for, or in office at some level, and now into the second generation. I am estranged from my family - have been for many years and have no intention of ever changing that - and so have both a distaste for official politics and an amazing amount of freedom to be what I want to be with little repercussion.

I felt for some time, and still do a little, that I owed the sex industry some public presence; so many of us do not have that kind of freedom to be out there without severe personal and financial penalties. To that end, last summer, I was asked to join a board of directors of a reasonably prominent local sex-workers activist group, and also participated in a documentary about inside sexworkers (as opposed to the ladies who work outside) which is yet to be filmed.

I found that I am not cut out to work as part of a group. The process is very slow, and I just don't have that kind of mind-set. There are people much, much better at getting things done that way, and I leave that to those good folks. If the documentary ever gets off the ground, I will still participate, and will appear on camera, because that will represent my take on the issues at this particular time. Last I heard, it had been pre-sold to one of the big three local TV stations in my city, so I most definitely will be seen by people I will run into.

In a city like Vancouver where 65 - and we all know that's a low estimate - women died, and more continue to be raped, maimed and killed because of the very same soliciting laws that keep me safe in luxury hotels only blocks away, I feel I have to represent, that I have to step up as your neighbour, as that girl at the corner store, as that girl you see at the dog park, as that girl you took classes at UBC with, somebody who matters just like anybody else. We may work at different ends of the sexwork spectrum, but if I matter, so do they, and these laws are killing them.

What does that have to do with online amateur porn? Not so much, but it maybe gives a better idea of the context in which I pose the question. It does show how complex the issue is. Mainstreaming all kinds of sexual activity may make it safer for all. Maybe not. I guess we'll all have to just see how it all plays out.

I'm still thinking that with the Internet being such a massive and pervasive avenue for changing perception and questioning established 'truths' that we may see sexuality being seen as less threatening and more simply part of what we are, and that it variations will become more acceptable in our society. I will bet that fetishes involving age-appropriate and consenting adults that were once seen as extreme will be seen as only variations on a theme in 10 to 15 years. I'm thinking online exhibition may well be one of those.

It's going to be a wild ride, but one I hope will be largely very positive. I think I will go ahead at some point and do a little video, but will limit it to private downloading off my private domains. I will, of course do that with the full expectation that anyone I meet may have already, or will see my naked ass in the future. I think not realizing that is foolish in the extreme. My situation is such that I feel I can live with that; I intend to transition out of sexwork into writing, and generally, the creative fields, even now, are more accepting of such things.

I love the responses this thread has been getting so far, and would like to see more folks weigh in

 

[Eli]

The amount of women doing professional porn these days I find staggering, rarely you see the same face more than once. Add to that amatuer porn and all those gals stripping for the camera and it's mind boggling the amount of women getting down for the camera. There has to be some allure beyond the money. It seems young women more than ever want to be viewed as sexy and desired as oppose to developing themselves as a person and being respected for their mind.

Maybe it's getting to be that much harder to get by these days and falling back on your looks is so much easier than working towards being a bank manager or somethin.

 

[Vancouver Femme Fatale]

It seems young women more than ever want to be viewed as sexy and desired as oppose to developing themselves as a person and being respected for their mind.

Or maybe they're looking to be respected for both in the future. Not saying it'll work, but who knows? New moves are always risky.

 

[Aardvark154]

So...I remember when folks thought getting tattoos would be something you'd totally regret in the future...

First, I believe you're mistaken about tattoos being so publicly acceptable - unless perhaps you're a sailor (enlisted through commissioned) or a retired sailor. Second, I'm sorry you're so estranged from your family, you may have reached an accommodation and accept it, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that on a deep level you aren't bothered by it - that however, is your business and not mine, however I’m still sorry.

 

[Vancouver Femme Fatale]

First, I believe you're mistaken about tattoos being so publicly acceptable - unless perhaps you're a sailor (enlisted through commissioned) or a retired sailor.

Maybe it's more of a West Coast, or specifically Vancouver thing, but as of the moment, with anybody I meet under about age 45, being tattooed is the default. But you're probably correct, given that's a pretty small sample.

Second, I'm sorry you're so estranged from your family, you may have reached an accommodation and accept it, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that on a deep level you aren't bothered by it - that however, is your business and not mine, however I’m still sorry.

Oh sure, I'm bothered by it, but there are many, many things in this world I'm bothered by that are not going to change. You just have to learn to deal with it and get on with the short time you have on this Earth. Can't let it cripple you.

 

[spatial_k]

The amount of women doing professional porn these days I find staggering, rarely you see the same face more than once. Add to that amatuer porn and all those gals stripping for the camera and it's mind boggling the amount of women getting down for the camera. There has to be some allure beyond the money. It seems young women more than ever want to be viewed as sexy and desired as oppose to developing themselves as a person and being respected for their mind.

Maybe it's getting to be that much harder to get by these days and falling back on your looks is so much easier than working towards being a bank manager or somethin.

We're so keen on giving people number ratings and acting as if that shit matters that it's no wonder. So maybe it is easier to get by on your looks, but that's so because of more than just laziness- it's because others are willing to reward people for no more than looks.

 

[raven@mirage]

Nope its a new fashion ... Ask Coral Cox she is well in her 40 and still doing porn.

 

[Vancouver Femme Fatale]

We're so keen on giving people number ratings and acting as if that shit matters that it's no wonder. So maybe it is easier to get by on your looks, but that's so because of more than just laziness- it's because others are willing to reward people for no more than looks.

Pretty much. If they're buying, why not sell it? Oldest rule in show biz; give the people what they want. Worked for those degenerate Beatles, and look at Sir Paul now. Or maybe not...that man has his own sex/money issues these days...

People bitching about the moral world coming to an end has been going on for a long, long time. Still, the money doesn't get less green, no matter, no how.

Personally, I think it was Barely Legal Bronto Porn that killed the dinosaurs.

 

[ed_v]

My question is this; do you think the same thing will happen with online amateur porn? In other words, in ten years, will nobody really care if your nekkid gettin' it on action is available online? How mainstream do you think all this exhibitionism and voyeurism will go?

When I see all the amateur porn on YouTube and XXXUploads, etc, I can't help but wonder what is going through their minds when people upload their own sexual adventures for public consumption. What are we to make of this? Is this an indication of a society that is rapidly losing morality? Has the western world become so debauched that sex is now considered a public event?

My opinion is no. This is just another form of self expression that happens to build on loosening standards and takes advantage of the technology of our present time. Every generation had their scandal that pushed acceptable limits of the day. What we're seeing today is no different, but the flames have been fanned by internet technology. And since you can't stuff the genie back in the bottle, this will only continue.

My guess is that in ten years from now the next form of self expression will be well on its way and may or may not involve online exhibitionism and voyeurism. The level of interest will probably fizzle out because it will no longer be new and exciting. I can't help but think of Madonna, who made all kinds of front page news when she strutted her stuff wearing lingerie on top of her clothes instead of underneath. This started a huge trend and caused quite a shift in what people would/could wear in public. Now it's no big deal and is in fact passé.

 

[train]

Personally, I think it was Barely Legal Bronto Porn that killed the dinosaurs.

Na....... it was T-Rex Gone Wild