The Aussies have the right idea.

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Found the following article.

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on
Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted
Radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister
John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists
Would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir
Apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked
To leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular
State, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your
Values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic
State, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
Governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another
The Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary
Law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law
And have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices
It, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave,
He said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move
To the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told
Reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values
Should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians,
And who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them,
Well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday
By saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It
Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are
Offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on
Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that
Our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor
Do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming
To Australia ." "However, there are a few things that those who have
Recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to
Understand." "This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has
Served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as
Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language
And our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
And victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
Become part of our society ... Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing,
Political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian
Principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is
Certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
Offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as
Your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is
That you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you
Should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are
Happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't
Care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your
Culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will
Allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
Complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian
Beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one
Other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here.
You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American and Canadian
Citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and
Voting the same truths!!
 

Big Sleazy

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Exactly. I'm sick and tired of our spineless politicians that won't stand up for this country. We are Governed by the Laws of this LAND. You have the right to practice and express your religion. Whether your Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Seik etc... Keep it in your churches, mosques, home, and in your heart and soul if you wish. Practice it everyday if you want. This is your right. But DO NOT attempt to influence Governance in this Country.

BS

Zealots go home...the rest of you, follow me...
 

Bobzilla

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Wow...the Aussie PM is my new hero....

If only that could happen in Canada...
 

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Big Sleazy said:
Exactly. I'm sick and tired of our spineless politicians that won't stand up for this country. We are Governed by the Laws of this LAND. You have the right to practice and express your religion. Whether your Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Seik etc... Keep it in your churches, mosques, home, and in your heart and soul if you wish. Practice it everyday if you want. This is your right. But DO NOT attempt to influence Governance in this Country.

BS

Zealots go home...the rest of you, follow me...

Exactly that's why we have a separation of Church and state so everyone can be treated the same under the law.
 

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I, for one am non-denominational and follow the scriptures of no god. But I was born into this country and I respect the laws that govern her. Australia is looking better and better every minute.
 

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In exile from Madisen!
Finally....someone telling it like it is. Welcome to our home, stay as long as you like, but don't re-decorate it or otherwise fuck it up. Carry on.
 

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time for the Muslims to GROW UP!

Here is an archived piece by Stephen Pizzo from his site newsforreal.com. Sorry for the long post but there's no longer a neat direct link:

Reforming"
the Middle East



Let's stop kidding ourselves. With the exception of Israel there isn't a single nation in the Middle East with the social/political maturity required to play in mankind's major league. The major league being, of course, the nations on earth which, to one extent or another, used the last thousand years to change, mature and develop.

Political correctness has led us into a deadly trap. Perpetrating the fiction that backward Arab Islamic cultures are ready to embrace modern democratic systems of governance has gotten at least 3000 American soldiers, and tens of thousands of Afghan and Iraqis killed over the last three years. And for what? We have nothing to show for it. Nothing but coffins.

And now we have new fighting between Israel, Hamas and Hezbollah. Evidence that the West's approach to radical Islam is not only not working, but actually counter productive, abounds. The impotence of so-called moderate Arab states, Egypt and Jordan, in the face of the current crisis is a clue. The aiding and abetting by Iran and Syria of Islamo-fascist Hezbollah is another clue. Iran's stubborn refusal to stop it's march towards a nuclear bomb in the face of world condemnation, is another clue. Shiites murdering Sunnis and Sunnis murdering Shiites in Iraq, is another clue. And not just murdering them. That's not enough for these throwbacks. First they use an electric drill to drill holes through their hands which they then bolt together. Then they kill them.

When democracy is tried by one of these Arab countries, what do they do with it? They elect radical Islamo-fascists whose first actions are to subordinate civil law to fundamentalist Sharia rule. Women's rights? Forget about it. Back into your berka, bitch!


The West needs to take a timeout and completely rethink it's approach to what's become an out of control Muslim fundamentalist wildfire. Attempts to lure, cajole or drag these 12th century populations into the 21st century has only made matters worse.

The uncomfortable, politically incorrect fact is they are not able, they are not willing and they are not ready. Despite what George W. may think, democracy is not a state of nature but a state of mind. Arab nations are not there yet. Not even close.

But they are armed and dangerous. The social/political religious retardation of Arab nations poses a greater threat to the West than the Soviets ever did. The Soviets saw war with the West as something to be avoided. Fundamentalist Islam sees war with “infidels” of the West as not only inevitable, but the will of God.

The president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is a (nut)case in point. It's as if you woke up this morning to discovered that Rev. Jerry Falwell had been elected President of the United States and David Duke Vice President. Ahmadinejad is both ... a fundamentalist's fundamentalist and a rabid anti-semite.

You simply can't “deal” with such people. And, believe me, they have no interest in “dealing” with us either.

Forget about “bringing democracy to the Middle East.” What the Arab nations need more than lessons in democracy is a good dope slap from the rest of the world. They need to be sent to their rooms until it they can learn to behave – no biting, no scratching, no hitting, no name calling and learn to share.

Stop with the “Islam is a peaceful religion,” nonsense too. The Amish are a peaceful religion. The Quakers are a peaceful religion. Fundamentalist Islam is provably not a peaceful religion -- not even when it's on it's best behavior. Like fundamental Christianity and radical Zionists, fundamentalist Islam is exclusive, narrow minded, and hostile to those who refuse to share and adhere to their beliefs. Money is not the root of all evil, religious zealots are. History documents this beyond argument. And not since the Inquisition has the world seen self-righteous cruelty and aggressive religious zealotry the likes of radical Islam.

So, what to do about it?

First, stop trying to democratize Arab countries. We might as well be trying to modernize stone age Amazon tribes by air dropping them Dell laptops. It's just silly. No, it's worse than than silly -- it's dangerous, as we have seen in Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine. Arab countries don't use democracy, they misuse it. Given the vote they elect the very fundamentalists the vote was supposed to marginalize. Instead democracy has legitimized them. (The law of unintended consequences – duh!)

Stop pretending these countries are even trying to become part of the modern world. Syria, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordon, Egypt – have to choose. Stop pandering to the primitive Islamic forces within their own countries. Make hate speech a crime, then enforce it. Close Islamic schools that refuse to teach a benign and inclusive form of Islam. Arrest mullahs that preach hate and jihad from their pulpits. Lock up those who espouse jihad. Pull all Islamo-fascist cells up by the roots.

The Arab countries that refuse to do so and instead continue to harbor, finance or supply jihadists should be punished with militarily enforced embargoes -- land, sea and air. And, yes, that must include oil exports. No pain, no gain. International banking transactions with such countries would be restricted to payments for food and medicine only. Nothing else goes in or comes out.

Countries that still allow jihadists to launch attacks from their territories should be immediately punished with attacks on key infrastructure. These countries have shown time and again they care a lot more about their power plants, bridges, military bases and palaces than they do about the lives of their own people. So, rather than waste either our soldier's lives or theirs, hit infrastructure. And keep hitting it until they cry “uncle.” (See NFR "Don't Do That" defense policy)

What we have done in Iraq could not have been a bigger mistake. Putting Western troops on the ground in one of these Arab nations to an attempt to pacify it is like trying to cure a chicken killing dog by throwing chickens into it's pen. Arab nations have plenty of people and don't seem to mind sacrificing them for Allah – even using them as human smart bombs. That's their strength. The West needs to play to it's strength – technology – by using stand off weapons to pound the offending nation's expensive and hard to replace infrastructure.

But, to paraphrase Don Rumsfeld, it all begins by coming to terms with the enemy we are actually dealing with, rather than the enemy we wish we were dealing with. Trying to force feed democracy to these primitive Muslim dominated Arab societies is like taking a baseball bat to a hive of killer bees. And that's exactly what we've done in Iraq.

It's time admit that Islam, what ever it may have been, has now been taken over by folks with a lot more in common Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot than Abraham, Jesus or Mohammad.

And then act accordingly.


Stephen Pizzo
 

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I have to admit, Pizzo makes a compelling statement. It is time for goverments to stop dealing with people who's values are based in the 12th century in a 21st century mentality.

Too many young people are dying to continue a useless dialog.
 

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TheNiteHwk said:
Exactly... when in Rome...

If you don't like our laws and how we do things here, why are you here?
Right on! Thank God some world leaders, like the Aussie PM have the balls to speak out.

But alas, you won't find any in this country. Mediocrity, political correctness and an open door immigration policy are the order of the day here.
 

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stacey4u2luv said:
Makes me want to move to Australia. :)

Stop it... your making me think.


I wonder if I could get same type of job and money etc I have here... Ummmmm.


Ok hijack over... back to topic at hand.

I have been saying this for years. Some people do come here expressly to take advantage of our lax laws and justice system. And then there are those who come here to the most IMO free counrty in the world for freedom of speech and exprssion, but if we don't let them commit acts that our society finds abhorent they cry foul. Then those few of us that do have a bit of enough backbone to stand up and say something about it get called racist etc... Really pisses me off... because of course I know that by far a majority of people who emigrate here are hard working, God fearing, (whomever their God is) law abiding, good family values etc. Those that are not need (those that want to oppress and abuse women for example) need to be dealt with accordingly. Not us Canadians though. Instead we do the direct opposite. Here what you can do is come to Canada, become a Canadian... go abroad and commit terrorist activities, then cling on to your Canadian passport, call the Canadian embassy to fight for your release so you can come back and teach your kids to oppress women and the like. Only in Canada. Nice.
 
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