The Gospel of Caesar

[canada-man]

Documentary film about a linguist and a Catholic priest, who search for and find the origins of Christianity and the real historical Jesus: Julius Caesar.





Extracts from the book «Jesus was Caesar»

© Francesco Carotta, Kirchzarten

Both Caesar and Jesus start their rising careers in neighboring states in the north: Gallia and Galilee.

Both have to cross a fateful river: the Rubicon and the Jordan. Once across the rivers, they both come across a patron/rival: Pompeius and John the Baptist, and their first followers: Antonius and Curio on the one hand and Peter and Andrew on the other.

Both are continually on the move, finally arriving at the capital, Rome and Jerusalem, where they at first triumph, yet subsequently undergo their passion.

Both have good relationships with women and have a special relationship with one particular woman, Caesar with Cleopatra and Jesus with Magdalene.

Both have encounters at night, Caesar with Nicomedes, Jesus with Nicodemus.

Both of them are great orators and of the highest nobility, descendant of Aeneas and son of David, yet nevertheless both are self-made men. Both struggle hard and ultimately triumph, hence each has a ‘triumphal entry’: Caesar on horseback and Jesus on a donkey.

Both have an affinity to ordinary people—and both run afoul of the
highest authorities: Caesar with the Senate, Jesus with the Sanhedrin.

Both are contentious characters, but show praiseworthy clemency as well: the clementia Caesaris and Jesus’ Love-thy-enemy.

Both have a traitor: Brutus and Judas. And an assassin who at first gets away: the other Brutus and Barabbas. And one who washes his hands of it: Lepidus and Pilate.

Both are accused of making themselves kings: King of the Romans and King of the Jews. Both are dressed in red royal robes and wear a crown on their heads: a laurel wreath and a crown of thorns.

Both get killed: Caesar is stabbed with daggers, Jesus is crucified, but
with a stab wound in his side.

Both die on the same respective dates of the year: Caesar on the Ides (15th) of March, Jesus on the 15th of Nisan.

Both are deified posthumously: as Divus Iulius and as Jesus Christ.

Both leave behind priests: Marcus Antonius and Peter. Both have a posthumous heir: Gaius Octavianus adopted by Caesar’s Last Will and Testament and John the disciple whom Jesus adopts while on the cross (‘Woman, behold thy son!’).

http://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/esumma/33-37.html




Wax effigy of Caesar on a victory cross/ tropaeum the source of the christian crucifiction and cross

 

[Aardvark154]

1) Francesco Carotta to the best of my knowledge is not and never has been a Roman Catholic Priest.

2) His book has drawn little positive serious academic attention.

Maria Wyke a expert on Ancient Rome described Carotta's views as "eccentric" and described the connections between Caesar and Jesus listed by him as "sweeping and often superficial parallels".

Antonio Piñero a Spanish philologist called Carotta's reading of the Gospel "completely implausible" if an "ingenious exercise" with numerous methodological shortcomings.

 

[Cypher]

... "sweeping and often superficial parallels"...

A genre unto itself in so many an "alternative / speculative" historical thesis.

 

[Petzel]

I don't believe Jesus ever visited Rome. It was Paul who went to Rome. Jesus never ventured outside of his homeland.

 

[blackrock13]

I don't believe Jesus ever visited Rome. It was Paul who went to Rome. Jesus never ventured outside of his homeland.

I also don't believe CM even watched it.

It's 2 hours long ffs, with sub tittles no less. Another 'look at me, I'm an intellectual, sort of' thread from the little guy. The least he could do is offer a summary to show us he actually watched it. Even the two line summary under it is a C&P.

 

[Aardvark154]

What source other than this book is there for the idea of a victory cross/tropæum?

A tropæum was a Greek/Roman victory monument of which a number have more or less survived to modern times - none of them is in the shape of a cross.

Any serious study of early Christianity would tell you that the cross as a symbol was initially a problem area for Greek and later Roman converts in an period where the cross was still seen as a device of torture and shame - such that it was forbidden to crucify a Roman Citizen. Why on earth would that have been so, if was seen as a symbol of Julius Cæsar?

 

[canada-man]

I also don't believe CM even watched it.

It's 2 hours long ffs, with sub tittles no less. Another 'look at me, I'm an intellectual, sort of' thread from the little guy. The least he could do is offer a summary to show us he actually watched it. Even the two line summary under it is a C&P.

i watched it a few months ago don't make assumptions

 

[blackrock13]

i watched it a few months ago don't make assumptions

I call BS, you even had to C&P the summary.

 

[Aardvark154]

Another drive-by I see.

 

[blackrock13]

Another drive-by I see.

Pretty much.

 

[Petzel]

i watched it a few months ago don't make assumptions

Jesus never went to Rome!

 

[canada-man]

Julius Caesar was well liked by The Jews

JULIUS CAESAR° (c. 100–44 B.C.E.), Roman leader. During the civil war between him and Pompey (49 B.C.E.), Caesar freed *Aristobulus II, the deposed ruler of Judea, planning to send him to Syria, along with troops to aid him to recover his throne. Pompey's supporters, however, succeeded in poisoning Aristobulus before he could leave Rome (cf. Dio Cassius 41:18, 1). At the same time, Hyrcanus II and Antipater, in common with the other vassal rulers in the East, remained loyal to Pompey and even sent him troops for the battle of Pharsalus (48 B.C.E.); but after Caesar's victory and his conquest of the Orient, they went over to the side of the victor. When Caesar besieged Alexandria, Hyrcanus was one of the Oriental rulers who sent him reinforcements, and Hyrcanus's letter influenced the Jews living in the "territory of Onias" to grant the invading army free passage. Upon his return to Syria, Caesar ratified Hyrcanus' appointment as high priest and granted Antipater Roman citizenship and exemption from taxes. The efforts of Aristobulus' younger son Antigonus to turn Caesar against Hyrcanus and Antipater met with failure. At the same time, Caesar nullified Gabinius' Judean settlement and even attempted to correct some of Pompey's abuses against the Jews. In a series of decrees and through decisions made by the Senate at his instigation, Caesar instituted a new administration in Judea. He permitted the reconstruction of the walls of Jerusalem, restored to Judea the port of Jaffa, and confirmed Hyrcanus and his descendants after him as high priests and ethnarchs of Judea. Hyrcanus' realm now included Judea, Jaffa, and the Jewish settlements in Galilee and Transjordan. He also ratified Hyrcanus' ownership of the Hasmonean territory in the "Great Valley of Jezreel." The annual taxation of Judea was set as 12.5% of the produce of the land, with total exemption during the sabbatical year. Extortion by the military was forbidden under any pretext. Caesar's settlement favored the continued rise of the House of Antipater. Caesar permitted Jewish organization in the Diaspora, and his tolerant attitude to Diaspora Jewry was emulated by the rulers of the provinces. Caesar's enmity toward Pompey, who had conquered Jerusalem and defiled the Holy of Holies, led to a positive attitude toward him among the Jews. His restoration of the unity of Judea, his deference toward the high priest, Hyrcanus II, and his tolerant attitude toward the Diaspora Jews increased the sympathy of the Jewish masses for him. When he was assassinated, he was mourned by the Jews more than by any other nation, and for a long time after they continued to weep over his tomb both by day and night (Suetonius, Divus Iulius, 84).

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0011_0_10485.html



Many famous caesar quotes are found in gospels

Plut. Caes. 34
Who is not on any side, is on my side.
Mk 9:40
He that is not Against us, is on our Part
Mat 12:30 He who is not with me is against me"

Plut. Caes. 60
I am not King, I am Caesar
Mk 15:15
We have no King, but Caesar


Plut. Caes. 63
The best death is a sudden one
Mk 14:21
That thou does't (lead me to death), do quickly

Plut. Caes. 68
Have I saved them, that they may ruin me
Mk 15:31
He saved other; he cannot save

Plut. Caes. 50
Veni, Vidi. Vici
Mk 8:24
I came, I washed and Saw

 

[Petzel]

CM, that still doesn't prove that Jesus ever went to Rome!!! :frusty:

 

[canada-man]

CM, that still doesn't prove that Jesus ever went to Rome!!! :frusty:

nobody said Jesus went to Rome. the life stories are similar

 

[blackrock13]

No news here, file under 873 or 398.

 

[canada-man]

 

[blackrock13]

No news here, file under 873 or maybe 398.

Ooops, you deleted the post. Hahaha.

Ooops, you back, but different, Still 873. vVdeo are much harder to debunk. you actually have to waste time and watch them.

Wow, images of Julius Caesar. It least they're not of Lupie Lukashenko

 

[canada-man]

Ooops, you deleted the post. Hahaha.

Ooops, you back, but different, Still 873. vVdeo are much harder to debunk. you actually have to waste time and watch them.

Wow, images of Julius Caesar. It least they're not of Lupie Lukashenko

I didn't know you have a short attention span

 

[blackrock13]

I didn't know you have a short attention span

My attention span has little to do with it. I guess we should be happy it was 120 minutes of images of Caesar.

 

[canada-man]

This is a symbol of "Victory", when the Romans where victorious, they would build on of these, from a Tree, decorate it, using the Armour of the God (Emperor), symbolically crucifying him.


Just read this Biblical passage from "Ephesians 6:10-18" that describes the "Armor of God (Julius Caesar)"

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.