The Intolerant Radicals and their Meghan Murphy Circus

GameBoy27

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I fail to understand how what Murphy is saying can be classified as hate speech. I'm also glad the library didn't cave to pressure and allowed her to speak.

You can't arbitrarily claim something is hate speech simply because you don't like what they're saying. If Murphy is in fact spewing hate speech, we have laws governing that.

The irony would probably be lost on the angry mob of radicals, but the circus they created Tuesday night around the 45-minute appearance of controversial feminist Meghan Murphy made them come across as obstinate, intolerant and as Murphy suggested — steeped in bigotry.

As Murphy spoke inside the Palmerston Library to a capacity crowd, the rent-a-mob of trans and LGBT people and assorted hangers-on grew louder, angrier and more intimidating to those who aren’t used to their cries of self-righteous indignation as I am.

Egged on by the ideologues at the CBC, other left-wing media and various leftist authors — enabled by Mayor John Tory who pushed to get the Toronto public library to cancel the event (not one of his finer moments) — hundreds of regressives tried to bully attendees by either holding them captive inside the library or screaming “shame, shame” as they departed, surrounded by a phalanx of cops and security guards.

Even my own MPP Jill Andrew, who appears not to need much to be fueled by the angry rhetoric, shouted “trans rights are human rights” loudly in my ear and called me a “bigot” and “not worth” her time when I tried to interview her.

In all their foolishness, they reinforced what the articulate Murphy had to say about their “regressive ideology” and the bigotry of those who were screaming outside.

“I want us to consider for a moment who in this debate is intolerant … who wishes to form their own opinion based on rational thought rather than mob mentality … who is it who has decided to vilify, hate, threaten, bully, ostracize and silence,” she said.

She suggested to the sold-out crowd that the angry mob outside have refused to listen and refused to engage.

“Bigotry is an obstinate or intolerant devotion to one’s own opinions or prejudices,” she said, noting that those who have raised concerns about the impact of gender identity ideology have been “vilified” and “ostracized” by friends and activists.

“We have essentially normalized thought crime,” she said, adding that those who don’t agree with the angry mob are threatened and have been labelled TERFS (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist.)

She said she’s been threatened with death and rape and libelled over and over again simply for asking questions about the impact of gender identify legislation on women (She was referring to Bill 16 which protects gender identity in the Human Rights Code).

So what are her views?

Murphy says she’s never said that trans people should not have rights or that they’re dangerous or should be excluded from spaces.

She added that she’s never wished violence on anyone or engaged in hate speech, contrary to the contentions of those who tried to have her event cancelled.

What she has said, she told the crowd, is that trans-identified males are males — what she calls a biological reality.

“Just because a man says he’s a woman doesn’t make him a woman,” Murphy said.

They’re free to wear women’s clothing, make-up, grow their hair or get cosmetic surgery, she said.

But what she does feel is that female athletes should not be forced to compete against male athletes — because female bodies are different than male bodies.

She insists that women should not be forced either to share a washroom or room in a shelter with a transgendered male.

“I will not stand by and allow people to claim that protecting women’s rights is bigotry,” she said.

“None of this is about transphobia … it’s about women’s rights to say no to (transgendered) men.”

Thanking the crowd for not “caving” to the “angry mob,” she contended that many in the mob have been “brainwashed” and don’t even know what they’re angry about.

That, to me, was exactly what I saw Tuesday night.

It is a sad statement on free speech and where we as society are at the moment.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/levy-the-intolerant-radicals-and-their-meghan-murphy-circus
 

Crimson Mire

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Meghan Murphy is a transphobe 100% and she's also strongly against sex work. I was also in the protest.and I'm glad there were thousands of people there along with me.

Gameboy, the fact you quoted an overly biased article confirming that "transgender women are men" as well as labelling us as "intolerant radicals" clearly goes to show how bigoted you are towards LGBTQIA+ people. I could explain logic to you but that'll be equivalent to me talking to a wall.

PS: Maggie's Sex Work Project was there in the protest as well because Meghan Murphy is strongly opposed to sex work. So what's your stance now Gameboy? Do you want the entire sex work to be abolished?
 

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Oh look, Crimson Mire is back to enlighten us troglodytes. Didn’t you get banned after your last tantrum?
 

Crimson Mire

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I see you missed me. Well I never missed you. Teeheehee. No dufus I only got a temporary ban.

You are calling yourself a troglodyte? Well that's flattering. I don't think so; I think you have brain cells who an think and learn, but I guess I'm wrong. But seeing how you always want to be right and how you're so prone to silencing me, I guess I'll have to agree that you're a troglodyte.

Funny how you call my posts "tantrum" without recognizing how your overly transphobic, childish "wahh wahh Crimson Mire needs a ban wahh wahh I need my mommy wahh wahh" posts were any less of a tantrum.
 

GameBoy27

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Meghan Murphy is a transphobe 100% and she's also strongly against sex work. I was also in the protest.and I'm glad there were thousands of people there along with me.

Gameboy, the fact you quoted an overly biased article confirming that "transgender women are men" as well as labelling us as "intolerant radicals" clearly goes to show how bigoted you are towards LGBTQIA+ people. I could explain logic to you but that'll be equivalent to me talking to a wall.

PS: Maggie's Sex Work Project was there in the protest as well because Meghan Murphy is strongly opposed to sex work. So what's your stance now Gameboy? Do you want the entire sex work to be abolished?
Where did I say I agree with her views? She may well be a transphobe, I don't really care. My point is that she should be allowed to speak and if she's broken the law then she should be charged. My take is the ones she's calling "intolerant radicals" are the people threatening her with death and rape.
 

Crimson Mire

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Where did I say I agree with her views? She may well be a transphobe, I don't really care. My point is that she should be allowed to speak and if she's broken the law then she should be charged. My take is the ones she's calling "intolerant radicals" are the people threatening her with death and rape.
Her voice is dangerous and downright invalidating towards the trans community, a community that already experiences high risks of suicide, rape, abuse, and murder. By your logic, are you okay with the KKK or Hitler giving speeches at a library?

Threatening with death and rape? Do you want to know how often the trans community are victims of rape, murder, and sexual assault? It's a fucking staggering amount. No obviously I wouldn't threaten MM with death and rape but I love how overly biased you sound. I was at the crowd and nobody, not a single person there threatened her with death and rape; we were peaceful protesters. I would also be surprised if MM knew a thing about rape, considering she often advocates for rape against trans women. Double standard much?
 

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I see you missed me. Well I never missed you. Teeheehee. No dufus I only got a temporary ban.

You are calling yourself a troglodyte? Well that's flattering. I don't think so; I think you have brain cells who an think and learn, but I guess I'm wrong. But seeing how you always want to be right and how you're so prone to silencing me, I guess I'll have to agree that you're a troglodyte.

Funny how you call my posts "tantrum" without recognizing how your overly transphobic, childish "wahh wahh Crimson Mire needs a ban wahh wahh I need my mommy wahh wahh" posts were any less of a tantrum.
Why do you even come here?
 

Crimson Mire

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Why do you even come here?
Why not? Isn't this thread all about "free speech"? Are you not contradicting yourself if you deny me the right to post here despite you advocating for "free speech"?

Or you only conveniently give a shit about free speech if the speaker is a transphobe, a white supremacist, or a Nazi?
 

Grimnul

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Why not? Isn't this thread all about "free speech"? Are you not contradicting yourself if you deny me the right to post here despite you advocating for "free speech"?

Or you only conveniently give a shit about free speech if the speaker is a transphobe, a white supremacist, or a Nazi?
I really feel sorry for you. It must be horrible to construct your entire identity around one thing. What would you even do with your life if you didn’t have “transphobes” to yell at? Must be very isolating to be so singular.
 

Crimson Mire

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I really feel sorry for you. It must be horrible to construct your entire identity around one thing. What would you even do with your life if you didn’t have “transphobes” to yell at? Must be very isolating to be so singular.
Awww that's so cute and adorable. Grimnul has the ability to feel. Go tell that to your mother; she'll be so proud of you.

That confirms that even the most vile bigots have a soft side albeit only a small ounce of it.

In case you're wondering, no I don't feel sorry for you in return for being a troglodyte.
 

GameBoy27

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Her voice is dangerous and downright invalidating towards the trans community, a community that already experiences high risks of suicide, rape, abuse, and murder. By your logic, are you okay with the KKK or Hitler giving speeches at a library?
Wow, that didn't take you long. Godwin's law strikes again!
 

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Sorry but having read some of Murphy's stuff, she's the intolerant one and her bias against trans-women is simply part of her radical bias against men.
 

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It's so sad these days, if not downright tragic, that so many are willing to immediately label others as 'phobic' or 'haters' just because they insist on exercising their right to having and expressing a different (perhaps even opposing) opinion and/or set of personal values.

Not everyone who fundamentally disagrees with you is 'afraid of you', nor are they automatically raging haters.

This is the tiresome irony of the concept of tolerance in the modern age. Those that most vociferously demand tolerance of their own opinions are so often the ones who are the least tolerant of others' opinions.
 

Crimson Mire

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It's so sad these days, if not downright tragic, that so many are willing to immediately label others as 'phobic' or 'haters' just because they insist on exercising their right to having and expressing a different (perhaps even opposing) opinion and/or set of personal values.

Not everyone who fundamentally disagrees with you is 'afraid of you', nor are they automatically raging haters.

This is the tiresome irony of the concept of tolerance in the modern age. Those that most vociferously demand tolerance of their own opinions are so often the ones who are the least tolerant of others' opinions.
It's simple, very very simple. Trans women are women; they are not men. Meghan Murphy believes trans women are men, hence why she is a bigot. Hence why there is a protest against her. Is that too hard to understand?

It's not rocket science.
 

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Her voice is dangerous and downright invalidating towards the trans community, a community that already experiences high risks of suicide, rape, abuse, and murder. By your logic, are you okay with the KKK or Hitler giving speeches at a library?

Threatening with death and rape? Do you want to know how often the trans community are victims of rape, murder, and sexual assault? It's a fucking staggering amount. No obviously I wouldn't threaten MM with death and rape but I love how overly biased you sound. I was at the crowd and nobody, not a single person there threatened her with death and rape; we were peaceful protesters. I would also be surprised if MM knew a thing about rape, considering she often advocates for rape against trans women. Double standard much?
If her speeches were really equivalent to Hitler, why hasn't she been charged with hate speech under the Criminal Code?

It's very simple. It's because hurtful speech it isn't hate speech.
 

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It's simple, very very simple. Trans women are women; they are not men. Meghan Murphy believes trans women are men, hence why she is a bigot. Hence why there is a protest against her. Is that too hard to understand?

It's not rocket science.
This is blasphemy!
 

Crimson Mire

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If her speeches were really equivalent to Hitler, why hasn't she been charged with hate speech under the Criminal Code?

It's very simple. It's because hurtful speech it isn't hate speech.
Hitler wasn't charged with hate speech back in 1930s-40s as well, which was why he rose in power. So what's your point?
 

Crimson Mire

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Nope!..........Their trans women.

And that's basic biology. You just can't change chromosomes.
Sex and gender are two different things, but I doubt your stubborn mind would give a shit. Your creative brands of bigotry are too tempting for you.
 
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