The Leafs - going forward?

Von Wigglestaff

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I’ve been a Leaf fan since Lanny MacDonald and Borje Salming were rookies; to this day they remain my favorite Leafs. Lanny was the lucky one, after getting traded from this dysfunctional franchise he became a prolific goal scorer and eventually won the Cup with the Flames – Borje was not so fortunate. Mats Sundin has probably come to the realization that if he isn’t traded soon he will be walking in Borje’s footsteps.

After the Leafs were eliminated from playoff contention, Sportsnet saw fit to dredge up old nightmares by airing a four part profile of Harold Ballard. One item from it stood out above all: even though he drove a prestigious hockey club into the toilet, Ballard still managed to amass a fortune of over $100 million. Others were quickly attracted to what had become an unhindered cash flow. Except for a brief interregnum between Ballard’s demise and the take over of Steve Stavro, profits have always been put ahead of the welfare of the club. Even when the team was winning, the “board” invested just enough to keep the team competitive but not be a serious contender for the Stanley Cup. This “board” has become so bloated that they behave like pigs at a trough, and none is fatter than the Ontario Teacher’s Pension Fund and their conniving front man Richard Peddie. This man genuinely makes my skin crawl.

His record with the Raptors speaks for itself, but once he outmaneuvered Ken Dryden, whose six Cup rings worked against him, it was clear that his incompetence would befall the Leafs. The Fans deserved a top tier general manager – so Peddie gave us John Ferguson Jr. Since he was in an impossible position I was willing to give Jr the benefit of the doubt, but his news conference to announce that Quinn had been fired was a complete disaster. He gave the impression of a man who is utterly clueless, continuously falling back on his tiresome obfuscations to cover up for the fact he’s overwhelmed. I thought to myself “even Gerry McNamara could have done a better job”. Unless he is paid millions of dollars, I can’t see Paul Maurice wanting to coach this team. His prospects are so much better elsewhere. Nor can I foresee any impact free agents wanting to play for this dysfunctional franchise.

Even though management worked against them there were years when the Leafs were on the verge of pulling of a Cup fluke. In 1993 they came close, but they were already running on empty by the time Kerry Fraser refused to call a match penalty on Gretzky, in 2002 it was a different story. The Leafs had swept the Sens, and then they had the New Jersey Devils on the brink of elimination. It appeared that the streak of futility would finally be broken…until Tie Domi decided to take out Scott Niedermeyer. If he had played on a well run franchise Tie Domi would never have been allowed to return to the team. Recently he insinuated that Quinn had made a mistake by benching him during the run to the playoffs. I agree with him; had he played the Leafs would have gotten a higher draft pick.

Even though I’ve ranted so extensively I’ll always remain a Leaf fan. Perhaps if the Senators win the Cup, Leafs upper management may finally be purged…but I seriously doubt that. I’ve come to the realization that the St Louis Browns have a better chance of winning the World Series than the Leafs have of winning the Stanley Cup.
 

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Von Wigglestaff said:
St Louis Browns have a better chance of winning the World Series than the Leafs have of winning the Stanley Cup.

The ST. louis blues have a better shot at the superbowl than the Leafs have at a Stanley Cup
 

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Von Wigglestaff, kudos to you for nailing it on the head almost perfectly... I say "almost" because while I do agree with your general assesment, I think more blame has to be passed around beyond the Teacher's Pension Plan and Dick Peddie. Namely, some blame goes to Leafs' fans, of which I am one.
While many would argue that the constant sell-outs at the ACC, regardless of price, is due to corporate ticket sales, I have zero doubt the ACC would still sell-out even if corporate buyers were banned. You could still get 19,000+ indiviuals to buy those tickets game after game. Until that changes, the motivation to win a Cup will remain low on the organization's priority list.
Any fan who would subscribe and actually pay for that garbage on Leafs and Raptors TV accepts blame for this team's futility. I won't even get on the barrage of Leafs merchandise that is everywhere.
Those fans who celebrating on Yonge Street after the Leafs win a single round in the playoffs give the message loud and clear to MLSE: We will accept any success, no matter how little.
Until the fans step up and say enough is enough, then nothing will change.

As a result we all share responsibility for the joke that this once-proud team has become.
 

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BlahBlah...

you see clearly .. when the blue blinders are off ....
 

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St. Louis Browns became the Baltimore Orioles in the 50's. The Brown's were the sad sack team of the American League.
 

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Neverenuff$ said:
BlahBlah...

you see clearly .. when the blue blinders are off ....
Forgive my ignorance and/or failure to understand, but... huh?

Are you suggesting I have blinders on in terms of seeing where in the Leafs' organization the majority of the blame lies? If so, I absolutley place it at the feet of Peddie and the MLSE board, as my other posts regarding the Leafs would show, I'm just saying we as Leaf fans (I refuse to refer to us as "Leaf Nation") provide those in charge no additional motivation to do anything differently.
We keep getting kicked in the teeth and keep coming back for more. This organization has been so arrogant and has treated its paying customers so poorly that if they were any other business, they would have been run out of business a long time ago.
I heard from a friend in the sports marketing industry in Montreal that when Molson owned the Habs, Molson sales would reflect the team's success or lack thereof in Montreal. When they did well, sales were up, when they played poorly, sales were down. Perhaps that's why until 1993, the Canadiens had never gone more than eight seasons between Stanley Cups. Maybe if the Leafs faced a similar backlash from its customers in terms of tickets sales and other areas, I might've seen my beloved Buds win four Stanley Cups in my 34 years, as opposed to zero.
I think I'm the last Leafs' fan to wear blinders, but if I do, I know I'm far from the worst of the lot.
 

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No offence intended ....

We keep getting kicked in the teeth and keep coming back for more

This is what I mean by blue blinders...

ignore the bad come back for more...

But its hard to beat big business.. the leafs share holders are happy .. who cares about the fans

how can you fight back ?... give up tickets .. someone else will by them,
stop watching hockey night in canada , stop subscribing to leafs T.V ?

probably won't work.


That being typed .. I enjoy bashing the Leafs and I have been given tons of ammo on that

now is the time of the year to become a HOCKEY fan .. Enjoy the playoffs !
 

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No offence taken, thanks for clearing that up.
 

Von Wigglestaff

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mrkman said:
St. Louis Browns became the Baltimore Orioles in the 50's. The Brown's were the sad sack team of the American League.
I had no idea, I thought they were so bad that they just bit the shitcan.

Ok, S****horpe has a better chance of winning the English Premiership than the Leafs winning the Stanley Cup.

To demonstarte just how disfunctional this franchise is, "testa di cazzo" (Domi) was honoured for reaching 1000 games and we're still waiting for Lanny and Borje to have their banners raised to the roof. And how many stitches to the face did Borje take for this hockey club?
 

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leafs are going to be crap again next year they've plan to sign Lindros and Sundin is still the Captain...its time for Mats to go....the hearts not there and he's a terrible captain just let him go and find somebody else....and if Ferguson stays its another season of high hopes and big let downs...bring up alot of the guys from the marlies and the goalies they have for now is okay as long Belfour doesn't come back...they need a new GM, coach and some new talented players....
 

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how 'bout Lindros for Captain?
 

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Von Wigglestaff said:
I’ve been a Leaf fan since Lanny MacDonald and Borje Salming were rookies; to this day they remain my favorite Leafs. Lanny was the lucky one, after getting traded from this dysfunctional franchise he became a prolific goal scorer and eventually won the Cup with the Flames – Borje was not so fortunate. Mats Sundin has probably come to the realization that if he isn’t traded soon he will be walking in Borje’s footsteps.

After the Leafs were eliminated from playoff contention, Sportsnet saw fit to dredge up old nightmares by airing a four part profile of Harold Ballard. One item from it stood out above all: even though he drove a prestigious hockey club into the toilet, Ballard still managed to amass a fortune of over $100 million. Others were quickly attracted to what had become an unhindered cash flow. Except for a brief interregnum between Ballard’s demise and the take over of Steve Stavro, profits have always been put ahead of the welfare of the club. Even when the team was winning, the “board” invested just enough to keep the team competitive but not be a serious contender for the Stanley Cup. This “board” has become so bloated that they behave like pigs at a trough, and none is fatter than the Ontario Teacher’s Pension Fund and their conniving front man Richard Peddie. This man genuinely makes my skin crawl.

His record with the Raptors speaks for itself, but once he outmaneuvered Ken Dryden, whose six Cup rings worked against him, it was clear that his incompetence would befall the Leafs. The Fans deserved a top tier general manager – so Peddie gave us John Ferguson Jr. Since he was in an impossible position I was willing to give Jr the benefit of the doubt, but his news conference to announce that Quinn had been fired was a complete disaster. He gave the impression of a man who is utterly clueless, continuously falling back on his tiresome obfuscations to cover up for the fact he’s overwhelmed. I thought to myself “even Gerry McNamara could have done a better job”. Unless he is paid millions of dollars, I can’t see Paul Maurice wanting to coach this team. His prospects are so much better elsewhere. Nor can I foresee any impact free agents wanting to play for this dysfunctional franchise.

Even though management worked against them there were years when the Leafs were on the verge of pulling of a Cup fluke. In 1993 they came close, but they were already running on empty by the time Kerry Fraser refused to call a match penalty on Gretzky, in 2002 it was a different story. The Leafs had swept the Sens, and then they had the New Jersey Devils on the brink of elimination. It appeared that the streak of futility would finally be broken…until Tie Domi decided to take out Scott Niedermeyer. If he had played on a well run franchise Tie Domi would never have been allowed to return to the team. Recently he insinuated that Quinn had made a mistake by benching him during the run to the playoffs. I agree with him; had he played the Leafs would have gotten a higher draft pick.

Even though I’ve ranted so extensively I’ll always remain a Leaf fan. Perhaps if the Senators win the Cup, Leafs upper management may finally be purged…but I seriously doubt that. I’ve come to the realization that the St Louis Browns have a better chance of winning the World Series than the Leafs have of winning the Stanley Cup.
Right on.

The only thing I'd add is that, in the last few years, especially, the "little" thing ML managers have tried to do is bring Toronto boys "home". Problem is these clowns are all WAYYYYY past their prime. A couple have worked out - Dougie and Gary for sure, but the rest..... It's all a con game they've pulled on their fans.

At least I was old enough to see the Leafs 4 cups in the sixties. Will I ever see them win before I croak?

Probably, not.
 

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hardlicks said:
Right on.

At least I was old enough to see the Leafs 4 cups in the sixties. Will I ever see them win before I croak?

Probably, not.
Those are memories to cherish.

However part of it may be tainted. George Gross wrote a story about the time Ballard assumed control of the Marlies in 1963. The following year Leafs scouts came to Ballard with a tip about a kid from Parry Sound. Ballard's contempt for scouting has been well documented and on this occasion he chose to pass on the prospect. The Bruins recovered from extreme shock long enough to sign the prodigy.

This story has never been corroborated since Bobby Orr has chosen to remain silent on the subject.

Btw what's so obscene about Scun thorpe?:D
 

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wiggler said:
The Leafs - going forward?
that's become somewhat of an oxymoron the last 39 years.
 
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