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One call every two shifts huh? I thought it was 1 call per shift and the rest of the time they are driving around doing nothing.

Now I know better.
 

blackrock13

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This article was dealt with in the other police thread, but I see you tried an end run.

This comment is a fine example of John Sewell's math and analytical skills;


"Here’s a second example of gravy. Police work three shifts a day: a 10-hour day shift; a 10-hour evening shift; and an eight-hour night shift. That means that in every 24 hours, police are paid to work 28 hours. The shift overlaps do not occur during the evening hours when calls for service are highest. Getting police to work just 24 hours every day — cutting out the four hours of gravy — would require about 15 per cent less resources, in itself a saving of about $100 million a year."



They are not paid to working 28 hours days. The overlapping of shifts serve a very important purpose. It means that somebody is out on the street at all times and not at the station clocking in a clocking.

I'll let the words of a 40 year veteran of Toronto Police speak about Mr Sewells remarks though.

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/gary_grant/2011/01/05/16774766.html


On Wednesday, former Toronto mayor and local crank John Sewell offered his advice to Mayor Rob Ford on how he could stem the flow of gravy at the Toronto Police Service.

The oh-so-cute column in the Toronto Star was Sewell being Sewell: Smug, arrogant, condescending and presenting totally incorrect information as factual.

The $915-million police budget needs examination. Instead Sewell offers a malicious and misleading attack. I’m dismayed the Star would print this drivel.

What else can you say about a column that states, based on the number of calls to police, each of our force’s 5,600 officers responds to a call for service every other day, spending the rest of their shifts driving aimlessly around the city 24/7, 365 days a year waiting for a radio call. How absurd.

I guarantee you the computer screens of every primary response officer are filled with calls of varying priority. Their biggest problem in the day is how to complete the backlog of calls not updating their Facebook status.

However, policing in this city is not just about answering radio calls. Who does Sewell think staff the units that deal with homicide, robbery, fraud, domestic violence, school safety, organized crime, victim services, sexual assault and child exploitation? Who does Sewell think provides the policing at events such as the G20, visits from foreign heads of state, Caribana, Pride, or even regularly keeps the peace in the Entertainment District every weekend?

Sewell “suspects” the reason police spend significantly more time investigating personal injury collisions than they did in the past is because they have “not a lot else to do.” This genius hasn’t bothered to keep up to date on the spectacular advancements in the field of collision reconstruction where highly trained officers utilize the latest technology to investigate traffic fatalities and those with serious personal injuries. This type of investigation has become the gold standard and is expected in our courts.

Not constructive

Sewell’s attack on the police isn’t constructive criticism or well meaning. It is just a long-time cop hater being a cop hater.

His opinion on the use of two-officer cars after 5 p.m. is a prime example. Sewell wrote research shows one-man cars are safer since a lone officer won’t take the same chances as two officers. I would love to see that research.

The ex-mayor, who is smarter than the rest of us, knows the real reason for the two-person cars is so officers can “drive around aimlessly during the evening hours” and police officers “are usually associated with Tim Hortons and doughnuts because they don’t have enough to do.”

Frankly, I think it is Sewell who doesn’t have enough to do.

I was a member of the Toronto Police Service for almost 40 years and served in a high-ranking capacity in the latter half of my career. Each year we were subjected to a rigorous budget process and did our utmost to achieve savings.

Were we perfect? No, and I am sure I could find some areas within the budget that could be trimmed.

What I wouldn’t do is attack the integrity and professionalism of the men and women of the Toronto Police who put their lives at risk to keep our city safe.

All you really need to know about my opinion of John Sewell’s article is this: In March of 1980, Michael Sweet, a young police officer with a wife and three little daughters, was gunned down while responding to a robbery call in downtown Toronto. The thugs that shot him left him on the floor to bleed to death, not allowing emergency personnel to take him to the hospital. The city was in shock and mourning.

The mayor of Toronto, John Sewell, could not be bothered to attend the funeral.


Once a jerk, always a jerk.

— Grant is a retired Toronto Police staff superintendent
 

T.O.tourist

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I hate cops and will repeatedly post any negative thoughts I have about the police, in as many threads as I can.

*note* The above quote has been paraphrased from reading between the lines of multiple nottyboi posts.
 

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It's without a doubt that its been smug ivory tower dwelling politicians like John Sewell that have created the all talk no action city hall that Toronto is burdened with. What did he do during his tenure and since , someone please tell me because as a trasplanted Albertan I never heard of this guy until recently?
Perhaps he has written some obscure policy paper nobody has ever heard of that is 40 years out of date and all the left wing of Toronto council with Adam Vaughan leading the charge and the Mike and Jack Laytons of this city are gaga over? If he's retired he should stay retired and stop putting his nose where it doesn't belong.
 

blackrock13

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One call every two shifts huh? I thought it was 1 call per shift and the rest of the time they are driving around doing nothing.

Now I know better.
Of course we won't mention the paperwork that they have to do and sometimes it's done after the shifts off the clock, will we. You know SFA!
 

The Fruity Hare

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Originally Posted by nottyboi
I hate cops and will repeatedly post any negative thoughts I have about the police, in as many threads as I can.

*note* The above quote has been paraphrased from reading between the lines of multiple nottyboi posts.
If it is true as many have suggested that nottyboi is in fact tboy using another persona, he is only here to stir up whatever he can. As tboy, he was so pro cop that he was banned. As nottyboi, he goes in the opposite direction. It seems like almost every thread becomes a battle between blackrock and nottyboi, rockslinger and fuji.

Are all of these members actually just one person creating an elaborate ruse, arguing amongst himself? How could anyone allow themselves to be baited, over and over, every day and every night? This kind of arguing is why the political forum was created, but it seems like almost any thread you open these days has the same characters going at it endlessly until another thread opens up for them to continue.

You don't have to respond to these people's inane thoughts and beliefs, whether they are truly held or just meant to antagonize. We are all adults here and we don't need to be protected from their garbage. They are attention whores. If less people respond to it, they would have no audience and either dry up or go elsewhere.
 

blackrock13

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This has come to my mind also.

I actually wondered if these are hired ringers to keep the traffic and post count high for advertising rate / view purposes.

These guys seem to raise obscure new topics and take positions so ridiculous that you wonder if one person can be so stupid.

Maybe it is us who reply that are the stupid ones?
It's been a long time position on TERB that I'm paid to be here, what's the mystery, but to think at we are all the same person is grounds for committal to the Queens Street Academy.
 

nottyboi

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This article was dealt with in the other police thread, but I see you tried an end run.

This comment is a fine example of John Sewell's math and analytical skills;


"Here’s a second example of gravy. Police work three shifts a day: a 10-hour day shift; a 10-hour evening shift; and an eight-hour night shift. That means that in every 24 hours, police are paid to work 28 hours. The shift overlaps do not occur during the evening hours when calls for service are highest. Getting police to work just 24 hours every day — cutting out the four hours of gravy — would require about 15 per cent less resources, in itself a saving of about $100 million a year."



They are not paid to working 28 hours days. The overlapping of shifts serve a very important purpose. It means that somebody is out on the street at all times and not at the station clocking in a clocking.

I'll let the words of a 40 year veteran of Toronto Police speak about Mr Sewells remarks though.

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/gary_grant/2011/01/05/16774766.html


On Wednesday, former Toronto mayor and local crank John Sewell offered his advice to Mayor Rob Ford on how he could stem the flow of gravy at the Toronto Police Service.

The oh-so-cute column in the Toronto Star was Sewell being Sewell: Smug, arrogant, condescending and presenting totally incorrect information as factual.

The $915-million police budget needs examination. Instead Sewell offers a malicious and misleading attack. I’m dismayed the Star would print this drivel.

What else can you say about a column that states, based on the number of calls to police, each of our force’s 5,600 officers responds to a call for service every other day, spending the rest of their shifts driving aimlessly around the city 24/7, 365 days a year waiting for a radio call. How absurd.

I guarantee you the computer screens of every primary response officer are filled with calls of varying priority. Their biggest problem in the day is how to complete the backlog of calls not updating their Facebook status.

However, policing in this city is not just about answering radio calls. Who does Sewell think staff the units that deal with homicide, robbery, fraud, domestic violence, school safety, organized crime, victim services, sexual assault and child exploitation? Who does Sewell think provides the policing at events such as the G20, visits from foreign heads of state, Caribana, Pride, or even regularly keeps the peace in the Entertainment District every weekend?

Sewell “suspects” the reason police spend significantly more time investigating personal injury collisions than they did in the past is because they have “not a lot else to do.” This genius hasn’t bothered to keep up to date on the spectacular advancements in the field of collision reconstruction where highly trained officers utilize the latest technology to investigate traffic fatalities and those with serious personal injuries. This type of investigation has become the gold standard and is expected in our courts.

Not constructive

Sewell’s attack on the police isn’t constructive criticism or well meaning. It is just a long-time cop hater being a cop hater.

His opinion on the use of two-officer cars after 5 p.m. is a prime example. Sewell wrote research shows one-man cars are safer since a lone officer won’t take the same chances as two officers. I would love to see that research.

The ex-mayor, who is smarter than the rest of us, knows the real reason for the two-person cars is so officers can “drive around aimlessly during the evening hours” and police officers “are usually associated with Tim Hortons and doughnuts because they don’t have enough to do.”

Frankly, I think it is Sewell who doesn’t have enough to do.

I was a member of the Toronto Police Service for almost 40 years and served in a high-ranking capacity in the latter half of my career. Each year we were subjected to a rigorous budget process and did our utmost to achieve savings.

Were we perfect? No, and I am sure I could find some areas within the budget that could be trimmed.

What I wouldn’t do is attack the integrity and professionalism of the men and women of the Toronto Police who put their lives at risk to keep our city safe.

All you really need to know about my opinion of John Sewell’s article is this: In March of 1980, Michael Sweet, a young police officer with a wife and three little daughters, was gunned down while responding to a robbery call in downtown Toronto. The thugs that shot him left him on the floor to bleed to death, not allowing emergency personnel to take him to the hospital. The city was in shock and mourning.

The mayor of Toronto, John Sewell, could not be bothered to attend the funeral.


Once a jerk, always a jerk.

— Grant is a retired Toronto Police staff superintendent
Do you really need a full hour of overlap for transitions? Please explain? One man cars are not terribly dangerous, after all the OPP uses them in rural areas, in Toronto assistance is NEVER very far away if a officer feels the need to pick up the radio and ask for it. It amazes me that after all that has happened the Police would still be proud about the G20 debacle. of course a police officer would be worried when he sees the gravy train exposed. Anyone who does not LOVE the cops is automatically called a cop hater.
 

blackrock13

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Do you really need a full hour of overlap for transitions? Please explain?
In this kind of environment, yes. I suspect you'll find in many police forces, it's the same. It's not aTPS plot.

From http://www.shiftschedules.com/law-enforcement;


Since laws need to be enforced 24/7/365, most law enforcement agencies and correctional facilities use rotating shifts where officers work in regular patterns of days on and days off. Sometimes the shifts rotate and other times they do not. Usually police schedules have rotating days off, but not always. Both 8 hour shifts and 12 hour shifts can be easily scheduled to rotate days off and/or to rotate shifts. The use of 10 hour shifts is appealing because it can provide 3 days off each week, but since 24 can’t be divided evenly by 10, excessive shift overlap is required to fit three 10 hour shifts into a 24 hour day. If your officer coverage needs are less for a few hours a day, a combination of 10 hour shifts and 8 or 12 hour shifts can be used to adjust staffing levels to fit your needs. Another approach to a 4 day, 40 hour week uses 2-12 hour and 2-8 hour shifts a week.
 

nottyboi

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*note* The above quote has been paraphrased from reading between the lines of multiple nottyboi posts.
The above quote is a complete fabrication so mods please remove it and ban the liar... I don't mind being quoted....but the fact that someone had to completely fabricate a quote shows the true nature of the individual.
 

blackrock13

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The above quote is a complete fabrication so mods please remove it and ban the liar... I don't mind being quoted....but the fact that someone had to completely fabricate a quote shows the true nature of the individual.
It was clearly declared a paraphrase. Check the definition of paraphrase.
 

blackrock13

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How much of that increased is a result of excessive time spent going back and forth for court appearances that get rescheduled time and time again because of court problems?
Yes, the article points out that part of the problem is that they get paid for a full day for court appearances that only take a few minutes because they get postponed or cancelled. The article also discusses several other problems such as pay increases well in excess of the rate of inflation. It is an informative article, you should give it a read.
 

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I'm not at all sure that many posters (and not all have the qualifications and personality) would be happy being Police Constables. The work is frequently thankless, and no one who hasn't been “mission essential” and had to pull “overnights" in either the military or in civilian public service knows quite what that is like.
 

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How much of that increased is a result of excessive time spent going back and forth for court appearances that get rescheduled time and time again because of court problems?
and how many people complaining about the cops wasting their time in court are the same people who advocate doing everything you can to delay a case in the courts?
 
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