Cory Doctorow with a nice piece about the asymmetry between the Republican party's fear of its base and the Democratic Party's "balance the parts of the coalition" approach and how that approach by the Dems undercuts the Dems themselves.
The problem with Democrats trying to offer Pizzaburgers.
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I do, Harvey's had Pizzaburgers a while back and I really miss them. I'd gladly kill you and everyone on terb just for one more.
Although in my defense I am a fat guy and get do tend to get passionate about food.
Read the article this morning.
Its an interesting take, that the left should stop being the not angry, we are going to fix things nicely, party and become the angry and not take it party to get more done.
The civic take here is an angry Toronto population looking for change and the option being the very much not angry Chow. But its change from decades of right wing leadership and declining services.
Also interesting here as the lib/NDP combo has allowed more shit to get done within limits than has been true for a while. And while JT got dental we didn't get universal income or an actual climate plan that doesn't simultaneously cater to Alberta and dirty oil. I would think that left wingers are more worried about backing despots, the kind that jc panics that Biden secretly is but the kind north america hasn't seen since Huey Long was assassinated.
Is there anyone who can channel that anger to do what is popular and more drastic on the left and would the left support someone who could actually change things drastically?
Its an interesting take, that the left should stop being the not angry, we are going to fix things nicely, party and become the angry and not take it party to get more done.
The civic take here is an angry Toronto population looking for change and the option being the very much not angry Chow. But its change from decades of right wing leadership and declining services.
Also interesting here as the lib/NDP combo has allowed more shit to get done within limits than has been true for a while. And while JT got dental we didn't get universal income or an actual climate plan that doesn't simultaneously cater to Alberta and dirty oil. I would think that left wingers are more worried about backing despots, the kind that jc panics that Biden secretly is but the kind north america hasn't seen since Huey Long was assassinated.
Is there anyone who can channel that anger to do what is popular and more drastic on the left and would the left support someone who could actually change things drastically?
Problem with a two party system is you get a choice between pizza-burgers and a shit sandwich. I know that the right wing rage farming on nonsensical issues has drawn votes for the right but I would really be disappointed if left-leaning voters were simply motivated by social media campaigns.
I also think that with the far right Trump party and a truly left democrat party, a real centrist party would develop similar to what we have here. That means it comes down to a question of whether you think progressives will have more impact as part of a big tent party or in a three party system that reasonably could skew towards the center.
I also think that with the far right Trump party and a truly left democrat party, a real centrist party would develop similar to what we have here. That means it comes down to a question of whether you think progressives will have more impact as part of a big tent party or in a three party system that reasonably could skew towards the center.
Considering Montreal has "pizzaghetti", I probably should have put in a warning that Cory is wrong about no one wanting a pizzaburger, because there is always at least someone who loves that kind of thing.
I don't think that's quite what he's arguing.
He's arguing more about that tactic within the structure of the Democratic party and what the more progressive or "Left" can get from it.
This is something Cory's discussing in the US context as well - acknowledging that this coalition approach in the Democratic party has delivered wins.
You can't just say "It's not enough" and blow everything up.
There are lots on the left who would, the problem is how hard that kind of change is and are there enough people who support it.
One thing Cory doesn't get into in that piece are the systemic issues that affect how you can influence policy in the US from a coutner-majoritarian position.
There is no way to have a sustainable three party system in the US set up.
It requires electoral reform or it will just collapse back into two parties.
The only reason it appears to exist in Canada is that regional clustering allows areas to be two-party systems in small regions and maintain some seats.
I think its one and the same, the alternative to trying to be everything for everyone, like the pizzaburger, is in his example, riling people up under one or two issues.
Which would be easy enough, pick one of abortion, racism, corruption, tax breaks for the rich, services and farm out a little anger.
I also always get my pizza with hamburger.Considering Montreal has "pizzaghetti", I probably should have put in a warning that Cory is wrong about no one wanting a pizzaburger, because there is always at least someone who loves that kind of thing.
It's a good combo, like cake with ice cream and pudding, or ice cream and peanuts.
That is a silly dichotomy. Everyone knows that if some of your constituents want pizza and some want burgers the correct response is to give a tax break to the rich.Cory Doctorow with a nice piece about the asymmetry between the Republican party's fear of its base and the Democratic Party's "balance the parts of the coalition" approach and how that approach by the Dems undercuts the Dems themselves.
