The Truth....

Quest4Less

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I've come to the conclusion that we (society) are quickly and severly getting out of hand. Let me explain...

When exactly did it become wrong to speak the truth? Why is it that political correctness takes precedent over the truth?

If you say "all three eyed green people from Mars are left handed", and it happens to be true, then why is it wrong to say it? Obviously my example is facitious (sp?), but you get the idea.

Shouldn't it be o.k. to speak the truth, no matter what?
 

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sometimes the truth hurts and some sensitivity is required however political correctness is going overboard.

like a girlfriend asking you "I've lost five pounds, do you notice ? (and she 30 pounds overweight)". she is looking for encouragement in her own way.
 

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Because all three eyed green people from Mars are left handed happens to be to be false.
I'm right handed.
 

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Perhaps you should address this question to the Toronto Star who invent violations where they don't exist ........last year's laughable article on the Blue Jays was one example . Never let the truth get in the way of a good story must be their motto .
 

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Because truth is often rejected because it does not fit and agenda.
 

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Quest4Less said:
If you say "all three eyed green people from Mars are left handed", and it happens to be true, then why is it wrong to say it? Obviously my example is facitious (sp?), but you get the idea.

Shouldn't it be o.k. to speak the truth, no matter what?
Certainly if there are only 5 three eyed green people from Mars, and it's a fact that they are all left handed...you speak the truth. The problem comes when using the word "all" or even "most" in today's society to attribute a believed characteristic to a group, there's no way you can state that with any accuracy or certainty.

An example would be a statement such as "All kids raised in a same sex parental environment will turn out to be gay". Usually followed by the argument "I know this one guy who was raised by two guys who.....". It's an empty and shallow argument at best and is no more closer to the truth than any other generalities attributed to certain groups.

I'm not sure if this it the "politically" correct way, or simply the "correct" way to view people, but groups are made up of individuals. If you have a large group, let's say 40 million Canadians, and 10% or 4 million share some characteristic. Now, 4 million is a large number, about the population of the GTA. And let's say I'm lucky enough to run into nothing but members of the 4 million club. Sure, the temptation would be to say "ALL" Canadians are......., but the facts are I blew it by 36 million. I may not be aware of the facts, I may chose to believe my narrowminded view, which is when prejudging comes into play.

Even when stating "facts", sometimes the wrong conclusions can be drawn. In your "Mars" example, one might think that all Martian men whack off with their left hand, after all, they are left handed. What you don't know is that all three eyes are on the right side of their face and their Martian pecker is on their right hip...thus, a right handed whacker for sure (I like to watch, lol). Ok, bad example to a serious topic...., but you get the idea.

Truth...or Supposition?
 

shack

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Quest4Less said:
When exactly did it become wrong to speak the truth? Why is it that political correctness takes precedent over the truth?

If you say "all three eyed green people from Mars are left handed", and it happens to be true, then why is it wrong to say it? Obviously my example is facitious (sp?), but you get the idea.
Just curious if this is in relation to Don Cherry's Quebec/Euro/visor comments.

He said that most of the players wearing them are from Quebec and Europe. I was wondering if anybody actually checked to see if he was accurate or not.

Granted, there's venom spewing out of his mouth when he says that and combined with comments he makes regarding the heart of Euro players etc., it is easy to see why people take objection to comments like the visor one. But is what he said the truth or not?
 

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being politicly correct means we are in fear of offending anybody.


Some groups have gone as far are removing gender biased phrases like MANKIND from books. Yes The Bible is one of those books.

Guess some feminatizi groups are too thin skinned to say mankind.


whoops that was not very PC
 

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Re: Re: The Truth....

shack said:
Just curious if this is in relation to Don Cherry's Quebec/Euro/visor comments.

I wondered what sparked the topic, but since Q4L didn't comment on that thread, I figured it was more abstract than specific? If it was based on that thread...then scratch all of my previous rhetoric. If it's a statement of facts...it is what it is. There is a way of stating facts that isn't derogatory, but you still lose your case of "all" if even one doesn't fall into this category.

While my "group" was not the target of Don Cherry's comments, I try to compare it to Rush Limbaugh's comments on Donavan McNabb. Rush's comments were racist in that he said the only reason the media was still propping Donavan up after 2 bad games was because he was Black. Don's comments are either proven fact or fiction by a head count (or visor count). His implication of course was something different. If he is saying because they wear visors makes them less of a player, that "truth" of course is suspect.
 

gramage

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Quest4Less said:
I've come to the conclusion that we (society) are quickly and severly getting out of hand.
and people have only been saying that for as long as the human race has had a spoken language. it's great how older the baby boomers look back at their youth and say how much worse people are now, just like their parents did, and their parents and.....

apparantly the dark ages was really a Utopia that nobody wrote about.
 

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No one really wants to hear the truth, at least not when it comes to them. When someone says they want to hear the truth it means that you are doing a bad job of lying and they want you to sound more convincing.
 

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The term "political correctness" long ago lost any true meaning.

In the late 80's / early 90's, political correctness was primarily about using more inclusive and less offensive language. A good example would be job titles such as fireman or mailman. The "politically correct" terms for those jobs became fire fighter and mail carrier. While this may have seemed silly to some (especially when taking to extremes like changing "manhole covers" to "sanitation covers"), it had a legitimate (and mostly noble) point - terms that were gender specific were dated, silly, and perhaps exclusionary. On the offensive side, it dealt primarily with labels for "groups" - i.e. not calling Natives "Indians", or women "girls", or Southeast Asians "Pakis". Once again there were excesses and silliness (June Rowlands banning the Barenaked Ladies from Nathan Phillips Square comes to mind), but the intent was fairly good.

Over time, the term has been perverted by both ends of the political spectrum. On one side, people have used "political correctness" as almost a jihad against anything that could possible be perceived as "white" and "male". That's a discussion for another day. What bothers me, however, is that people now hurl out the term "being politically correct" to try to blunt (or even legitimize) racist, sexist, or stupid comments that they make. The implication being that, people are only upset at something because its "not politically correct", as opposed to it being legitimately offensive, hurtful, or just plain wrong.

Don Cherry's comments deserve condemnation because they are factually wrong and xenophobic (they aren't "racist" because everyone he was talking about is white).

Those who defend Cherry say that he was "only stating the truth" - the truth allegedly being that "Europeans & French Guys" primarily wear visors, while other players do not. Taken completely out of context, he's generally right. Europeans and, to a lesser degree, French Canadians in the NHL are more likely to wear visors than American and English Canadian players. But the key term is "more likely".

More importantly, Cherry wasn't just stating a fact. He was using that fact to support a broader argument - that players who wear visors are cowardly and more likely to commit high sticking infractions, with the ultimate insinuation being that "Europeans and French Guys" were cowardly and liked waving their sticks in the air - an argument that is not only offensive, but is factually incorrect. The Star recently reviewed every high sticking penalty that had been levied in the NHL this season, and then noted whether the penalized player wore a visor or not. The results? The percentages (both in the top ten offenders and total penalties assessed) pretty much mirrored the ratio of visor and non-visor wearing players.

One correct fact in a spew of bullshit does not equal "the truth".
 
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