This is sickening, how does the world allow this to continue......

[Mia.Colpa]

Another honour killing, 16 year old Turkish girl buried alive just for having male friends, damn, when will this shit stop. Can you imagine, she was killed for having male friends!!! I can't fathom that.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/761525--woman-buried-alive-to-save-family-reputation

I know the younger generation doesn't believe in this, but how do we stop those old thinking, ignorant, mentally deranged, cultural fanatics. This must be a small group so what's so hard to stop this?

It says that the Turkish police arrested the father and grandfather but that's not enough, how about burying the father as well, maybe that'll knock some sense into these fanatics. I'm so sick of hearing about these horrific honour killings, imagine a helpless young girl can get killed for either having male friends, or wearing tight clothes, or just for minding her own business and some male bullies decide to rape her, unbelievable, the poor girl gets killed!!!!!

Why is it the civilized countries of the world can't put a stop to this?

 

[GotGusto]

Why is it the civilized countries of the world can't put a stop to this?

How?

 

[Spanglerdoo]

Is it the law or is it religion that got her killed ?

 

[Danolo]

There can be no situation, no decent society where that can be called "right" whatever the tradition, whatever the religion.

There is just NO excuse for this behaviour.

 

[Hangman]

Why is it the civilized countries of the world can't put a stop to this?

Turkey is a civilized country. They're in NATO and everything. They just happen to have some fucking murderers. So does Canada. So does Britain. So does the US. Sometimes those murderers kill their own children. Their rationale is irrelevant.

Do you think 'civilized' countries can stop that somehow?

This is a matter for the Turks. It is illegal there and their system will deal with it.

 

[CapitalGuy]

Canada has its issues too, sadly.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/alberta/2010/02/03/12731741.html

 

[tboy]

Turkey is a civilized country. They're in NATO and everything. They just happen to have some fucking murderers. So does Canada. So does Britain. So does the US. Sometimes those murderers kill their own children. Their rationale is irrelevant.

Do you think 'civilized' countries can stop that somehow?

This is a matter for the Turks. It is illegal there and their system will deal with it.

exactly. The only time something like this can be used as a reflection of a country (as opposed to a person or religion) is if the authorities do nothing about it. Such as what happens in Dubai...girl was raped and SHE was sent to prison......

 

[tboy]

Canada has its issues too, sadly.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/alberta/2010/02/03/12731741.html

Well, there's obviously some psychological issues at play here, not just an idiotic belief system........

Heck, back in the day Japanese officers committed suicide if they didn't win the engagement.......I believe in honor, but not at the cost of a person's life.

 

[rama putri]

Why is it the civilized countries of the world can't put a stop to this?

Muslims claim they're civilized and their religion is one of love. Western apologists claim most Muslims are peaceful, law abiding humanists. Well, they can stop themselves, right? Let the civilized Islamic countries of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia and others come to their sister's rescue. We're the infidels, remember?

 

[tboy]

Muslims claim they're civilized and their religion is one of love. Western apologists claim most Muslims are peaceful, law abiding humanists. Well, they can stop themselves, right? I say leave them alone to prove me wrong. Maybe, with luck, they'll kill all of themselves.

That was one question put forth to an imam interviewed in ....pakistan? A pakistani reporter was allowed to interview a leader in the taliban and asked: so all these recruits are not schooled in anything other than the reading of the Qu'ran yes? The Imam answered of course, that is all they need to know. So, no one is schooled in mathematics, language, writing, science? No, the Qu'ran is all they need to know...So, none are schooled in medicine, or the treatment of disease? No. So, what happens when all the existing doctors die? Interview over......

So yes, if you let them flourish, eventually they will die off due to disease. Never mind smart bombs, give em the flu......

 

[toughb]

Is it the law or is it religion that got her killed ?

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It's an outdated religious practice. As you know women have no value over there.

The Turkish government has outlawed this practice and when they enforce the law there is jail time.

The extremists are getting around this by having teens do the dirty work because they get a lessor sentence.

In my opinion they're a bunch of sick bastards.

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[doggee_01]

unfortunatly there are a lot of sick uncivilized people in every country- north america sure has had it's share too.
been that way since the dawn of time don't think there will ever be an answer

 

[WhaWhaWha]

With laws like this, Islam is truly in the midst of it's dark ages. Unlike Christianity's dark-ages, which lasted a thousand years, the media-centric world is watching. It may take a generation or two to emerge, but it can't go on indefinitely.

According to media reports, victims would be locked in their rooms for days with rat poison, a pistol or rope, and ordered to spare their families the legal retribution by killing themselves.

If she's smart she'd take the pistol and use it on her family.

 

[Cinema Face]

Unlike Christianity's dark-ages, which lasted a thousand years, the media-centric world is watching. It may take a generation or two to emerge, but it can't go on indefinitely.

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I hope you're right. Until that day happens we need to call Islam for what it is; a barbaric, intolerant belief system.

 

[erictheered]

I'm usually a lurker here, but I have a hard time staying quiet about this kind of shit.
There is a difference between a society that has a certain small percentage of sickos, ie nations in the West, and societies where virtually the entire population is brought up on a religious doctrine that promotes sick behaviour ie middle eastern countries. Its one thing for an individual to have some form of psychological flaw that causes him or her to murder or do other atrocities. Its another when its religiously or culturally motivated.
Islam says it is all about peace and tolerance. If you dig down, you find that Islam provides peace only if you are a Muslim, peace exists only with other Muslims of the same sect (eg Sunni vs Shiite) and tolerance involves allowing Christians to exist only if they pay a tax (the Jizya). Sure, Muslims will point out that there are plenty of passages in the Quran which preach peace and tolerance. Many of these passages are however deemed invalid by passages which were created later, as Muhammed gained more power and became more militant. As Muhammed's followers grew in numbers, the verses in the Quran began to advocate for more violence and intolerance. Hence the calls for the extermination of Jews,Polytheists, and infidels in general.
Islam provides justification in the Quran and the Hadiths that allow men to physically abuse or even kill their wives and daughters (or more distant female relatives for that matter) over issues of "honour" Women in Islam are never supposed to be in contact with men they are not related to (including unrelated males unless they are married to them, in which case they become related to them. The penalty for the "crime" of being in the company of unrelated males is severe. In western countries, which Turkey is considered to be, females are being coerced into committing suicide to restore family honour, to save the males from jail time.
What can be done about this? I don't think this is something we can wait out to let it die off with the older generation. There seems to be younger men following in the footsteps of the elders. I think we need to stop being so damned politically correct about treating this religion with respect. We need to have economic sanctions against any country that allows any form of human rights to be violated on a regular basis. Of course this will never happen because we in the west are drunk and high on middle eastern oil. Imagine if we stopped buying middle eastern oil - do you think that might have an effect on what goes on in these countries? I think it would.
We also need to stop allowing immigration of any person who believes in any doctrine that sanctions violence and denial of basic human rights to any of its followers or non-followers. Of course, this could technically rule out Christians as well (the Bible has some real nastiness in it, particularly in the old Testament, not to mention treatment of gays etc). Personally, I think the world would be much better off without all the mythology that exists. If their were no religion, I'm convinced that wars and many other atrocities would be much more rare. Its time for people to start believing in the spirit that is themselves, stop looking to a prophet and a god to give them "strength".

 

[WoodPeckr]

Remember these are a small minority who still follow this practice so don't go painting them all for it. You have nutcases like this in ALL religions who kill their own because their god says to. Don't forget here in North America we have nutcase bible thumping Jehovah's Witnesses who still believe it's OK and god's will to let their children die rather than allow them to have simple blood transfusions that will save their lives.

 

[C Dick]

There are lots of divergent views about Islam at the moment, ranging from they are just like us, to they are all crazy. My guess would be that for the most part, they are relatively like us. Certainly for every Islamic attrocity, you can find a Christian or North American one. I wonder that percentage of Turks would say they agree with honour killing? I would guess not many.

Even then, it seems that the majority of any population are sheep who believe what the media tell them, I have no doubt that if the Canadian government announced that we were going to be an Islamic republic, with Sharia law, 90% of the population would go along with it, because they do what they are told.

 

[masterchief]

I hope you're right. Until that day happens we need to call Islam for what it is; a barbaric, intolerant belief system.

So what then should we call Christianity, I mean its past is just as blood, dirty and intolerant as every other religion.

I mean a quick look at the skeletons of the Roman Catholic Church will show you wondrous things like sending children to war (The Children’s Crusade of 1212), popes who were criminals (Alexander VI), popes who actually sold the papacy (Benedict IX), others who actually accepted bribes for absolution (Gregory VI), the Spanish Inquisition, the Witchcraft trials , anti woman biases in the revisions of the King James Bible, forced conversion of indigenous peoples, turning a blind eye to genocide … shall I go on?

Let’s not forget the fact that until 1992 the official position of the church was still that Galileo was wrong and the Earth was indeed the centre of the Universe.

Before you call any other culture or religion “barbaric” or "intolerant" maybe you should take a long look at the other ones too.

 

[masterchief]

Personally, I think the world would be much better off without all the mythology that exists. If their were no religion, I'm convinced that wars and many other atrocities would be much more rare. Its time for people to start believing in the spirit that is themselves, stop looking to a prophet and a god to give them "strength".

Yes and maybe we can all put flowers in our hair and hold hands in a circle.

Come on, religion is an excuse for conflict, by our own nature we are a violent species. I can right now think of at least 20 military conflicts that have no relation to religion of any kind, and to think that war would be rare without religion is a such a naïve point of view.

 

[fuji]

It's worthwhile distinguishing the religion from the ethnic culture. My understanding is that the "tradition" of honour killing has more to do with culture than religion in that there are Muslim countries that do not have this tradition, and that it is practiced by some non-Muslims in related cultures as well.