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when you go out with a girl, i tend to try to pay for everything. its the way i was thought and its just the way i've grown up to be....or at least i try to pay for everything.

today, woman are starting to make more money and are receiving most if not all the rights men have. so why should a man really pay for everything now a days? reason for me, its because its just the way things are done in my world.

but then...

i have this friend of mine who went out with this girl for many years. almost a decade. over the course of their relationship, unfortunately my friend has not had the best of luck with money and the girl tend to pay for more stuff. understand...my friend is someone who is more then happy to be at home and live within his means. but the girl is someone who like to go out and do stuff or get easily bored. she insist on going out...when he says.."i dont have money"...she says..i'll pay..lets go out. if he decides not to go out, she gets upset. the cycle goes on for many years. my buddy even considered marrying her because at the end of the day, she does take care of him pretty well...but she is...an emotional bitch on wheels. she's my friend too..but really..she is what she is. there were times when she was jobless...though it was a short time compared to the long relationship they were in...he paid for everything, without a peep. they recently broke up and she got all fixated on money. she basically complained how she pays for soo much over the years and they came to the agreement that he owed her $10K. I told him...FUCK IT...you dont owe her shit. I don't recall in my life time forking out a bill to the girl i end a relationship with. now that they arent officially together...they kinda still are. make no sense and yes...its retarded. they recently went to a concert and they're going away this weekend and she's paying for everything cause she insist...most likely...cause she's bored. she bugs me..and bugs him that...she just wants her money...but unfortunately...my buddy had lost his job 2 months ago. why would she pay for things for someone who she is trying to get to pay her back? and once again, its not like my friend is asking for this. she is the one pushing for it.

though they had agreed on the $10K total...i told him not to pay. its ridiculous. so the question is. do you pay? or not pay?

in my eyes, at the end of the day, i think people shouldnt have to pay for shit at the end of relationship unless it was like borrowed money. like if i were to ask my gf for $1000 to help with this months bill and i'll pay her back later. but things at accumulate through being together...that's "relationship casualty".
 

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He should not have to unless he said he would while in the relationship..
If a man asks me out he pays , if I ask him out I pay. never have I asked for my money back. speaking from a womens side it seems to me she just wants a reason to keep him in her life a bit longer
 

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WTF? Is this a mock total that they agreed upon while they were together for the sake of going out? If it is then he doesn't owe her anything. Tell your friend he needs a reality check and not give her anything.

Why would you pay for everything when you are going out with someone? You are not as bad but if she wants to pay then let her pay. Forget about the old fashioned way when it was proper that the guy ask the girl out and pay for everything. Those days are long gone.

I enjoy paying because I like giving but that doesn't mean that she shouldn't pay for us to go out and do something from time to time.
 

Mikehorn

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Judge Judy tries these kind of cases all the time. She would throw it out unless he admitted or she could prove that he said he would pay it to her. She would say "it's ridiculous madam, it's over, he doesn't want to be with you anymore. Put a period and move on".
 

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As a courtesy to the lady the man always pays the full expences when he takes her out for a date or even a simple outing, its man's responsibility to foot the bills of entertainment as a mark of respect for the lady, but if the female is an SP who charges the gift per hour than its no sense, to hire her and then keep paying for her too, amongst friends the man pay's. Though i had lunch/dinner/outing clubbing & even trips to Niagara Falls, Muskoka Resorts with SP's/MPA's but they never charged their hourly donations for such outing, thus i paid the full bills for the entertainment which is pretty justful and fair.
 
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Brill said:
I don't see how this is your concern, even if he's your friend.
MYOB
If it were my friend, it WOULD be my business to help set him straight and not let him get fleeced.
 
May 22, 2008
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yeah...im not really into that whole...watch my friend drown thing. don't get me wrong. there are times that they just need to learn their own lesson and make the mistake, but that a case by case basis. in this situation, i feel i need to wake him up. its just quite ridiculous, the whole situation. basically they've been going out since high school, and they were never common law, though there were time to time or for months at a time they may stay with each other just to make it easier on themselves cause of travel time.

i guess at the end of the day, it just annoys me that he was actually going to pay her until i told him not to. though he says he agrees with me, he actually hasnt said anything to the girl. probably because he still to a certain extent cares for her but feels they should stay apart...relationship wise. as well, since he's unemployed...its kind of hard for him to say no when someone keeps throwing money at him.

the world if such an interesting place...i wonder how this pans out. if he fucking marries that money grubber im gonna kill myself...lol
 

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Schon said:
As a courtesy to the lady the man always pays the full expences when he takes her out for a date or even a simple outing, its man's responsibility to foot the bills of entertainment as a mark of respect for the lady, but if the female is an SP who charges the gift per hour than its no sense, to hire her and then keep paying for her too, amongst friends the man pay's. Though i had lunch/dinner/outing clubbing & even trips to Niagara Falls, Muskoka Resorts with SP's/MPA's but they never charged their hourly donations for such outing, thus i paid the full bills for the entertainment which is pretty justful and fair.
And in a civilian relationship if a woman asks a man out ... ?




Mikehorn said:
Judge Judy ...
At that point I stopped reading. Nothing intelligent will follow guaranteed.




Brill said:
I don't see how this is your concern, even if he's your friend.
Just a guess, you do not have many close friends.
 

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Ironhead said:
Just a guess, you do not have many close friends.
A few close friends, but I wouldn't try to set them straight on the choices they made in love unless they asked me. If he asked my opinion, I'd tell him not to pay.
The guy in the first post wasn't asked for an opinion.

If this guy decided that he wants to keep seeing his girl with his eyes wide open and knowing the full situation, all I'd do is smile and say nothing.
 

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It would seem that they never had a contract and it's not like he used to pay her back and then stopped so I don't see how she has a case except for the fact that he agreed to give her $10k.
If she has a witness or email or if he simply admits that he agreed that he owes her $10k, he could be fucked.
The fact that she subsequently spent more money on him would help his defence and he certainly should not have to owe her for anything over the $10k unless they have a contract, either written or verbal with proof.

And to the guy who trashed Judge Judy, you may not like her personality but it's highly likely that her understanding of the law is far superior to yours.
 

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If I was with someone for 10 years, the only money problems we'd be worried about is what university to send our kids to.
 

Ironhead

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Malibook said:
And to the guy who trashed Judge Judy, you may not like her personality but it's highly likely that her understanding of the law is far superior to yours.
"guy who trashed Judge Judy" That would be me.

"her understanding of the law is far superior to yours" Ya think ?


I have been in court in Canada many times and the US several times and I never heard a judge use name calling to further intimidate the accused, defendants or witnesses.
That said any idiot stupid enough to sign onto have his/her case heard on a TV program gets what he/she deserves.
 

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Ladyraven said:
Ironhead said:
And in a civilian relationship if a woman asks a man out ... ?

read my post .. if a woman asks a man out . then the woman should pay!!!
we wanted equal rights and blah blah blah.. so its only fair
I understand and agree.
Another poster, Schon, made it sound like men should pay every time.
 

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Ironhead said:
"guy who trashed Judge Judy" That would be me.

"her understanding of the law is far superior to yours" Ya think ?


I have been in court in Canada many times and the US several times and I never heard a judge use name calling to further intimidate the accused, defendants or witnesses.
That said any idiot stupid enough to sign onto have his/her case heard on a TV program gets what he/she deserves.
You may not like her TV show but this does not mean that someone who cites some of her rulings has nothing intelligent to contribute and should be instantly discredited.
 
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