Trip to Vegas with local SP

shack

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This is turning out to be quite a year. In February, I was in Thailand for 2 weeks for a golf/sex trip. Today I've just returned from a 4 day getaway to Las Vegas with a lovely young lady who works out of Toronto.

In fairness to the lass I will not reveal her identity or certain details of our arrangements, i.e. money exchanged or our time together, but do hope to give you all a good idea of how things came to pass and whether it was a worthwhile experience.

I first met the lady about 6 weeks ago when she was introduced to me by another local lady as part of a bi-threesome. She seemed pleasant, but I was in no way blown away by her. Seeing as she had given me her number, I decided to meet her again, just the 2 of us.

On this occasion, we really seemed to click. I'm not sure why, but towards the end of the evening I threw up a trial balloon suggesting we could have a good time together for a weekend getaway. BTW, I have never travelled with an SP before. Not surprisingly, she was somewhat hesitant but did not dismiss the proposition out of hand. I told her to think about it, what her requirements would be and I would give her more info as to what I would expect, how I would treat her and what would be within my budget and we could discuss it further the next time we got together.

This process evolved over the next 2 or 3 encounters, which by the way, was a demonstration to both of us that we seemed to be compatible.Our sessions were very satisfying, both sexually and on a personality basis to both of us and they seemed to improve each time.

It seemed we'd have no problem being travelling companions, but the delicate issue was the discussion of compensation for the lady. I told her that in no way would I or could I part with the kind of daily rate that is advertised on some of the ladies' websites. I told her she would have everything paid for while in my company, excluding shopping and gambling and she would be well looked after and treated with respect. I threw out a number to start the ball rolling. It didn't take long as we had a mutual trust and the idea appealed to both of us. We finally agreed on a fee which was 50% higher than my opening offer, but what I still considered to be very fair and nowhere near other daily rates. As an aside, I, and as others have mentioned on this board, feel those rates are outlandish. If someone were to offer me an all expense vacation, I'd take it in an instant let alone ask for 2-5K per day on top.

Flight (AC) and accommodations (The Venetian) were arranged by me on suitable dates for us.My only concern at this point was knowing that, as other members here can attest to, not all ladies in this profession are the most reliable creatures in our society and I was making an outlay of money which would not be recoverable if I got stood up. BTW, part of our deal was I would give her 2/3 up front and the balance upon return. I gave her a cheque which would clear her bank 2 weeks before our departure so she knew I was serious.

My fears, though not overly large, did prove to be without merit. I picked her up on Thursday,and came back to my place to await the limo to the airport.

Another interesting point, which I think added to my excitement and anticipation, was that this young lady, had never been out of Ontario and had never been on an airplane. (I did say she was young.) I could therefore understand a certain level of anxiety on her part and I took it upon myself as an important part of my responsibility to make sure that I took good care of her and that she would have an enjoyable experience with no regrets.

As far as the actual trip went, everything was absolutely lovely. No problems in transit, accommodations were superb, world class hotels, restaurants and entertainment (Penn and Teller, Carrot Top and Cirque du Soleil..we were to see The Who but..). The weather was as to be as expected, time by the pool, shopping some gambling (only lost $175..played blackjack everyday at the $15 tables) and intimacy whenever either one of us was in the mood. It was not forced as we genuinely enjoyed eachothers' company. We were with each other 24/7 and got along marvellously. We were boyfriend and girlfriend for the weekend, a truly satisfying experience. p.s.She does have a boyfriend in real life who fortunately didn't mind (too much that is).

On our return this morning (Took the red-eye,left LV at midnight and returned at 7:30) I thanked her sincerely for the opportunity to show her a good time and for her being such a good companion and she responded in kind by saying she had the best time of her life.She wants to know when we can go away again but that the arrangements would be different next time...she doesn't want any money. I guess I done good.

Well, that's the story. What more can I say except that I may even still be smiling when I walk in the office tomorrow, which is saying a lot. Oh yeah, there was a Krispy Kreme right in the hotel.
 
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Hi Fred. Just wondering if you could move this to the Escort Review section?
 

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Sorry I didn't give you all the info you were looking for, but I do believe there is some useful information here.

It's nice to know that not all the ladies out there are cold, hard money-grubbers. (And I'm not saying the other ladies I've met are.) It is possible to find some that are more interested in the quality of the time spent than the amount of money spent. This is an extension of the idea that if the ladies are treated well we can get that GFE for a whole weekend instead of for an hour or two and it doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg, or some other appendage.

Although the exact rate wasn't specified, one can glean that the price was significantly lower than we normally see posted on SP websites.

As for services, this is a lady who has been previously reviewed and nothing on my menu was different than on others, so there was no NEW info there. If her previous reviews didn't attract you then, I don't suppose they would now either.

Do you propose that I divulge her name and rates so that every Tom, Dick or Recruiter can call her up and say that you did it for shack, so you should do it for me? She could advertise that information herself if that was her intention.

As far as what to engage in, engage in whatever interests you. I was ready for a trip like this and now others who may have been thinking of doing the same have at least one testimonial to know it can be had. They have to find the lady that's right for them, not the lady that was right for me.

The quality of this type of experience is greatly dependant upon the individuals, as you are spending a lot of time together. Your true characteristics and personalities come out a lot more when you are together all day for several days than in a 1 hour or even all evening session when we (hobbyists and SP's alike) only have to be on our best behaviour for a relatively short time. In this particular case, the lady felt comfortable being with me and trusted me after getting to know me. This is something she had never done before and I don't think it's something she's going to partake of on a regular basis even now. If she does, it will be her choice, not because I reviewed her.

I had told her that I'd like to post and she specifically requested that I do not post name or rates. I am not about to betray that trust. (That is, unless, you can promise me that you would be a more fun date for the weekend, Recruiter.)

I'm sorry if you feel it's a sin for me to share my good time experience with my TERB neighbours and that it was such a waste of time and bandwidth. I think there is some merit to the post and I hope that at least some of the others here feel the same.

p.s. You're right. Vegas is a gas. I hadn't been there for 6 years and will make sure it's not that long between visits again.
 

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Good Post Shack

Its just the kind of thing I enjoy reading about. Dollar figure would be interesting and who this sp is would be good, but I doubt many could afford sucha lavish trip I know its out of my range. Chemistry, enjoyment, and a good story is much more telling than daty and a bbbj any day.
 

shack

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costs

I'd estimate (because I didn't keep exact tabs) air, room, food, drink and shows to be around $3,500 for the two of us. My kids may piss on my grave for what I leave them, but at least I'll have a smile on my face.

I spend more than I should, but after seeing things like 9/11 and John Entwistle and others dying suddenly at relatively young ages, it makes me feel that I should enjoy myself while I can. We all have to decide for ourselves what's the right balance between living for today and planning for the future.
 
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I enjoyed the post. I have tried to make this kind of trip a couple of times. (Europe, Cuba). Not well thought out, and girls refused...but one called me after I had left. I am easy to trust..and I even offered a separate room in case she worried about things getting out of hand.
A girl who has never been out of Ontario is a fantasy alone to me. How easy is it to make a girl like this have a good time? Educating younger women (about the world) is a tremendous pleasure for me. Well done. If only I had the time....
 

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glad you posted this!

Shack,

Thanks for posting this bit! I understand why some guys want details, but I think that you provided some very useful and valid information.

IMHO, only a small percentage of clients bring up "vacation" calls, so both SP's and hobbyists can have unrealistic expectations about these trips. I'm glad that you pointed out that personal chemistry and a good comfort level are important. It's easy to spend a couple of hours together. . . . but spending a few days together is entirely different!!

I think it's also a good idea to discuss your expectations and schedule prior to leaving. For example: What sort of activities do you like - sports, shows, lounging by the pool, etc? How casual/dressed up will it be? Is there a night owl/early bird conflict with sleeping? This sort of basic info can help to prevent those disasters that we've all heard about! Of course, she should try to adapt to your plans, but it's better to pick someone with a similar personality - not just a killer bod! (But yes, that helps!)
 

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To Recruiter

I do understand your wishes to know more and indeed, it would be valuable information. However, as I mentioned, I feel I must respect the ladie's wishes on this matter. Is it not possible to at least use the information that was provided and take it for what it's worth? Your approach seems to be that if you can't have ALL the info then you don't want any at all.
 
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A1Provider

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You said "I told her that in no way would I or could I part with the kind of daily rate that is advertised on some of the ladies' websites. I told her she would have everything paid for while in my company, excluding shopping and gambling and she would be well looked after and treated with respect. I threw out a number to start the ball rolling. It didn't take long as we had a mutual trust and the idea appealed to both of us. We finally agreed on a fee which was 50% higher than my opening offer, but what I still considered to be very fair and nowhere near other daily rates. As an aside, I, and as others have mentioned on this board, feel those rates are outlandish. If someone were to offer me an all expense vacation, I'd take it in an instant let alone ask for 2-5K per day on top. "

SHACK-Lets turn the tables around and say that your boss told you that he wanted you to join him at a convention in Las Vegas for a week. Yes he would agree to pay for everything(flight, food, hotel, cabs, and a show or two and a bit of gambling when the two of you were not working). But your boss "told you that in no way would he or could he part with the kind of daily/weekly rate" that he usually gives you when you are working back in Toronto. WHAT WOULD YOUR RESPONSE BE? Would you say yes boss I would take it in an instant dont worry about my usual wages of 2-5K on top, because it is an all expense paid trip? Would his request not be the 'outlandish' request? Would you think you should be labelled as money hungry for demanding what tou feel you and your time is worth? Just a reasonable request right.
Would you not tell him that he is being unreasonable, and feel used and disrespected for him even implying that you and your time is not worth the money? Could you explain to your bill collectors(wife, kids, grocery, banker who lends you money for you mortgage, or landlord, Bell Canada, Rogers Cable, car insurance company, gas company, credit card company etc.) and all the other financial obligations and responsibilites you have in your every day life why you are missing a weeks pay, because your boss took you on an all expense paid trip to Vegas. Would they say ok I understand , you can pay later, how could you turn down such a 'good' offer of an all expense paid vacation? GIVE ME A BREAK. We ALL (escorts included, if you did not realize or take the time to consider) live in the 'real adult world', with 'real' responsibilites and financial obligations. Do some of you men think that because escorts make their living by having sex for money that means we dont have or deserve the same rights as you or that someone of a different profession has without being accused of being a money grubbing slut? Give me a break. Nothing in life is free and that includes your time or mine. Even though she was in Vegas with you she was still working right. You expected her to have sex with you right. So therefore it is not just a vacation for her, it is still work., she still has to be 'on', and cater to your wishes and desires. No matter how good you think you are in bed or if she enjoyed herself.

"My only concern at this point was knowing that, as other members here can attest to, not all ladies in this profession are the most reliable creatures in our society." This statement you made spoke volumes about what you REALLY feel about escorts!!!!!!! That us 'creatures' are different and less then others in this society.
SHACK-some of you guys want your cake and eat it too! You want a no stings attached sexual encounter, but also an affectinate GFE (but not 'too much' like your girlfriend, hence your reason you visit SP's-we shouldn't talk as much or as bitchy or as opinionated or ask you if you love us). You expect her to be on time and professional as many have you stated that 'this biz' is still a business. But the minute an escort becomes professional and business like when it comes to finances she is cold and just a money gubbing and hungry bitch. Now what is it? Do you want us to be professional and business like 'only' when it is in your best interest? Give some guys an inch and they will take a mile!!
P.S. Why am I not surprised that this escort as you said was very young and had not even travelled out of Ontario??? Young , naive, inexperienced with the way the world works and has not seen outside of her own province. Like taking candy from a baby, dont you think. I agree with RECRUITER. What was your purpose of telling everyone on a 'escort review board' about your big great cheap weekend with a young escort. Smells like bragging to me. Or trying to remind the other mature and intelligent escorts that their day rates are outlandish and unreasonable. I am with RECRUITER that you should have published her name so I could give her a call and give her some good advice about knowing her worth and not being afraid or ashamed of demanding that it be respected.
 
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A1Provider

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RE:Sheik

You are right the boss/employee analogy is a bit different. Most people can work in a company for more than 20 years and get benefits and their wages can increase and may have stock options and a retirement plan. An escort does not have that luxury and thus her rate and fees reflect this fact. It is not her fault if his wages does not allow him to spend that much time with her. I walked into to a store in Yorkville and I saw a beautiful purse that I liked but if was beyond my budget ($3000) I did not bargain with the store owner I jusy sighed and walked out of the store and fantasized about the purse and bought a cheaper knock off version. What gives some guys the belief that they can haggle down an escorts price but demand the same quality service. And they would never do this to other service providers in society. Rude, disrespectful and unrealistic. And if I want a vacation I will make the money myself and go away with my friends, and would have the freedom to have sex with who I want when I want. That is a vacation to me. I have travelled to every continent on the globe without needing a client to take me. That would not be a vacation to me. It would still be work with a change of venue.
 
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Willywants

Travel! Travel! Travel!

A Dream Come True!
I have been travelling the globe for 42 years of my young life, not counting the teenage excursions to Buffalo and NYC!
Most of my travels have been for business purposes, but in the company of other people, mostly women! Pure business ethics precluded any untoward advances or dalliances! In my business, as in many, a good reputation means everything!
However, having spent many a lonely night, and sometimes day, I have often wished for some non business related female company to walk with, talk with and, compatibility warranting, sleep with!
And just for the curious, yes, I have had the late night knocks on my hotel room door. And despite the beauty, youth and apparent desperation of some of the ladies, I have refused entry and escorted them back to their rooms! Geez! What a frustrating job!!
Given I could afford it, I would love to travel with a lovely lady and spend some quality time revisiting some of the exotic destinations I have experienced over the years!
Europe extensively, particularly Italy and Greece, Egypt, cruising on the Nile, Bermuda, Rio, Ireland, and even India!
To see some of these places again through someone elses youthful eyes would be a treat!
And if there's a bit of loving there as well; Bonus!!

Shack! Thanks for the memories! Thank you more for the resolve I now have to eventually make the dream come true!

Willywants (to convince the wife that I have another business trip coming up!)

PS: I will be off to Europe again in October! Wish I could fit an SP in my suitcase!
 

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Re:Sheik

Sheik as someone who runs their own business you should know. Yes most of the women may not see clients 5 days a week at 8 hours a day, but that does not mean we are not clocking in a lot more hours doing many different work related things. Buying lingerie and other work suplies, working out getting manicures and pedicures and facials, tanning, waxing, submitting advertising in print and web and dropping off payments, paying bills for apartments , phone lines, etc. Verifying clients so we are safe, protecting ourselves from crazies like the Natural, etc., etc, etc. To imply that we just wake at 1pm and are ready to see a client without any prior work or prepartion is insane.
P.S.- Sheik I would love to run your business. Most successful business men I know barely have the time to sleep much less have the time to post on so many boards so often, and visit so many escorts. Sheik what is your secrect? Do you ever sleep, I am serious, here!!!
 

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Exceptions To Every Rule

Ok Willy you dont have to convince me, I will come with you. You would be the exception to the rule. I have read most of your intelligent, poetic and humourous posts and I believe you are a total gentlemen. Never, ever has there even been a hint that you did not love women and respect women or escorts in any of your posts. I thank you for that Willy!!!!! I am only 24, I hope you dont mind, I do have a preference for older men. I am university educated and speak other languages. If you look like Sean Connery or have an exotic accent I will pay your expenses LOL. I love the wine regions of France, Venice and Rome and we have to visit the Greek islands (get your mind out of the gutter, I mean the lovely and beautiful and romantic Santorini).

A1Provider wants Willywants to take her on a 'real' vacation like Europe. How lucky would any woman be to have such a gentlemen escort her through the romantic streets of Rome.
 
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Willywants

Bedtime! Yawn!!

A1Provider said:
Ok Willy you dont have to convince me, I will come with you. You would be the exception to the rule. I have read most of your intelligent, poetic and humourous posts and I believe you are a total gentlemen. Never, ever has there even been a hint that you did not love women and respect women or escorts in any of your posts. I thank you for that Willy!!!!! I am only 24, I hope you dont mind, I do have a preference for older men. I am university educated and speak other languages. If you look like Sean Connery or have an exotic accent I will pay your expenses LOL. I love the wine regions of France, Venice and Rome and we have to visit the Greek islands (get your mind out of the gutter, I mean the lovely and beautiful and romantic Santorini).

A1Provider wants Willywants to take her on a 'real' vacation like Europe. How lucky would any woman be to have such a gentlemen escort her through the romantic streets of Rome.
But will you sleep with me and let me cuddle you and massage you and make mad passionate love to you!
Boy! Will I find room for you in my suitcase! I'll just leave my underwear out!

Sitting atop the lip of the ancient volcano that comprises Thera, in the Taverna, sharing a bottle of fine wine, watching the sunset, and the toy ship bobbing in the crater below!
I speak no Greek, but English is prevalent with a gentle braille accent!
No Sean Connery look alike here, and the only other accent I have is the one I put on love making!
Does that mean I'll have to pay my own way now???

Willywants (to travel in the style he has not been accustomed to!)
 

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to SPs (e.g. Kiarra)

I've been on the customer side of such an arrangement and it worked out very well but I know that was mostly luck. Any customer with any brains will want you to be comfortable because he will not have a good time if you are nervous. So if you are at all interested think about what it would take to make you comfortable.

One thing I would suggest is that you ask for enough up front so that you can pay for your own ticket. A ticket which has been paid for by someone else might be hard to change. With a ticket you know you can change you can bail at any time. And you can insist that you be paid daily. You could mail the payment to your home address or to a (very close and trusted) friend. Or, better, establish an account at a very large bank which has an office in the town you will be visiting and make daily deposits. (As a client I don't like that part about giving the SP enough up front so that she can pay for her own ticket. But the stock market teaches me every day that investments are sometimes lost. No risk, no gain.)

Maybe you want to check out where you'll be staying so that you know it's a nice place and that there will always be people within earshot.

I'd ask what you'll be doing every day. I am surprised that the girl I did this with did not die of bordom. I am much older than she is and only wanted to relax (well ... and have sex, of course). The only thing we "did" every day was to go out for dinner. And some movies.

For you guys ... not much point in my going into details as the girl was from Buenos Aires. But since you might want to know anyway I paid her $2000 US for 8 nights, remember that she had to spend two additional nights on an airplane as all flights from BA to Cancun, Mexico are overnighters. You can flame me for taking advantage of the Argentine economic situation but that was all I could afford. Considering the airfares and very nice hotel and very nice meals I really ended up spending more than my economic situation warrants.

(I don't mind questions but note that I will be away for most of the next two weeks.)

Bob
 

A1Provider

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To Willywants and his 'Willy'

Yesssssssss I will still go with you!!! A sense of humour, intelligence, and a romanatic respectful gentleman and you will probably be the one beating me off with a stick, Willy.LOL I would rock your world every single night. I may come home with you. LOL I guess I am not the type of gift you can explain to the wife. LOL
P.S. I love your writing stlye and your respectful and funny posts. They truly are a breath of fresh air in this terb community!
WILLY you truly are a diamond in the ruff, a one of a kind!!!!
 
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Willywants

A Gentle Beating!

Well A1!
I am very pleased to think you wouldn't run!
At my age I could have a hard time catching you!
As far as beating you off with a stick is concerned, I don't see a problem, as long as it is a "stick" of my choosing! Lol!
As far as bringing you home???? I could always say to the wife, "Hey sweetheart! Look what I found on my trip to Europe! Can I keep her?"
Of course you would have to sleep on the couch! You know! The one I keep winding up on! Lol!
Keep the dreams! They have a strange way of eventually becoming reality!

Willywants (to start making arrangements for the trip of a lifetime!)
 

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I think the "regular job" analogy that A1 trashes does indeed apply. I have taken an SP to Las Vegas a couple of times, at greatly reduced negotiated rates, with mixed results.

I have also offered my staff at work trips to conventions in nice places, where I am willing to pay for all the travel and accomodation, but they do not get paid their regular wages. I do not put any pressure on them to go: some regard it as a real opportunity to travel and go and have a good time, others regard it as an opporunity to work and not get paid, so they do not go, either way everyone is happy. It is not worth my while to pay them to go, if I am going to pay them, I will pay them to work here instead. So I do not think it is immoral to make them the offer, as long as there is no pressure to go or face consequences.

I think the same thing is true with an SP. It would not be worth it for me to pay an SP $4,000 per day to go. It was worth the price of the trip and some extras, so I offered. It turned out that she welcomed the chance to get away, and enjoyed herself a lot more than at home working, so again, everyone was happy.
 
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