Trouble's brewing in Android land

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Trouble's brewing in Android land

The Android OS dominates the mobile landscape, outselling all rivals combined in most countries. The only serious challenger, Apple's iOS, earns much more money for Apple than Android earns for Google and all its hardware partners combined, but when it comes to market share, Android is king. So why does the Android ecosystem appear to be troubled?

HTC is in disarray, as its Android sales struggle in the face of the dominant Samsung, which is the only Android device maker to profit from Android. Google's Nexus devices have so-so sales, perhaps because they tend to be middle-of-the-road devices that don't inspire large populations the way Samsung and Apple do. Ditto for its Motorola Mobility unit. In fact, Google seems to have backed off on Android, focusing instead on Chrome OS and its array of data-mining services, which is where the company actually makes its money.

Then there's Samsung, which sells by far the most Android devices and makes real money from them. Yet it apparently has stolen secret Apple information in defiance of the courts, cheats on industry benchmarks, and abuses the patent system to undermine Apple, a key customer if also a key competitor. It also stoops to announcing all-but-nonexistent products, such as the curved-glass Samsung Round last week, a pathetic attempt to pretend to be first. (HTC plans a similar product, so Samsung cobbled together a prototype that may never actually reach the market.) Such actions reek of desperation, not success.

What's going on in Android land is a series of sometimes unrelated events that intertwine in ways that aren't good for Android's future.

HTC's desperation to matter again

For example, HTC's troubles are not so much about Android but about not delivering compelling products regularly. HTC was the first company to offer a compelling Android device, the Droid Eris, in 2009, then all but disappeared in terms of innovation for the next three years. Its products were run-of-the-mill, inspiring little passion. And users have complained for years that HTC smartphones tend to break after a year of operation. Although this year's HTC One is a stylish smartphone that's a personal favorite of mine, it has done little to make HTC a leader in the Android market.

As a result, the company is in chaos, according to news reports. It's losing money, has laid off employees, and may need to get an infusion of cash from another company, ending its independence.

Samsung's misguided and perhaps unethical strategy

Samsung holds the leadership role in Android, thanks to strong efforts in 2011 and 2012 to make innovative, compelling products, such as the Galaxy Note series of smartphones, the Note series of tablets, and the very nice Galaxy S III. This year's Galaxy S 4 may have jumped the shark, despite its improved physical design, because of its mishmash of partially completed software, but Samsung still has plenty of momentum from those earlier products in buyers' minds.

On the other hand, Samsung appears to be losing steam and sullying its reputation with poor products. The Galaxy S 4 seems to be the turning point; it's not bad, but it brought a lower level of quality. The Galaxy Gear smart watch by all accounts is just a mediocre product, not even as good as two-year-old smart watch prototypes such as the Wimm One (now owned by Google, so stay tuned!). My best guess: Samsung is reacting to rumors of what Apple might be doing and releasing products -- unfinished or not -- to be first, damn the consequences of selling crap. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple is intentionally leaking such rumors to provoke Samsung to keep being stupid.

But more is going on at Samsung than misguided product development. I was appalled to learn that Samsung has apparently stolen secret Apple-Nokia patent licensing details given to its outside lawyers in one of the many court cases involving Samsung and Apple. Worse, according to a deposition filed by Nokia to the court involved, Samsung executive Seungho Ahn acknowledged the receipt and claimed "all information leaks." If true, that is criminal behavior -- literally -- not merely unethical.

There are other reasons to distrust Samsung's ethical compass. As tech site AnandTech demonstrated, Samsung designs its hardware to perform better when industry-standard benchmarks are running, creating a falsely high score that users don't actually experience in real-world usage. (For the record, Samsung denies the allegations, but AnandTech is highly credible and has no reason to lie.) There's a long history of such cheating in the PC industry, and AnandTech demonstrated that HTC, LG, and other Android makers use similar tricks in their devices. As our mothers told us, just because others are dishonest doesn't mean you should be too.

Certainly, Samsung can afford to take the high road. But it chooses not to. By contrast, both Apple and Motorola Mobility don't cheat, according to AnandTech. They're also not so coincidentally the only two mobile device makers to provide honest sales numbers, of devices actually purchased by users, not stuffed into sales channels.

Then there's Samsung's abuse of the patent system, specifically the notion of FRAND patents, which are patents incorporated into industry standards on the condition they're licensed under fair, reasonable, and nondiscriminatory terms to all companies that want a license. But Samsung tried to charge Apple more money to use certain FRAND patents than it charged other companies, in an apparent attempt to put Apple's iPhones at a disadvantage to Samsung's Android devices. Apple balked, launching what has become a series of lawsuits to end the practice, even getting Microsoft's help, since Samsung's FRAND abuse threatens the entire notion of using patents in technical standards. This battle has been raging in the courts for years, and most courts are finding that Samsung has indeed abused the FRAND principle. It's an unethical use of FRAND, and I'm glad the courts recognize it for what it is.

All of those incidents reminded me of another ethically challenged moment at Samsung: Two years ago, Samsung flew some clearly naive Asian bloggers to Germany, ostensibly to cover IFA, a big German tech trade show. Once the bloggers were in Germany, they were told they had to work the booth wearing Samsung attire if they wanted their tickets home -- the bloggers felt duped and ended up being sent home early, missing the show they went to cover. Samsung said the incident was based on a misunderstanding.

I thought little of that Germany incident at the time, but looking at Samsung's pattern of behavior since, I'm troubled by what appears to be an unethical culture. Where there's repeated smoke, there's fire. I'm inclined to avoid the fire, meaning avoid Samsung products.

None of this is good for Android given Samsung's preeminent position.

Google's focus on Chrome OS over Android

In 2007, Android was a new mobile platform from an industry association called the Open Handset Alliance of which Google was the leading member. Many of today's Android makers, such as Motorola and HTC, were members. The goal was to have an industry-standard platform that members could modify as they saw fit. That's exactly what happened.

But over time, Android became a de facto Google product -- Google does the development, releasing the final code only after it has released its own products using it. Android is free and openly licensed, but it doesn't follow the community development principles of open source. There is a version released to the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), but that iteration isn't quite the same, as Google's edition includes proprietary technology -- creating a tension that moved AOSP's longtime engineering leader, Jean-Baptiste Quéru, to quit in frustration earlier this year.

At the same time, Google seems less focused on Android. The last three versions (3.0 "Honeycomb," 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich," and 4.x "Jelly Bean") have been increasingly incremental upgrades, and the fact that the forthcoming 4.4 "KitKat" is also a 4.x suggests it will be more of the same. Of course, you could easily argue that iOS 5, iOS 6, and iOS 7 were likewise incremental updates to iOS, though they were bigger increments than recent Android versions have been.

Since Google co-founder Larry Page became CEO in 2011, Google has sharpened its focus on its core business: strip-mining users' personal data to sell ads and insights to vendors. That's why you now see ads in Gmail on the Web (Yahoo does in its Webmail service as well), for example. Services like Google Now and Google Search track all sorts of details about users' digital and physical activities to offer personalized assistance and feed the desire for targeting information by vendors.

Google has made these services much more available for competing platforms such as iOS than in the past, which makes sense if the goal is to mine users' data. It's also made a huge push on Chrome OS, a browser-based operating system launched to fanfare in late 2010 that suffered poor adoption because it could do very little. But this year, Chrome OS has started to get some traction as an entry-level laptop, and the number of PC makers adopting it has grown. In addition, Google has worked on its Chrome browser, which is available for all leading PC and mobile operating systems, to essentially bring Chrome OS into those alien OSes.

Although Google continues to develop Android hardware of its own -- through partnerships under the Nexus brand and through its Motorola Mobility subsidiary -- they've not been the aspirational flagships that Google had originally promised. Instead, devices such as the Nexus 4, Nexus 7, Nexus 10, and Moto X have been middling products that seem more intended to encourage use of the pure Google Android UI, which of course emphasizes its data-mining services, than to push the Android platform itself forward. Remember, Samsung is the one that's been trying to innovate on Android, not Google.

Google's emphasis on Chrome and Google's services means there's less need for Android, which Google used initially as a vehicle to get its technology into lots of hands. Mission accomplished. Its technology is in pretty much every other platform now as well. Google has long believed in the notion of the Web as computer, and I believe Android was an interim step until Chrome OS was perfected. Chrome OS is not yet perfected, but it seems to be Google's key vehicle going forward.

That's why I believe Android's pace has slowed and AOSP is no longer that important to Google. None of this is an immediate threat to the Android platform, but at some point, Google is likely to stop investing in Android's development and leave a lot of companies in the lurch. It's possible that Samsung would take over Android, but it's focused on Tizen as an adjunct OS or, if needed, as a replacement for Android. It's hard to imagine others picking up Android successfully; the history of open source mobile OSes is one big string of failures: Moblin, Symbian, Maemo, MeeGo, WebOS, and likely Mozilla's Firefox OS. (Canonical's Ubuntu Touch may find a niche.)

Another scenario would have Android devolve into the Internet of things, as Chrome takes over the smartphone, tablet, and other personal computing realms. Android is already used by developers for embedded systems, Google uses it in its own Google Glass eyewear, and there are reports that the failed Google TV will be rebranded Android TV as part of a repositioning of Android into embedded systems. That might make sense for Google services like Glass and TV where Google can mine user behavior and data, but for other embedded uses, there's no clear economic value to Google.

No immediate danger for Android

HTC could disappear tomorrow, and the Android world would be unharmed. Samsung could lose market share by turning off buyers and Android would continue, with device makers such as LG filling in the gaps. Google and Motorola could continue to make middling Android products without harming Android as a whole. Executing on its Chrome strategy will take Google at least several more years, so Android remains necessary to its ambitions for what is a long time in the tech industry.

But the confluence of all these trends threatens Android over the longer term. As Android becomes less important to Google and if only Samsung is able to make money from Android, the market will shrink to Samsung, whose ability to compete on technology against Apple over the long term is an open question. Apple is all about making money, not grabbing unprofitable market share, so I don't see iOS pushing aside Android outside of a few markets like the United States and Japan, where market differences come into play. In the States, for example, carrier subsidies make iPhones just a little pricier than Android devices, so more people can afford Apple's superior platform.

In the rest of the world, price matters quite a bit, which is why in places like China and India very cheap Android devices sell very well -- never mind that they tend to run old versions of Android and would be considered barely functional in developed countries. Apple will target the rich buyers, leaving Samsung, LG, and so forth to try to find a niche between the rich and poor -- in countries with small middle classes.

Moreover, these supercheap Android devices don't do much for Google, as they can't run its data-mining services that well, outside of Gmail. Plus, China blocks a lot of Google's services, partly to control citizens' data access and partly, I believe, to keep its citizens' data for its homegrown companies' use. This reality means that huge Android sales in such countries isn't that economically important to today's Android leaders, and the future potential is one that requires calculated investments.

Nonetheless, Android fans in developed countries will enjoy Android for the foreseeable future. Just don't be surprised one day to discover that Android is less than it was.
 

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This author can't possibly have an agenda can he?

"Galen is author of iOS 7: The "Just What You Need" Book, OS X Mavericks: The "Just What You Need" Book, and iBooks Author For Dummies"

Android has issues and I'm not crazy about the direction google is taking. I'll be taking a good look at alternatives to android for my next phone, but this article is waste of time..
 

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This author can't possibly have an agenda can he?

"Galen is author of iOS 7: The "Just What You Need" Book, OS X Mavericks: The "Just What You Need" Book, and iBooks Author For Dummies"

Android has issues and I'm not crazy about the direction google is taking. I'll be taking a good look at alternatives to android for my next phone, but this article is waste of time..
Curious. What are your concerns about Google's direction?
 

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Trouble's brewing in Android land....
Looks like a great time to buy MORE APPL bottie....and not miss that ride up to 1$K.....:wink:

Don't be a fool and miss this 'golden buying opportunity' bottie!!!......:thumb:
 

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Curious. What are your concerns about Google's direction?
Their obsession with forcing google plus on everyone is ruining other software. It started for me with replacing Talk with Hangouts. It's absolute garbage for a whole host of reasons. One is an instant messenger and the other is a glorified SMS program. As a replacement for G+ messenger it would make sense, but is certainly does not replace talk. It was also far from being ready, I wouldn't even call it a beta, I'd call it an alpha release. The next (and I can't believe it doesn't get more press) is they savaged Maps, which arguably was THE program that put android at the head of the pack. The new version looks a little prettier, but is a step backwards in pretty much every other way. Absolutely slammed in the reviews.

There are other examples of removing/downgrading applications that don't impact me personally, such as latitude but I don't doubt there will be more to come. For now I've forced both talk and the old maps onto my phone/tablet, but I'm sure a point will come when I have no choice but to "upgrade"
 

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This author can't possibly have an agenda can he?

"Galen is author of iOS 7: The "Just What You Need" Book, OS X Mavericks: The "Just What You Need" Book, and iBooks Author For Dummies"

Android has issues and I'm not crazy about the direction google is taking. I'll be taking a good look at alternatives to android for my next phone, but this article is waste of time..
Beyond the ad hominem objection (which is usually a sign of weakness), what specifically do you disagree with in this article.

OTB
 

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Beyond the ad hominem objection (which is usually a sign of weakness), what specifically do you disagree with in this article.

OTB
He starts off going on about HTC going downhill and makes it appear that it's an android issue. It's not, it's an HTC issue.

He suggests that the S4 "jumped the shark". It's not the quantum leap that the S3 was, but that was such a good phone what really could they do? Sort of like the iterations of the iphone. The difference between them becomes less and less. The S4 may only be a little bit better than the S3, but that's more of a reflection about how good the S3 is than how "bad" the S4 is. My girlfriend has the S3 so I've used it quite a bit and it's still a far superior phone than the latest iphone.

He refers to the galaxy watch. He's not used it himself but instead uses the "accounts" of others. He continues on with baseless speculation as to their motives. Once he's actually used it and spoken to samsung engineers, perhaps then he can post something worthy of your bolding.

I don't disagree with any statements regarding companies and the list of patent stealing, idea copying etc. But let's not pretend that others don't do the same. Again, irrelevant to the future of android. Same with lies on sales numbers. If they fudge them numbers, that's stupid, but it's a samsung issue, not an android one.

He talks about google using data mining, sending ads, etc as though this is some amazing revelation he just came across. This is no secret and is not the news he's portraying it as.

What does he base his statements about the Nexus lines of products on? I understand it's been quite successful. I've seen them sell out frequently.

" In the States, for example, carrier subsidies make iPhones just a little pricier than Android devices, so more people can afford Apple's superior platform."
This one sentence alone displays why his article is a complete waste of the readers time. This is a matter of opinion and has no place in a factual article of this nature.

It also contradicts my personal experience as a phone owner and watching the people around me. I've used many forms of android and I've used iphones. In my opinion iphone isn't even close to being as good as android. I've recently seen quite a few people leave iphone and switch over to android. 2 years ago that was unthinkable. The real eye opener for me was my 2 die hard mac head friends trying my note 2 and both saying, if I was getting a new phone today I would get this.

Give me an article with some real data behind it that's written by someone impartial and I'll pay attention. I'm not an android pumper but you've got to do a lot better than supplying is with what gives the appearance of an opinion piece from a fellow member of the apple fan club.
 

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He starts off going on about HTC going downhill and makes it appear that it's an android issue. It's not, it's an HTC issue.
I think it's a valid point that only Samsung isn't a financial and MS failure in the Android world.


He suggests that the S4 "jumped the shark". It's not the quantum leap that the S3 was, but that was such a good phone what really could they do? Sort of like the iterations of the iphone. The difference between them becomes less and less. The S4 may only be a little bit better than the S3, but that's more of a reflection about how good the S3 is than how "bad" the S4 is. My girlfriend has the S3 so I've used it quite a bit and it's still a far superior phone than the latest iphone.
Funny how when Apple releases iterative HW it's seen as an innovation crisis but when Samsung does it, with crap bloatware SW it's your view that "what really could they do".

He refers to the galaxy watch. He's not used it himself but instead uses the "accounts" of others. He continues on with baseless speculation as to their motives. Once he's actually used it and spoken to samsung engineers, perhaps then he can post something worthy of your bolding.
It's the perfect example of Samsungs Napeolan complex with Apple and their inability to execute anything remotely new... The reviews have been horrible and if Samsung is courageous enough to release sales figures you'll see what a failed product looks like (if you didn't watch the Google TV fiasco)

OTB
 

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Ha ha ha. Google hits $1000. Up $100+ on the day on a blow out quarterly result.
 

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Ha ha ha. Google hits $1000. Up $100+ on the day on a blow out quarterly result.
WOW!!!!!!!!

According to our cadre of fanbois, can APPL be far behind?.....:eyebrows:

APPL is even up today......;)
 

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I think it's a valid point that only Samsung isn't a financial and MS failure in the Android world.
Still not relevant. If Mazda is not able to sell red cars, it doesn't mean that red cards are doomed.

Funny how when Apple releases iterative HW it's seen as an innovation crisis but when Samsung does it, with crap bloatware SW it's your view that "what really could they do".
Apple are in the same boat. Somewhat. There's lots of things apple could do to make their phones way better - stuff the competition already has but they don't do (larger screens, removable battery, memory expansion, usable as a thumb drive to name a few).
But I don't recall saying apple have an innovation crisis. The one thing I am very critical of is the fans of apple products who consistently do things like:
Applaud apple for everything they do, even if it's virtually nothing
Are almost never critical of apple even when they clearly deserve it
Look for any excuse to condemn the competition
Trawl the internet looking for articles from blogs or web sites contained with propaganda either praising apple or criticizing the competition

Certainly there are people on the other side of the fence that do the same thing and my opinion of them is exactly the same, but I'm not one of those people. I have used iphones and several android phones. In my opinion a top of the line android is so much better than an iphone is almost every way. But I don't say that because I dislike iphones or I have a love for google. I say it because my personal usage experience shows it to be true.

It's the perfect example of Samsungs Napeolan complex with Apple and their inability to execute anything remotely new... The reviews have been horrible and if Samsung is courageous enough to release sales figures you'll see what a failed product looks like (if you didn't watch the Google TV fiasco)
It may well be a piece of shit. I don't really care one way or the other. But it doesn't mean jack with regards to the topic of this thread.
I'm not aware of any "napeolan complex", but samsung need not fear apple. As I said above, the top of the line android phones are way better than iphones. Even my two mac head friends admitted it (one guy is pretty reasonable and objective, but the other one shocked me - he's a die hard mac head).
 

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The nexus 4 is old now, but it was often out of stock when it was first released. You can bet the new Nexus 4 will be very popular.
 

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The one thing I am very critical of is the fans of apple products who consistently do things like:

Applaud apple for everything they do, even if it's virtually nothing

Are almost never critical of apple even when they clearly deserve it

Look for any excuse to condemn the competition

Trawl the internet looking for articles from blogs or web sites contained with propaganda either praising apple or criticizing the competition
That is because they are on defense - actually this isn't defense - it is more like a panic tantrum bordering on religious fanaticism. These two have lost all objectivity and are engaged on a jihad against Android. These are disillusioned Apple fans who can only post irreverent poorly researched biased drivel because they suffer from the 'small dick' syndrome. Android users have what we want - we don't care about Apple. I actually applaud Apple sales to the elderly and 15 year old female teens that get easily confused with technology.

In facts and not opinions - you will notice Android users did not post that the latest sales figures show Samsung out selling Apple in their home market or that the Apple 5C has turned into a humiliating sales disaster for Apple. We are too confident in our product selection to stoop to Apple smearing even on facts and not bullshit opinions by documented Apple supporters.

Oh, well - lets look at OTB's latest rant:

... I'll cut through the little lumps and look at the larger more thicker lumps....

"Then there's Samsung, which sells by far the most Android devices and makes real money from them. Yet it apparently has stolen secret Apple information in defiance of the courts, cheats on industry benchmarks, and abuses the patent system to undermine Apple, a key customer if also a key competitor. It also stoops to announcing all-but-nonexistent products, such as the curved-glass Samsung Round last week, a pathetic attempt to pretend to be first. (HTC plans a similar product, so Samsung cobbled together a prototype that may never actually reach the market.) Such actions reek of desperation, not success."

If you have long buried any objectivity since swearing allegiance to Apple - the biased lunacy may not be apparent in virtually every twisted thought presented but I think Tangwhich clearly summarized it best:

"This author can't possibly have an agenda can he?

"Galen is author of iOS 7: The "Just What You Need" Book, OS X Mavericks: The "Just What You Need" Book, and iBooks Author For Dummies"

If this interests you - maybe you would like to read "An Unbiased Review of Islam" by Pope Francis.

"Samsung's misguided and perhaps unethical strategy

On the other hand, Samsung appears to be losing steam and sullying its reputation with poor products. The Galaxy S 4 seems to be the turning point; it's not bad, but it brought a lower level of quality. ..... I wouldn't be surprised if Apple is intentionally leaking such rumors to provoke Samsung to keep being stupid".


Yes, there it is - a desperate dream that Apple is really in front - they are still number one ! They are just taking billion dollar nose dives in sales and innovative products because they are playing possum with Samsung and stock investors.

"I was appalled to learn that Samsung has apparently stolen secret Apple-Nokia patent licensing details given to its outside lawyers in one of the many court cases involving Samsung and Apple. Worse, according to a deposition filed by Nokia to the court involved, Samsung executive Seungho Ahn acknowledged the receipt and claimed "all information leaks." If true, that is criminal behavior -- literally -- not merely unethical."

Apparently ??? I don't know (or care) about the details of this case but in dealing with my own patent attorneys a few items stand out: The documents were given to a Samsung attorneys - so they gave Samsung lawyers the documents to throw in the trash for them ? If a patent is granted - possession of the details is not an offence nor does it diminish ownership of the patents. When the patents are granted - they are published !

What a load of biased lunacy. How desperate and frustrating it must be for Apple fanbois to throw such garbage up on the board. Sad, sad sad.....
 

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That is because they are on defense - actually this isn't defense - it is more like a panic tantrum bordering on religious fanaticism. These two have lost all objectivity and are engaged on a jihad against Android. These are disillusioned Apple fans who can only post irreverent poorly researched biased drivel because they suffer from the 'small dick' syndrome. Android users have what we want - we don't care about Apple. I actually applaud Apple sales to the elderly and 15 year old female teens that get easily confused with technology.

In facts and not opinions - you will notice Android users did not post that the latest sales figures show Samsung out selling Apple in their home market or that the Apple 5C has turned into a humiliating sales disaster for Apple. We are too confident in our product selection to stoop to Apple smearing even on facts and not bullshit opinions by documented Apple supporters.

Oh, well - lets look at OTB's latest rant:



... I'll cut through the little lumps and look at the larger more thicker lumps....

"Then there's Samsung, which sells by far the most Android devices and makes real money from them. Yet it apparently has stolen secret Apple information in defiance of the courts, cheats on industry benchmarks, and abuses the patent system to undermine Apple, a key customer if also a key competitor. It also stoops to announcing all-but-nonexistent products, such as the curved-glass Samsung Round last week, a pathetic attempt to pretend to be first. (HTC plans a similar product, so Samsung cobbled together a prototype that may never actually reach the market.) Such actions reek of desperation, not success."

If you have long buried any objectivity since swearing allegiance to Apple - the biased lunacy may not be apparent in virtually every twisted thought presented but I think Tangwhich clearly summarized it best:

"This author can't possibly have an agenda can he?

"Galen is author of iOS 7: The "Just What You Need" Book, OS X Mavericks: The "Just What You Need" Book, and iBooks Author For Dummies"

If this interests you - maybe you would like to read "An Unbiased Review of Islam" by Pope Francis.

"Samsung's misguided and perhaps unethical strategy

On the other hand, Samsung appears to be losing steam and sullying its reputation with poor products. The Galaxy S 4 seems to be the turning point; it's not bad, but it brought a lower level of quality. ..... I wouldn't be surprised if Apple is intentionally leaking such rumors to provoke Samsung to keep being stupid".


Yes, there it is - a desperate dream that Apple is really in front - they are still number one ! They are just taking billion dollar nose dives in sales and innovative products because they are playing possum with Samsung and stock investors.

"I was appalled to learn that Samsung has apparently stolen secret Apple-Nokia patent licensing details given to its outside lawyers in one of the many court cases involving Samsung and Apple. Worse, according to a deposition filed by Nokia to the court involved, Samsung executive Seungho Ahn acknowledged the receipt and claimed "all information leaks." If true, that is criminal behavior -- literally -- not merely unethical."

Apparently ??? I don't know (or care) about the details of this case but in dealing with my own patent attorneys a few items stand out: The documents were given to a Samsung attorneys - so they gave Samsung lawyers the documents to throw in the trash for them ? If a patent is granted - possession of the details is not an offence nor does it diminish ownership of the patents. When the patents are granted - they are published !

What a load of biased lunacy. How desperate and frustrating it must be for Apple fanbois to throw such garbage up on the board. Sad, sad sad.....

That is very well said and sums it all up quite, quite well. Spot on.
(Speaking of opening paragraph.)
 

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Their obsession with forcing google plus on everyone is ruining other software. It started for me with replacing Talk with Hangouts. It's absolute garbage for a whole host of reasons. One is an instant messenger and the other is a glorified SMS program. As a replacement for G+ messenger it would make sense, but is certainly does not replace talk. It was also far from being ready, I wouldn't even call it a beta, I'd call it an alpha release. The next (and I can't believe it doesn't get more press) is they savaged Maps, which arguably was THE program that put android at the head of the pack. The new version looks a little prettier, but is a step backwards in pretty much every other way. Absolutely slammed in the reviews.

There are other examples of removing/downgrading applications that don't impact me personally, such as latitude but I don't doubt there will be more to come. For now I've forced both talk and the old maps onto my phone/tablet, but I'm sure a point will come when I have no choice but to "upgrade"
I hear ya. Google has definitely changed for the worse. I've seen a steady transformation from a company "that likes making cool tech things and if it makes money that's even better" to everything we do must make buckets of cash and anything that isn't must be killed off".

Sad but such is business, right?
 

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I hear ya. Google has definitely changed for the worse. I've seen a steady transformation from a company "that likes making cool tech things and if it makes money that's even better" to everything we do must make buckets of cash and anything that isn't must be killed off".

Sad but such is business, right?
Answer: They now have shareholders.
 

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