Turkey doesn't belong in the EU

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On Thursday, Orhan Pamuk, one of Turkey's most famous writers, entered an Istanbul court to face a charge of "insulting the national identity" after he advocated open discussion of the Turkish genocide of 1.5 million Armenians in 1915 and 1916. Pamuk faces three years in prison. Turkey's effort to fine and imprison those who do not toe the official line convinces me that I was correct to oppose opening negotiations on the country's European Union membership.

In December 1999, the European Council granted Turkey the status of EU candidate-member, implying that Turkey would accede to the union at some future, unspecified date.
Meanwhile, the commission published a progress report on Turkey that granted that reforms were continuing, albeit at a slower pace, under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's mildly Islamic-minded government. Yet the report also presented serious misgivings: human rights violations, including torture, continued; the military's influence remained too high; freedom of speech was not universally observed; non-Muslim religious and cultural minorities faced discrimination; and violence against women was not opposed strongly enough.
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In March 2005, the police violently disrupted a demonstration to celebrate International Women's Day. In May, the largest teachers' union was banned for promoting the education of Turkey's 14 million Kurds in their own language. Indeed, intolerance goes right to the top of the Turkish government. Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul abruptly cancelled a recent news conference in Copenhagen when he spied a Kurdish journalist in the audience and the Danes refused to evict him.

Such actions and attitudes amply justify my dissent of October 2004. But, even if these shortcomings were removed, Turkey should still not be admitted to the EU, because it is not a European country. Christianity, feudalism, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, democracy, and industrialization have made us what we Europeans are; but they have not made Turks who they are. So I am not convinced that reforms in Turkey implemented at the insistence of the European Commission would continue after accession. Indeed, I suspect that there will be backsliding

By Frits Bolkestein


http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=20792
 

Meister

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Human rights is one thing. The other thing is the economic imbalance. The more industrialized nations are griping about having to continously make support payments to poor nations such as Ireland and Greece. It is definitely boosting these poor countries while the wealthier ones are loosing their wealth.

Furthermore, highly industrialized factories in France and Germany are closing and moving production to something like Hungary or Slovakia for cheap labour. And, the EU is subsidizing this to help poor nations.

Unfair in the short run because well paying jobs are being wiped out and adds to the already high unemployment, but good for the whole of EU many years down the line. The EU is the great equalizer.

So, Turkey will become yet another cheap labour source.
 

scouser1

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on the one hand you ask Europeans in favour of Turkish membership and they will tell you its not some sort of exclusive Protestant-Catholic club on the other hand its the sheer size of Turkey something like 72 million people thats alot of potential labour but also a huge headache in subsidies and competition, I wouldnt see a problem if Turkey was the size of a Slovenia or Latvia, 2 or 3 million, they couldnt care less if they worshipped door knobs.
 

maxweber

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correction!

I'm getting damn sick of these atrociously proof-read postings. This should read: "Turkeys don't belong in the EU"!

MW
 

K Douglas

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maxweber said:
I'm getting damn sick of these atrociously proof-read postings. This should read: "Turkeys don't belong in the EU"!

MW
That means booting out France and Germany then. Seriously though the only reason there is anger against a proposal to let Turkey into the EU is because it means more lost jobs to the welfare nanny states. Instead of looking at internal economic reform they use Turkey as a whipping post.
 

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K Douglas said:
That means booting out France and Germany then. Seriously though the only reason there is anger against a proposal to let Turkey into the EU is because it means more lost jobs to the welfare nanny states. Instead of looking at internal economic reform they use Turkey as a whipping post.
You sound like a real right-wingnut.........you should be ashamed of the high poverty rate and poor living conditions of a vast number of Americans. I was appalled by what I saw in some states and in some cities on my recent travels.I've never seen anything like it in Canada or in western Europe.

It's fast becoming a country of have's and have not's. Give me the EU anyday, where there is at least some semblance of a 'social conscience,' as opposed to outright worship of the almighty $$$$
 
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