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Two meter sea level rise unstoppable: experts

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OXFORD, England (Reuters) - A rise of at least two meters in the world's sea levels is now almost unstoppable, experts told a climate conference at Oxford University on Tuesday.

"The crux of the sea level issue is that it starts very slowly but once it gets going it is practically unstoppable," said Stefan Rahmstorf, a scientist at Germany's Potsdam Institute and a widely recognized sea level expert.

"There is no way I can see to stop this rise, even if we have gone to zero emissions."

Rahmstorf said the best outcome was that after temperatures stabilized, sea levels would only rise at a steady rate "for centuries to come," and not accelerate.

Most scientists expect at least 2 degrees Celsius warming as a result of man-made greenhouse gas emissions, and probably more. The world warmed 0.7-0.8 degrees last century.

Rahmstorf estimated that if the world limited warming to 1.5 degrees then it would still see two meters sea level rise over centuries, which would see some island nations disappear.

His best guess was a one meter rise this century, assuming three degrees warming, and up to five meters over the next 300 years.

"There is nothing we can do to stop this unless we manage to cool the planet. That would require extracting the carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. There is no way of doing this on the sufficient scale known today," he said.

Scientists say that ice melt acquires a momentum of its own - for example warming the air as less ice reflects less heat, warming the local area.

"Once the ice is on the move, it's like a tipping point which reinforces itself," said Wageningen University's Pier Vellinga, citing various research.

"Even if you reduce all the emissions in the world once this has started it may be unstoppable. I conclude that beyond 2 degrees global average temperature rise the probability of the Greenland ice sheet disintegrating is 50 percent or more."

"(That) will result in about 7 meters sea level rise, and the time frame is about 300-1,000 years."

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Delegates from about 190 nations are meeting in Bangkok to try to speed up U.N.-led negotiations to replace the Kyoto Protocol with a tougher climate pact.

Speakers in Oxford used history to back up their arguments on rising seas. Three million years ago the planet was 2-3 degrees warmer and the sea 25-35 meters higher, and 122,000 years ago 2 degrees warmer and 10 meters higher, they said.
"What we now see in Greenland, Antarctica could be a temporary phenomena but it could also be the start of what we saw 122,000 years ago," said Vellinga.

Sea levels have risen about 20 centimeters in the past century and that effect was accelerating, speakers said.

That rise was adding to storms such as that in the Philippines, although that single event couldn't be attributed to climate change, said Rahmstorf.

"Of course the flooding from a given storm event would be less severe if we hadn't added those extra centimeters."

About 40 million people worldwide live in flood plains, said Southampton University's Robert Nicholls. That is 0.6 percent of the global population and 5 percent of global wealth, because of valuable assets such as airports and power plants.

He was confident that coastal protection could hugely reduce lost land and assets. The cost of that speakers put at anywhere from 50 billion euros ($72.85 billion) a year by 2020 to up to $215 billion a year by 2100.
 

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Has anyone considered the land is sinking?
 

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Sucks if you live in the Netherlands. But you do have a couple of centuries to plan your move.
 

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Talking about global warming on a chill day like this eh? Wasn't last summer unusually cool? Between 1940 to now, the average temperature went up by 0.4 degrees! is there really a reason to worry about such a small increase? it could be caused by any other 1000 factors! I dont think scientists know enough to make a conclusion
 

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Wasn't there a threat of another ice age 30-40 years ago?

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Talking about global warming on a chill day like this eh? Wasn't last summer unusually cool? Between 1940 to now, the average temperature went up by 0.4 degrees! is there really a reason to worry about such a small increase? it could be caused by any other 1000 factors! I dont think scientists know enough to make a conclusion

They predicted the cooling trend by saying it could get cold before it gets warm.
 

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What do 95% of the worlds scientists know anyways....

I dont think scientists know enough to make a conclusion
Republicans in the USA agree completely with you hear.
They also say smoking is healthy for you....
That's why they take all their scientific advice from El Rushbloe Limbaugh now!....:cool:
 

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Has anyone considered the land is sinking?
So your theory is that all land is sinking uniformly everywhere in the world at the same rate. Careful pappy, you're starting to dig yourself a hole again. At least remember to bring a ladder this time.
 

papasmerf

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So your theory is that all land is sinking uniformly everywhere in the world at the same rate. Careful pappy, you're starting to dig yourself a hole again. At least remember to bring a laqdder this time.



It is said to have risen from the seas.


I am just asking if it had been considered.
 

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A US quart contains 32 fl ozs.
A US gallon contains 4 quarts.
An Imperial quart contains 40 fl ozs
An Imperial gallon contains 4 quarts.

A US gallon should be exactly 4/5 of an Imperial gallon.
It isn't because the definition of a fluid ounce is different.
A US fluild ounce is the volume of one ounce by weight of water at 68deg F (18deg C) (Normal Temperature and Pressure)
An Imperial fluid ounce is the volume of one ounce by weight of water at 38deg F (4 deg C) (Standard Temperature and Pressure).
The difference is about 4 percent.
So for a difference of 14 deg C there is an increase of 4%
So an increase of 1 to 2 deg C would produce an increase of a quarter to one half percent.
The top 100 meters of the ocean is affected by atmospheric/solar heat (Texas A and M dept of Oceanography).
A quarter of one percent of 100 meters is 25 centimeters.
 

papasmerf

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A US quart contains 32 fl ozs.
A US gallon contains 4 quarts.
An Imperial quart contains 40 fl ozs
An Imperial gallon contains 4 quarts.

A US gallon should be exactly 4/5 of an Imperial gallon.
It isn't because the definition of a fluid ounce is different.
A US fluild ounce is the volume of one ounce by weight of water at 68deg F (18deg C) (Normal Temperature and Pressure)
An Imperial fluid ounce is the volume of one ounce by weight of water at 38deg F (4 deg C) (Standard Temperature and Pressure).
The difference is about 4 percent.
So for a difference of 14 deg C there is an increase of 4%
So an increase of 1 to 2 deg C would produce an increase of a quarter to one half percent.
The top 100 meters of the ocean is affected by atmospheric/solar heat (Texas A and M dept of Oceanography).
A quarter of one percent of 100 meters is 25 centimeters.
But can the actual volume be changed by changing the method of measurement?
 

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Talking about global warming on a chill day like this eh? Wasn't last summer unusually cool? Between 1940 to now, the average temperature went up by 0.4 degrees! is there really a reason to worry about such a small increase? it could be caused by any other 1000 factors! I dont think scientists know enough to make a conclusion
No there's absolutely no reason to worry. Temperature measurements can be very subjective; if not measured in the exact same scientific manner each and every time small discrepancies are the norm. To maintain constant variables for 100 years is of course impossible. Even the body heat of a human reading the thermometer can skew a reading. There's certainly enough variance to debunk any claims of global warming.

It's all political-left agenda driven bunk science. The goal is of course, new taxes, theft, redistribution of wealth, and New World Order. Plain and simple. Many respected scientists are now disproving the prediction of dramatic rise of sea levels anyways. They say even is the Antarctic melted, we'd only see something like 2 feet more water...
 
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