Vimy Ridge strategic plan
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In actuality General Byng and his staff in particular General Currie and his staff spent over four months meticulously planning the battle.
As mentioned one of Sir Aurthur Currie's innovations was that he broke with tradition and provided nearly every fighting soldier with a battlefield map. In the words of the late Pie_rre Berton: “It had the morale-building effect of making each man feel that he was trusted, that his leaders considered him intelligent enough to be let in on what had been secret information in previous battles.”
As mentioned one of Sir Aurthur Currie's innovations was that he broke with tradition and provided nearly every fighting soldier with a battlefield map. In the words of the late Pie_rre Berton: “It had the morale-building effect of making each man feel that he was trusted, that his leaders considered him intelligent enough to be let in on what had been secret information in previous battles.”
I don't do much reading with regards to WW1, but I may indulge after seeing a few newer WW1 docs and TV specials on the subject. Recently I have been watching a few on Vimy and what Aardy is saying was covered in them. I will add a few other things that I didn't know that came out in the shows. The battle plan was meticulous, with 3D planning with the use of maps and a scaled mock up being used as well. They also broke down the tactics to a unit level, with the companies actually being in on the battle plan, being given maps to use as well. They taught the companies how to keep up with the creeping barrage, so that they would be on top of the enemy positions before they knew it. Mop up troops were also introduced, who would keep behind the main advance because the Germans were known to pop up after the advance, making the advance bog down because of their presence. Whether or not underground refuges were used the way they were at Vimy I do not know, but it would seem that many underground refuges, they were called "subways" were carved out, so that troops could remain safe from shell fire, but be near the front line trenches, ready to go into battle. These "subways" could hold hundreds and with many of them probably thousands of troops.
Sadly good planing doesn't mean without casualties, but rather with the very fewest casualties possible to achieve the objective.The planning must have been extraordinarily good. !0,602 killed and wounded Canadians.
You are bizarre. 10,602 casualties for gaining a few acres of real estate which was French before the war and was French after the war was over. Unbelievable stupidity from all involved.Sadly good planing doesn't mean without casualties, but rather with the very fewest casualties possible to achieve the objective.
Ah, but you seem to be unable to grasp that a significant reason why it was French after the war, was because our our sacrifice.You are bizarre. 10,602 casualties for gaining a few acres of real estate which was French before the war and was French after the war was over. Unbelievable stupidity from all involved.
Pure baloney.Ah, but you seem to be unable to grasp that a significant reason why it was French after the war, was because our our sacrifice.
If you cannot grasp that the fighting on the western front during WW! was pure idiocy by any standard known to mankind, you need to have your head examined by competent medical professionals.
Then as has been suggested by others before you really need to read more history about the war. Yes, it took way, too long, but Canada played a pivotal role in the development of combined arms operations and the 100 days -- to the point it is even commonly referred to as Canada's Hundred Days.Pure baloney.
If you cannot grasp that the fighting on the western front during WW! was pure idiocy by any standard known to mankind, you need to have your head examined by competent medical professionals.
Which is a more reasoned response than merely saying oh of course everyone should have deferred to your position and have acknowledged German superiority.
Further more than a certain irony from a Dane. Before the war Queen Alexandra wrote when her son (later King George V) was made Colonel of a Prussian Regiment: "“So my Georgie has become a real live filthy blue-coated Picklehaube German Solder. I never thought I would live to see the day.”
Give it up, my little war monger. The war was insanity all around. Marching infantry towards machineguns. If you find that heroic, you are seriously deranged.Then as has been suggested by others before you really need to read more history about the war. Yes, it took way, too long, but Canada played a pivotal role in the development of combined arms operations and the 100 days -- to the point it is even commonly referred to as Canada's Hundred Days.
Which is a more reasoned response than merely saying oh of course everyone should have deferred to your position and have acknowledged German superiority.
The Blackadder skit is generous to the Generals on both sides.
Give it up, my little war monger. The war was insanity all around. Marching infantry towards machineguns. If you find that heroic, you are seriously deranged.
The Blackadder skit is generous to the Generals on both sides.
Why come into a discussion on history to spew your rhetoric? We all know your stance and it has nothing to do with what happened as an historical event.
The casualties were light compared to many other WW1 battles like the Somme, so from a battlefield perspective, the Canadian plan was a success from all sides, from ground gained and consolidated, to keeping the number of casualties down, to how the plan was made and carried out.
I will cede to you that war is insanity, but it happened and we cannot change this event now. The discussion of such events is not to be a war monger and those who know history, as our political leaders should, or at least their advisers should, as our military leaders do study these things, keep us from repeating the mistakes of the past. Maybe there is something that you cannot see and that is the fact that there are people in this world who will wage war and there are those who are needed to stop them. We all can't live in the Utopian world you do danmand, where the skies are always clear and blue.
