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I understand that Vista Home Premium comes in 32 bit and 64 bit versions.
If you are getting a Core 2 Duo processor does anyone know which version of Vista is the best to get 32 bit or 64 bit?

I think the Core 2 Duo is a 32 bit processor so this means that 32 bit Vista should be the best operating system to get. Right?

Also, I thought that you needed to get a special PCI-E graphics card in order to run Vista in Aero mode rather than Basic mode.

But a guy at BestBuy told me that this is wrong. He said any dual core processor like the Core 2 Duo can run Vista in Aero mode and that a special graphics card is not necessary. Does anyone know if this is right?

Thanks for any input.
 

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dont buy Vista, it has DRM. People should stand up and say NO we dont want DRM in our OS.

People are like sheep...

MS: here eat some shit it's good for you.

Consumer: yeah, yeah you're right even thought I dont like like taste, I'll eat it.

It's the beginning of the end for consumers who have DRM shoved down there throats.
 

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Intel Core 2 Duo supports 64-bit instructions, providing flexibility for 64-bit and 32-bit applications and operating systems. Vista x64 is the turning point for operating systems as they transition to 64-bit. Currently, however, the majority of users will be very disappointed by installing Vista x64. The lack of 64-bit drivers for most current hardware will be very disappointing and frustrating to most users. Why push for 64-bit now anyway? The performance gains promised by 64-bit will not be seen for years until 64-bit compiled versions of software is the norm.

When it comes to the video card, just check the manufacturer's Web site if it will run Aero and if they have WDDM drivers.

Check that your computer meets the minimum hardware requirements for running Aero:

- 1-gigahertz (GHz) 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
- 1 gigabyte (GB) of random access memory (RAM)
- 128-megabyte (MB) graphics card

Aero also requires a DirectX 9 class graphics processor that supports a Windows Display Driver Model Driver (WDDM), Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware, and 32 bits per pixel.

For best results, you might also want to follow these graphics processor recommendations:

- 64 MB of graphics memory to support a single monitor with a resolution that is less than 1,310,720 pixels (for example, a 17–inch flat panel LCD monitor that has a 1280 × 1024 resolution)

- 128 MB of graphics memory to support a single monitor with a resolution from 1,310,720 to 2,304,000 pixels (for example, a 21.1–inch flat panel LCD monitor that has up to a 1600 × 1200 resolution)

- 256 MB of graphics memory to support a single monitor with a resolution greater than 2,304,000 pixels (for example, a 30–inch wide-screen flat panel LCD monitor that has up to a 2560 × 1600 resolution)
 

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Vista crippled by content protection
http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsID=7675&pagtype=samechan

Chris Mellor, Techworld
27 December 2006

PC users around the globe may find driver software is stopped from working by Vista if it detects unauthorised content access. Peter Guttman, a security engineering researcher at New Zealand's university of Auckland, has written A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection. He reckons Vista is trying to achieve the impossible by protecting access to premium content. Users will find their PCs' compromised by the persistent and continuous content access checks carried out by Vista.

Gutman thinks these checks and the associated increased in multimedia card hardware costs make Vista's content protection specification 'the longest suicide note in history.'

The core elements in Vista have been designed to protect access to premium content. The design requires changes in multimedia cards before Microsoft will support them for Vista use.

Content that is protected by digital rights management (DRM) must be sent across protected interfaces. This means cards using non-protected interfaces can't be used by Vista PCs.
Disabling and degrading

Vista is disadvantaging high-end audio and video systems by openly disabling devices. The most common high-end audio output interface is S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface Format) which doesn't have any content protection. It must be disabled in a Vista system when DRM-protected content is being played. Equally a high-end component video interface (YPbPr) also has no content protection and must be disabled when protected video is being played.

- Vista covertly degrades playback quality. PC voice communications rely on automatic echo cancellation (AEC) in order to provide acceptable voice quality. This requires feeding back a sample of the audio mix into the echo cancellation subsystem, which isn't permitted by Vista's content protection scheme. This lowers PC voice communication quality because echo affects will still be present.

- This overt and covert degrading of quality is dynamic, not consistent. Whenever any audio derived from premium content is played on a Vista PC, the disabling of output devices and downgrading of signal quality takes place. If the premium content then fades away the outputs are re-enabled and signal quality climbs back up. Such system behaviour today indicates a driver error. With Vista it will be normal behaviour.

- Vista has another playback quality reduction measure. It requires that 'any interface that provides high-quality output degrade the signal quality that passes through it if premium content is present. This is done through a "constrictor" that downgrades the signal to a much lower-quality one, then up-scales it again back to the original spec, but with a significant loss in quality.' If this happens with a medical imaging application then artifacts introduced by the constrictor can 'cause mis-diagnoses and in extreme cases even become life-threatening.'
CPU cycle guzzling

The O/S will use much more of a PC's CPU resource because 'Vista's content protection requires that devices (hardware and software drivers) set so-called "tilt bits" if they detect anything unusual ... Vista polls video devices on each video frame displayed in order to check that all of the grenade pins (tilt bits) are still as they should be.'

Also 'In order to prevent tampering with in-system communications, all communication flows have to be encrypted and/or authenticated. For example content sent to video devices has to be encrypted with AES-128.' Encryption/decryption is known to be CPU-intensive

Device drivers in Vista are required to poll their underlying hardware every 30ms - thirty times a second - to ensure that everything appears correct.

It is apparent that Vista is going to use very much more of a PC's resources than previous versions of Windows and degrade multi-media playback quality unless the user has purchased premium content from a Microsoft-approved resource.

Such over-reaching by Microsoft could prove to be the catalyst needed to spur increased takeup of Linux desktop operating software, or of Apple's Mac OS.


This article was printed from Techworld : www.techworld.com
The UK's infrastructure & network knowledge centre
© 2007 : All rights reserved
 

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joebear said:
dont buy Vista, it has DRM. People should stand up and say NO we dont want DRM in our OS.

It's the beginning of the end for consumers who have DRM shoved down there throats.
Doesn't Mac have DRM also?

Is Linux the only way to be DRM free?

Just curious about DRM free alternatives.
 

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joebear said:
dont buy Vista, it has DRM. People should stand up and say NO we dont want DRM in our OS.

People are like sheep...

MS: here eat some shit it's good for you.

Consumer: yeah, yeah you're right even thought I dont like like taste, I'll eat it.

It's the beginning of the end for consumers who have DRM shoved down there throats.

LMAO!
:p Go Joe! errr...or GI JOE!
Either way, great fucking dialogue.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Doesn't Mac have DRM also?

Is Linux the only way to be DRM free?

Just curious about DRM free alternatives.
XP is DRM free, Linux yep.
 

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In order for a company to get Vista certification (carry the Vista logo) it must provide 32-bit (x86) and 64-bit (x64) drivers. This eliminates the problem with Windows XP x64 having very limited drivers.

That said, unless you absolutely need a 64-bit OS (running 4 GB or more of RAM, or need to operate in a 64-bit environment) I'd stick with the 32-bit version. Why? It's a little faster. The 64-bit version has 30% more code so it is slightly slower when compared to the 32-bit versiopn running on an identical machine.
 

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SilentLeviathan said:
In order for a company to get Vista certification (carry the Vista logo) it must provide 32-bit (x86) and 64-bit (x64) drivers. This eliminates the problem with Windows XP x64 having very limited drivers.

That said, unless you absolutely need a 64-bit OS (running 4 GB or more of RAM, or need to operate in a 64-bit environment) I'd stick with the 32-bit version. Why? It's a little faster. The 64-bit version has 30% more code so it is slightly slower when compared to the 32-bit versiopn running on an identical machine.

What is DRM??
 

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Digital Rights Management.

You need to download a license to play certain files.
 

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Edifice said:
Digital Rights Management.

You need to download a license to play certain files.
So is this another Microshaft cash grab? Fuck that, greedy cocksuckers!!

Is linux easy to use, or learn to use? Any tutorials online that I could have a look at? Will firefox work with linux?

Thanks.
 

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wantoplay said:
So is this another Microshaft cash grab? Fuck that, greedy cocksuckers!!

Is linux easy to use, or learn to use? Any tutorials online that I could have a look at? Will firefox work with linux?

Thanks.
Firefox and thunderbird will work with linux. Open office will do all the MS office stuff well enough, although I find the spell checker a bit weak compared to office 97.
 

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Never believe a Best Buy/Future shop salesperson. Do your own independent research first. Know what you want and don't be swayed. But you of course must be certain your info is correct.

Lot's of sources, do some research and your time will pay off.

Vista may be a good OS..I don't know..but it does have MINIMUM requirements...and you won't be satisfied with minimum standards. Find out what you really need to make the OS work to it's potential and then purchase if you feel it's right for you.

Vista and the MAC dual cores are still waiting for most software vendors to create he universal binary versions. I have a new mac and the universal apps scream..the others are almost painfully slow.

In Mac I;m lead to understand their is a Rosetta translator working which slows things down even a bit more. But worth the wait for the new adobe versions coming this spring/summer.
 
I've been playing with vista, its absolutely dreadful, awful. bloated, slow, painful. not worth the effort. does anyone remember 'windows ME" ?? it was awful too. [and nobody wanted it either].

vista does have one thing going for it, it is so broken that the hackers and crackers of the world will get busy on it, and this will drive up revenues for the computer security world nicely.
 

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Don't jump on the bandwagon just to have the latest and greatest...it seems the bugs were never worked out completely. Wait for a revised or second edition version.

Sales numbers are not meeting forcast, I guess they thought the consumer would line up to buy it.:eek:
 

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XP is just fine, I'm assuming they thought they had to get a new OS out there since people were beginning to realize (and like) Apple's interface.
One of the reasons, my guess anyway.
But, you got transformation packs for that and not everyone is liking the EULA and price of this thing called Vista.:rolleyes:
 

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Cobster said:
XP is DRM free, Linux yep.
Mac has DRM in in the music you buy from the iTunes store that is it...... Steve Jobs just recently was asking for DRM free music and movies.
 

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The Bandit said:
Don't jump on the bandwagon just to have the latest and greatest...it seems the bugs were never worked out completely. Wait for a revised or second edition version.

Sales numbers are not meeting forcast, I guess they thought the consumer would line up to buy it.:eek:

If you a buy a new computer then it will have Vista unless you fork over to by both Vista and XP?

people buying new machines do not have much a choice but to buy Vista.

other OS's are not consumer friendly or driver friendly otherwise people would flock to linux if it was.
 

The Bandit

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I was referring to upgrade, not buying a new computer. I know you don't have a choice then.
 
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