Well,for starters $1 BILLION wasted from e-health,could have provided us with a lot of services. Quit hiring consultants at $500 an hr. for everything,could also save us some money. Cut down on our bloated number of civil servants, we have-another saving. Trying to run the Govt. in a more efficient manner could save us likely tens of billions. But instead,they take the easy route and have the taxpayers pay for their many mistakes and wasteful spending. It kind of reminds me of that "hydro debt repayment" that we see on all of our hydro bills,after years of hydro mismanagement. They screw up by having thousands of top heavy employees earning over $100,000 ,and we pay for it.
Why does stupid politician like Dalton need extra revenue on HST??
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Privitized profits & socialized risks are a big hallmark of fascism...
We do not have "Leadership" politically... Leadership is where those put in charge are followed by others due to their example & ideas.... We do NOT have this so we do not have leaders or leadership.
Instead our politicians make laws & set policies they expect us to unquestioningly fund & obey... they write it on paper... we obey & pick up the cheque.... To tell someone what to do is not leadership... another word for verbally directing something is to "Dictate"
Do the math... then shut up slaves & pay your taxes........
We do not have "Leadership" politically... Leadership is where those put in charge are followed by others due to their example & ideas.... We do NOT have this so we do not have leaders or leadership.
Instead our politicians make laws & set policies they expect us to unquestioningly fund & obey... they write it on paper... we obey & pick up the cheque.... To tell someone what to do is not leadership... another word for verbally directing something is to "Dictate"
Do the math... then shut up slaves & pay your taxes........
This liberal government and its leader have a vision problem, they have so many visions it reminds me strangly of the sixties.....
they don't have a revenue problem they have a spending problem
they don't have a revenue problem they have a spending problem
Just to give everyone a 'quick and dirty' calculation that ought to show just how much we're being hosed by jowly Dwight Duncan and Parson McGuinty, let's do some comparative math.
California (pop. 38 million) just signed its budget at $87 Billion US, or around 95 billion can. Now, assuming that california's not on the hook for any healthcare payments out of their budget, then that money goes to pay for government ex-healthcare. Ontario spends about half its budget on healthcare, so then we can conclude that roughly $50 billion is spent on everything but healthcare here. So, the apples to apples comparison between high cost, high tax, and expensive California and Ontario is that they spend roughly double what we do for roughly comparable services, while however having 3.25 times our population (38 vs. 11.5 million people).
The HST rate should decline to make it revenue neutral; McGuinty is keeping at its higher rate in order to transfer money from consumers to producers in the province, which he seems to think ought to encourage investment spending that should in turn blunt the impact of the high canuck buck. This should spur investment here, and eventually lead to lower prices overall (as supply from businesses increases), and greater demand for labour, which should support wages over the long term. But not now, in a frigging recession. And they did it because spending, as themexi pointed out, has been so out of control in the last 5 years that they weren't able to pay for a tax break to business out of the surpluses they should have been running during the boom times.
Check this out: government sector workers get raises during boom time, because otherwise it is claimed that they'll decamp to better paid gigs in the booming private sector (as if skills are that transferable), and during busts we don't dare cut the public sector because their paychecks then become an indispensable support to the struggling private sector. So WHEN the fuck does the government ever scale itself back????
Answer: Never.
California (pop. 38 million) just signed its budget at $87 Billion US, or around 95 billion can. Now, assuming that california's not on the hook for any healthcare payments out of their budget, then that money goes to pay for government ex-healthcare. Ontario spends about half its budget on healthcare, so then we can conclude that roughly $50 billion is spent on everything but healthcare here. So, the apples to apples comparison between high cost, high tax, and expensive California and Ontario is that they spend roughly double what we do for roughly comparable services, while however having 3.25 times our population (38 vs. 11.5 million people).
The HST rate should decline to make it revenue neutral; McGuinty is keeping at its higher rate in order to transfer money from consumers to producers in the province, which he seems to think ought to encourage investment spending that should in turn blunt the impact of the high canuck buck. This should spur investment here, and eventually lead to lower prices overall (as supply from businesses increases), and greater demand for labour, which should support wages over the long term. But not now, in a frigging recession. And they did it because spending, as themexi pointed out, has been so out of control in the last 5 years that they weren't able to pay for a tax break to business out of the surpluses they should have been running during the boom times.
Check this out: government sector workers get raises during boom time, because otherwise it is claimed that they'll decamp to better paid gigs in the booming private sector (as if skills are that transferable), and during busts we don't dare cut the public sector because their paychecks then become an indispensable support to the struggling private sector. So WHEN the fuck does the government ever scale itself back????
Answer: Never.
Quite right their spending increases have doubled the rate of inflation every year they have been in office. The latest being a $1.5 billion gift to the teachers unions with full-time kindergarten.
Has any provincial government in recent memory spent so much and accomplished so little ?
if you do your homework, you will realize that the Harris Govt spent more..recent enough for you?..BTW..do you really make 500thousand a yr?
You gotta realize this is all a devious plot to sucker Federal Flaherty (on record as congratulating Dalton for wisely going the HST route and urging all Premiers to follow his lead) and his wife, Ontario MPP and PCO leadership aspirant Chistine Elliiot (on record as damning the HST and promising to do everything possible to stop it or roll it back) into opposing each other and making Conservative 'policy' look devoid of thought and opportunistic in the extreme. And that part's entertaining as hell, while we enjoy the unparalleled prosperity and efficient government Harris and Eves bequeathed us when they impoverished the provincial coffers—and municipal treasuries for good measure.
Pass the popcorn.
Pass the popcorn.
Harris spent more ? In dollars spent ? Perhaps you could provide evidence of that because the odds are fairly high that you are wrong. Since you have claimed to have done your homework perhaps you can provide with an easy source for this claim. In fact if you can show me one year where the Harris government spent more than a McSquint government I will donate $50 to the Liberal party in your name
As far as your other question, one tends to use examples which are close to home but it is really none of your business.
Wow what a plot, imagine the Libs fucking with the Ontario people, raising taxes by billions and all just to score a few political points.
OJ you really are senile, even the Libs wouldn't do this. What the heck are you smoking?
yes, approximately a 25% pay raise, to be exact, if you will recall.
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...mpp_pay_raise_061213/20061213?hub=TorontoHome
Or a $40,000 pay raise to el shit-for-brains McShitty
http://ontariondp.com/node/1639
hell, and I am not even an NPP!
Something you quite clearly need if you can't see the hilarity in Flahery praising the Liberal Preem for signing onto a Conservative tax while another Con—his wife no less—damns Dalton for for doing exactly that.
Even you couldn't make this stuff up train.
