Winning the War on Terrorism

[cogterb]

Winning the war on terrorism is not about eliminating terrorists from the world.

You can no more eliminate terrorists from the world than you can eliminate psychopaths from the world.

Winning the war on terrorism is to convince the voting public of the need to run a campaign of perpetual war.

It is really an excuse to wage perpetual war against an abstract foe in order to fill the coffers of weapons manufacturers and to help their friends get fat while maintaining global domination.

To me this is Orwellian and demonstrates how much our democratic freedoms are in jeopardy.

Terrorists do not arise in a vacuum but are an extremist faction of resistance fighters. It requires an oppressor to generate a terrorist.

It would be more valid for us to wage a war on extremism of all kinds but I am not pro-war.

The longer we use war to solve our problems the longer we stay in a state of barbarism and the longer we fail to evolve as a civilization.

When Ghandi was asked what he thought of Western Civilization
he answered “It would be a good idea”.

I think that stands true even more today and especially under the current administration.

 

[papasmerf]

Winning the war is making it clear that if you decide to blow up a building with suecide bombers or poison a water system, we shall not stand by and wait for a second strike.

Our illustrious president in the 90's decided he would pay tribute and Bush haulted the trubute.

 

[papasmerf]

and banned the use of spellchecker?

When you find it necessary to critisize my spelling you have reduced yorself to being petty.

Bummer.

 

[papasmerf]

Re: actually

...I think these spelllings are correct, according to the American dictionary.

Look when the spelling becomes more important then the measage you loose te freedom to argue

 

[Ickabod]

Winning the war is making it clear that if you decide to blow up a building with suecide bombers or poison a water system, we shall not stand by and wait for a second strike.

Our illustrious president in the 90's decided he would pay tribute and Bush haulted the trubute.

Yeah, blowing up Iraq will surely make them 19 hijackers think twice before ever doing it again.

 

[cogterb]

Winning the war on terrorism is to convince the voting public of the need to run a campaign of perpetual war.


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At least, that's what Donald Rumsfeld admitted.

 

[ocean976124]

Winning the war is making it clear that if you decide to blow up a building with suecide bombers or poison a water system, we shall not stand by and wait for a second strike.

Our illustrious president in the 90's decided he would pay tribute and Bush haulted the trubute.

Good point about Clinton. I actually liked Clinton as president. Our ecomony did great and we did some good things as a nation. However, when the Sudan captured Bin Laden and offered to hand him over to the US for the USS Cole bombing Clinton said that we did not have enough evidence to convict him in a US court so we couldn't take him. Thus the Sudan evicted him to Afghanistan.
Unfortunately Clinton didn't realize we could try him in a military court and be done with it...

 

[ocean976124]

Re: Terror 1, Democracy 0

the "war on terror" has been lost.

Look at how civil liberties are eroded, in the name of "freedom". See how accusation results in imprisonment without judicial review or legal defence, all in the name of "security". Watch how torture, murder, and invasive evesdropping are done, to keep us "safe".

sorry, the terrorists have won. And if you define a terrorist, as one that spreads terror in order to achieve a political goal, then Bush and the GOP are very effective terrorists.

I haven't had my civil liberties lost at all. If the government wants to know what books I'm checking out, go ahead. Even if I took out books on how to make bombs, as a US citizen unless you can connect me in some way to a bombing there's nothing you can do to me...

 

[ocean976124]

Yeah, blowing up Iraq will surely make them 19 hijackers think twice before ever doing it again.

Actually it had already had an effect. Lybia has abandon its nuclear program. Iran has agreed to let the UN come in and inspect everything. Nations are on notice that the US is not going to let dictators who support terrorism get their hands on WMD.

And, of coure, placing a functioning democracy between terrorism's two largest supporters (Iran and Syria) isn't exactly a bad idea...

 

[cogterb]

Some of you seem to be missing the whole point.

Just to re-iterate.

The whole thing is one giant smokescreen.

An excuse to allow mega-money and their cow-tow military machine to wage undefined perpetual war while they buy the government and media to brainwash the public to support it.

Sorry to be cynical but unforunately it is probably true.

 

[cogterb]

Some of you seem to be missing the whole point.

Just to re-iterate.

The whole thing is one giant smokescreen.

An excuse to allow mega-money and their cow-tow military machine to wage undefined perpetual war while they buy the government and media to brainwash the public to support it.

Sorry to be cynical but unforunately it is probably true.

Please read my post "Speculation on 911" and my other one "Dangerous dreams of the neo-cons" and give it serious though and see how it all hangs together.

Also the book "Weapons of Mass Deception" (see earlier post) shows how the PR industry whores played their part.

I am not joking on this one. This is serious stuff.

Nothing less than a world wide mass movement is going to stop this juggernaut.

Sorry guys were gonna have to join the protesters.

 

[papasmerf]

Some of you seem to be missing the whole point.

Just to re-iterate.

The whole thing is one giant smokescreen.

An excuse to allow mega-money and their cow-tow military machine to wage undefined perpetual war while they buy the government and media to brainwash the public to support it.

Sorry to be cynical but unforunately it is probably true.

Actually you missed the point.

Freedom comes with a price............it is never free. We in the US know that.

 

[ocean976124]

is this true?

Yes. Clinton's administration believed in only holding trials of terrorists in regular court rooms. Thus when the Sudan captured binLaden and offered to hand him over Clinton refused saying there wasn't enough evidence to show beyond a reasonable doubt some other terrorist group was behind it.
However, Clinton did try to assisinate binLaden every change he got. Apparently a missle attack on binLaden's camps in Afghanistan missed him by about an hour.
Its a strange policy that won't allow you to put someone on trial but would allow you to assisinate them.

 

[ocean976124]

Yes. Clinton's administration believed in only holding trials of terrorists in regular court rooms. Thus when the Sudan captured binLaden and offered to hand him over Clinton refused saying there wasn't enough showable evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury that some other terrorist group wasn't behind it.
However, Clinton did try to assisinate binLaden every change he got. Apparently a missle attack on binLaden's camps in Afghanistan missed him by about an hour.
Its a strange policy that won't allow you to put someone on trial but would allow you to assisinate them.

 

[ocean976124]

The Patriot Act is a bit of legislation that would fit into 1943 Germany quite comfortably.

Not really... Britain has had similiar laws regarding suspected IRA terrorists for decades.

 

[booboobear]

When you find it necessary to critisize my spelling you have reduced yorself to being petty.

Bummer.

yes and if we have to use spell check then the terrorists have won.

 

[booboobear]

Re: Terror 1, Democracy 0

the "war on terror" has been lost.

Look at how civil liberties are eroded, in the name of "freedom". See how accusation results in imprisonment without judicial review or legal defence, all in the name of "security.

Sorry I disagree . There is a limit to civil liberties , the reason it is so difficult to stop terrorists and crime in general is because terrorists and criminals don't respect other peoples civil liberties.

It is ok to blow up an innocent 5 yr old but heaven forbid i should detain and question you for 2 hrs.

 

[EnergizerBunny]

"Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee that U.S. weapons inspectors need more time to reach final conclusions about whether chemical and biological weapons existed in Iraq before the war."

I thought that only "old" Europe and that damned UN said shit like that. Too funny! I thought that WMD were no longer the point, that it was simply good enough that the world was rid of Saddam. I mean there has got to be weapons, I mean he used them on his own people!!! As we sat by and watched and did nothing until it was in our interest. There is a spin to everything. You can make anyone believe anything if they want to. Good for you Donald; however you can, turn up some WMD and save the election. Certainly it can't be done on domestic issues. Terror oh my terror ... panic ... only Dubya can save us!

 

[Ickabod]

Re: Re: Terror 1, Democracy 0

I haven't had my civil liberties lost at all. If the government wants to know what books I'm checking out, go ahead. Even if I took out books on how to make bombs, as a US citizen unless you can connect me in some way to a bombing there's nothing you can do to me...

Except maybe threaten to send you to Guantanamo Bay forever without being able to speak to a lawyer unless you plead guilty to planning a bombing. Or do the same to your brother, sister or cousin. But that's ok, as long as it only happens to the other guy, i won't care either.

 

[papasmerf]

what happened to those six guys in buffalo?

Most if not all of them have pled guilty
and are serving sentences