Woman, teen niece raped, 3-year-old son killed, husband beaten in Mexico carjacking

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fuji races

How can 4 different races equal 1 race, sweetcakes??

Don't forget,...as fuji is an elite,...he gets to make up new races an a daily bases,...because 90% of his posts,...he calls some one a racist.

 

[Promo]

Which has nothing to do with anything.
We're talking about the murder rate of Mexico as a whole.

If you go back to the OP and the purpose of this thread it has everything to do with everything. DallasLV426 made the point that this incident pointed out theses were the type of 'bad hombres' Trump was talking about and how this incident helped justify the wall.

Fact is, in 25 US cities you are more likely to be murdered, manslaughter, raped, beaten or robbed than in Mexico as a whole. In 50 US cities you are more likely to be manslaughtered, raped, beaten or robbed. In the US as a whole you are 200-800% more likely to experience a violent crime in your lifetime. Close to 2000% more likely to be a victim of any crime. Lots of countries are worse than the US, I'm just pointing out that people are wrong about their assumptions about Mexico.

Point: There are "bad hombres" on both sides of the border and the wall will do little to reduce either statistic, nor will it help reduce the root-cause drug problem. Trump should be less focused on building a wall and be more focused on reducing crime on both sides of the border. Much of the Mexican crime problem was made in America. Reduce the drug problem and the crime goes down.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

If you go back to the OP and the purpose of this thread it has everything to do with everything. DallasLV426 made the point that this incident pointed out theses were the type of 'bad hombres' Trump was talking about and how this incident helped justify the wall.

Fact is, in 25 US cities you are more likely to be murdered, manslaughter, raped, beaten or robbed than in Mexico as a whole. In 50 US cities you are more likely to be manslaughtered, raped, beaten or robbed. In the US as a whole you are 200-800% more likely to experience a violent crime in your lifetime. Close to 2000% more likely to be a victim of any crime. Lots of countries are worse than the US, I'm just pointing out that people are wrong about their assumptions about Mexico.

Point: There are "bad hombres" on both sides of the border and the wall will do little to reduce either statistic, nor will it help reduce the root-cause drug problem. Trump should be less focused on building a wall and be more focused on reducing crime on both sides of the border. Much of the Mexican crime problem was made in America. Reduce the drug problem and the crime goes down

Sorry, but this is wrong. The US as a whole has a murder rate of 3.9 per 100,000 residents.
Mexico has almost triple that with 15.7 per 100,000.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Yes, in many American inner cities the murder rate is much higher than the national rate, but that has nothing to do with building a wall and keeping Mexican drug traffickers, murderers, sex traffickers and other scum out of the country

 

[SkyRider]

Yes, in many American inner cities the murder rate is much higher than the national rate,

Those inner city statistics skew the national averages. Of course, we all know who are committing the crimes and murders in those inner cities but political correctness prevents us from saying it.

 

[Promo]

Sorry, but this is wrong. The US as a whole has a murder rate of 3.9 per 100,000 residents.
Mexico has almost triple that with 15.7 per 100,000.

Irrelevant to the OP's original points. I didn't comment on that because I don't believe that comparison has any useful meaning in this thread's debate. You need to think about what these statistics actually mean and you need to look at who is committing the crimes and to whom. Lastly you need to think about WHY the crimes are being committed.

I provided this information in a previous thread. I' guessing you were too busy Fuji bashing than educating yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_crime_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_..._United_States
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...d-States/Crime

Yes, in many American inner cities the murder rate is much higher than the national rate, but that has nothing to do with building a wall and keeping Mexican drug traffickers, murderers, sex traffickers and other scum out of the country

Lord help me please. It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Trump is feeding your FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) and manipulating the facts. He's using statistics to feed you a lie. Trump himself is not focusing on the root causes of the crimes. The wall has almost no real benefit!

The US NATIONAL statistics clearly show there are MORE American drug traffickers, sex traffickers, rapists, muggers, felons and other scum in the US than in Mexico. 2-8X as many! The only meaningful stat that Mexico leads in is murders, but when you examine who is doing the killing and who is getting killed, you will realize the truth of Trump's misinformation.

The wall will only help somewhat with the migrant worker / illegal alien problem as most still come across the border legally - it's the increase border guards and improved vetting that will make the greatest impact. The wall will do almost nothing for the crime and drug trade on either side of the border. Instead of a 40 foot solid wall, build the much cheaper fence that was recently proposed and use the saved money to hire more border guards and law enforcement and then use those resources to deal with the root cause drug problem. Instead of insulting Mexico, get real about helping them solve their cartel problems.

 

[fuji]

How can 4 different races equal 1 race, sweetcakes??

They're all Mexicans.

 

[Promo]

Those inner city statistics skew the national averages.

Skyrider, I already provided you NATIONAL stats as well as city stats. The NATIONAL stats clearly prove you are 2-8X more likely to experience a violent crime in the US than in Mexico. You are 20X more likely to be a victim of a serious crime in the US than in Mexico.

You (in ignorance) talk about inner city crime skewing the US stats. If we eliminate all skewing Mexican drug cartel vs drug cartel stats from the Mexican stats ....... what do you think would become evident? I've already done that exact research. Non drug cime in Mexico is surprising low even with the poverty and lack of jobs.

Of course, we all know who are committing the crimes and murders in those inner cities but political correctness prevents us from saying it.

I hate comments like this. The problem is far bigger than race/color/ethnic background profiling. By continuing to be ignorant to the facts, the real root causes will never be addressed.

I agree with Trump on quite a few things and jobs is a biggie: Get people working again in decent paying jobs - that will help. Reduce effective personal taxes for the poor and middle class and raise their standard of living (Trump hasn't really addressed this one yet, so far his actions only benefit the rich). Address healthcare for those that can't afford it (Again, not really addressed yet, just rhetoric).

 

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Stay tuned,...

They're all Mexicans.

fuji latest official "race",...Mexicans.

Soon to be followed by the American "race", and the Canadian "race".

 

[fuji]

fuji latest official "race",...Mexicans.

Soon to be followed by the American "race", and the Canadian "race".

Mexicans have a cultural identity.

 

[mandrill]

Bull shit fuji,...and you one size fits all racist crap.

There wasn't anything in the DallasLV426's 1st post that was racist.

You dumb ass post here,...is the only one racist.

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Actually it WAS a racist post. Fuji is correct, as always.

The connection of a crime committed in Mexico by Mexicans and Trump's mythical wall implies that Mexicans are generally so much more lawless than those already in America that a big wall is needed to protect America. It ignores the truism that there are bad apples everywhere and good apples everywhere. And implies that Mexicans are worse than Americans. Hence the need for the Wall.

 

[fuji]

Actually it WAS a racist post. Fuji is correct, as always.

The connection of a crime committed in Mexico by Mexicans and Trump's mythical wall implies that Mexicans are generally so much more lawless than those already in America that a big wall is needed to protect America. It ignores the truism that there are bad apples everywhere and good apples everywhere. And implies that Mexicans are worse than Americans. Hence the need for the Wall.

I don't want to take all the credit, Phil was the first one on this thread to summarize how racist the original post by Dallas was. Dallas has since run away since his conduct here is clearly indefensible.

 

[mandrill]

fuji latest official "race",...Mexicans.

Soon to be followed by the American "race", and the Canadian "race".

If Canadians are not culturally distinct from Americans, why do we have a far lower gun crime rate and far different laws on a number of different topics - health care, prostitution, firearms? Fuji is absolutely correct. Mexicans, Americans and Canadians all have their own cultural identities distinct from one another.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

They're all Mexicans

Which is a nationality, not a race.

Nationality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality
Race: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(sociology)

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Lord help me please. It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Trump is feeding your FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) and manipulating the facts. He's using statistics to feed you a lie. Trump himself is not focusing on the root causes of the crimes. The wall has almost no real benefit!

The US NATIONAL statistics clearly show there are MORE American drug traffickers, sex traffickers, rapists, muggers, felons and other scum in the US than in Mexico. 2-8X as many! The only meaningful stat that Mexico leads in is murders

Right, so lets say for example a US-Mexican border town has 10 murders each year, of which 2 are committed by illegal immigrants. Building a wall can at least help reduce that number to 8 by making it very difficult for an illegal to cross the border into the US.

And yes I realize you'll never be able to stop ALL crime committed by illegals, but its at least a good start

 

[fuji]

Which is a nationality, not a race.

Nationality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality
Race: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(sociology)

And slurring them is racist. By the way, thank you again for your excellent summary highlighting just how racist Dallas's post was. I think you showed great insight into how the racist mind works! Thanks for sharing.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

And slurring them is racist. By the way, thank you again for your excellent summary highlighting just how racist Dallas's post was. I think you showed great insight into how the racist mind works! Thanks for sharing

Please stop putting words in my mouth. I did no such thing

 

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If Canadians are not culturally distinct from Americans, why do we have a far lower gun crime rate and far different laws on a number of different topics - health care, prostitution, firearms? Fuji is absolutely correct. Mexicans, Americans and Canadians all have their own cultural identities distinct from one another.

Where did I say otherwise,...Don't start with the fuji lying tactics,...won't get you anywere.

You and fuji are absolutely NOT correct,...race and culture are totally different.

You would be well advised to do some research, before making incorrect statements,...is not good for your already less than glowing reputation.

 

[SkyRider]

I wouldn't be surprise if a lot of crimes in Mexico go unreported because Mexican cops are so corrupt.

Example, Roberto Alomar was raped by Mexicans when he was 17. He waited 25 years to make that public.

 

[mandrill]

Right, so lets say for example a US-Mexican border town has 10 murders each year, of which 2 are committed by illegal immigrants. Building a wall can at least help reduce that number to 8 by making it very difficult for an illegal to cross the border into the US.

And yes I realize you'll never be able to stop ALL crime committed by illegals, but its at least a good start

Isn't the assumption that the town has a set number of murders per year and a set number are committed by "illegal immigrants" a little artificial and frankly silly?

The whole - already much debated on TERB - argument against the Wall is that is not cost effective. Massive engineering problems and costs. Massive diplomatic fall-out - which you don't care about since you dislike Mexicans. And a marginal increase in security.

Been talked to death already on other threads.

 

[mandrill]

Where did I say otherwise,...Don't start with the fuji lying tactics,...won't get you anywere.

You and fuji are absolutely NOT correct,...race and culture are totally different.

You would be well advised to do some research, before making incorrect statements,...is not good for your already less than glowing reputation.

You and your buddies don't like me, Fast? Oooooh, must be some nasty butt-hurt happening there for you? I bet you and your friends PM each other about me and tell each other that I'm a triggered, Libtard, brain dead sheep who reads the Washington Post! But anyway....

Sure, genetic race and culture are totally different. Canadians are genetically similar to Americans, sort of, give or take. So what?

No one is talking genetics in this thread. It's all about social environment, cultural environment and cultural norms. And yes, you can be "Racist" for disliking someone on grounds of nationality - i.e. Mexican, American - as opposed to genetic race.

Now let me predict what your going to do. For the next three or four days, you're going to barrage this thread with posts about how genetic race and cultural identity are totally different and how Fuji and Oagre are "liars" because they don't accept this - right?