Worldcom - Any Surprises?

Toad-O-Line

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The recent allegations regarding Worldcom do not surprise me. It is so easy to hide/defer expenses or assets on audited statements, it is unbelievable.

I have worked for two large companies (both owned by shareholders) whereas the books were not entirely accurate.

One company did not even have a balanced balance sheet. Their auditors were none other than Arthur Andersen (hence Enron fame). My first question to the CFO (shortly after being hired) was "How/why were these statements approved by the auditors?". His response, "They want our international business & are willing to overlook certain irregularities". "No shit" was my reply. He laughed.

Another company I briefly worked for (a major Canadian bank), was involved in a half billion dollar merger (they bought an investment firm). The share transaction process was handled via a written set of books! No lie! The whole process was done via hand written ledgers and they had no idea how to balance the variances (it was a major hassle & was to my knowledge, written off).

I'm not here to say that all large firms are corrupt, it is just easier to hide potential liabilities than it is for smaller firms, due to the amount of dollars that are involved (it takes a lot of time to do forensic accounting - A small firm can be analysed fairly quickly by the in-house or newly hired accountant).

Hopefully, the Worldcom experience will enlighten the public that if you are willing to invest in a company, you need to look at who their auditors are - And hopefully, this will bring a lot more credibility to auditors (I do not intnend to offend auditors- It's a tough job to perform - A very tough job!).

So to hear about Worldcom and it's accounting irregularities is no surprise to me. The bigger they are, the easier it is to hide the bullshit.
 
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prodigal

lol

I have a client being threatened with a lawsuit by Worldcom. Now I'm waiting for the whole thing to go away if they have to seek protection to restructure - another triumph for the courtroom wizard - not :)
 

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There are many companies whose stocks have been absolutely devastated based on the numbers in cooked books.
The simple truth will wipe them out.
For many companies, the truth is a potential doomsday asteroid.

I believe we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.
We're just seeing the ones that have run out of time and hit the wall.

These numerous scandals are definately good for the market, not for the fact that they happened, but the reality is that these scandals exist, and the sooner they are all exposed and dealt with, the better the markets will be in the long run.
I hope all of these despicable crooks will be stripped of their proceeds from crime and thrown in jail for a very long time.
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I hope all of these despicable crooks will be stripped of their proceeds from crime and thrown in jail for a very long time.
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WoodPeckr

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I hope all of these despicable crooks will be stripped of their proceeds from crime and thrown in jail for a very long time.
:mad:

Unfortunately this will not happen. These types of crime usually results with the convict being placed in a "country-club" style prison. The more severe style prisons are reserved for the "little people" and those not capable of hiring good defense lawyers.

Personally I think China has the perfect solution, a bullet in the head would be a proper treatment for these greedy white collar types. The deterent factor may make others think twice.
 

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Conflict of Interest!

The majority of the problems lie between conflict of interest and greed. The stock price of the company directly affects the CEO, CFO & many of VPs' job and their salaries. The temptation is so great that very often they can increase their bonus and the price of the stocks which they own significantly by a little manipulation on their part. Since they are well aware when the company might go bust, they can always leave before hand or simply sell all of their shares. At the end, the employees and the million of investors will suffer the most. It is very difficult to pursue and charge these individuals who caused the corporation to collapse. Most people will end up suing the corporation. New regulations are necessary. Perhaps making the CEO or CFO to vouch the statement that they present to the public are accurate and honourable. And lay charges to these individuals when foul play is found. You guys are right; this might be just the tip of the iceberg. Imagine one day your bank closed down and you lose all your life saving or your insurance company went bankrupt when you are in need of a life threatening surgery. I hope this will not happen.
 
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Jay_toronto

Does thing mean that Karl Marx may have been right.

Sixer

I know you were presenting your outlook as a worse case scenario, however, if some of these greedy CEO's and shady accountants are not made examples of, that is exactly what will happen. It's not even an iceberg, it's a fractured glacier influenced by financial global warming.

I've completed divesting myself of all things Italian. Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is about to loosen accounting practices so that he may evade fraud and bribery charges. I know it's a very old cliche but the more things change the more they stay the same.
 

WoodPeckr

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Re: simple rules... breached.

CyberGoth said:
.......should make the next presidential election really interesting to watch... [Dear George... what precisely did happen at those enron meetings anyway???]



Are you kidding Bush/Cheney have that covered, ....it`s unpatriotic to question his "honor" in time of war, don`t cha know.

What really scares me are his plans to start bombing either Iraq or Korea, as a means to further deflect his and Dicky Cheney`s Enron involvments from the people.

Anyone think Dicky Cheney is hiding in "his cave" just to hide from terrorists...............
 
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