WTF? Raptors make no trades at deadline.

[matrix2004]

The 3PM NBA trade deadline came and went....Bab(ling)cock didn't do anything. At the very least, I'm a little surprised. The more I think about it, the more upset I am at the lack of activity. Sure, there weren't a whole lot of movement in general throughout the L....but I was sure the Raps were gonna do SOMETHING.

For starters, I thought for sure Donyell was gonna be moved- there was ALOT of interest in him for sure. I'm a fan of Donyell and would love to see him do well in a Raps jersey, but from what he's been saying and the rumblings through the L grapevine, he's NOT gonna re-sign w/ the team (he wants to play for a championship contender...like everyone else). In other words, he walks away at season's end and the Raps get NOTHING in return. Same scenario for Lamond Murray- though he hasn't really done a whole lot for the Raps anyway, but still could've gotten a draft pick for him. Maybe even package these soon-to-be free agents in a deal to either get a quality player/s in return and/or draft picks.

We also have a bunch of disgruntled players who aren't doing much except contributing to the dysfunctional image of the team. I don't know how much positive contribution they would provide now that they know they're 'stuck' here for at least the remainder of the season.

While I agree that you should never make a trade just for the sake of making a deal...the Raps are in a situation where some changes are probably needed to improve the outlook of the team. W/ only 30+ games left in the season, The Raps would have to go a serious run to sneak in the playoffs- not impossible, but highly unlike w/ this current dysfunctional group. I'm one of the biggest Raps fans out there, but even I don't realistically think the team will get in. As for the long term 'rebuilding' plan (if Babock even has a plan), I again don't see any benefits of hanging on to Marshall and Murray. They don't even make that much money, so the cap room created by their departure won't be that much. We could of at least gotten some decent draft picks for the future by trading them now.

Any other Raptor fans also wondering why no deal/s were made today? Opinions?

 

[new_baller]

you make some good points Matrix2004, but i'm kinda glad that we didn't make a trade.

i don't think babcock was offered anything desirable. we don't need huge contracts or anything multi-year right now. and why trade luggage for luggage kinda deal? shipping around 6th to 12th man-type-players is just really moving around furniture. nothing productive comes of it.

i think that babcock wasn't offered young talent or draft picks, so he didn't pull the trigger. marshall and williams will probably be upset, but they are professionals and will work and compete hard for us for the rest of the year. lets see what this club can do when they play consistent defense and make smarter shots. i still believe that they can win a shit load more ball games coming down the stretch. think of all the close games we've already lost? if we had better rebounding and defense, we'd be at least .500 or better.

i'm happy we didn't just trade a sofa for a couch.

keep it real,

NB

 

[prelations]

sometimes the best trade is the one that's never made.

there wasnt' much out there for us, so let's just try
-and beat jersey when we see them,
-and get pape sow some playing time,
-and bosh some serious touches on offense.
-let jalen go crazy and be the scorer he really wants to be .

 

[to-guy69]

Doesn't matter...The season is done and so is Backcock soon after.

 

[ice_dog]

Between Rock adn Hard Place

One Raptor player(name unknown) told the Globe and Mail that Babcock is a scared man right now- because he knew he messed up the Carter trade and he knew he had to trade away marshall, but he is afraid to make another mistake. In other words, he is between a rock and a hard place.

Rod Thorn(New Jersey Net's President) called the Carter trade an act of larceny. The way I see it, the only positive aspect of this trade is that it will be easier for Chris Bosh to develop now that Carter is no longer around. Bosh was getting so much attention in his rookie year that Carter wasn't too pleased. Of course, this is no reason to trade away Carter at any price.
Maybe Babcock was just under too much pressure to make a deal for Carter.

 

[Rounder]

We will not get nothing when Donyell Marshall leaves. We will get cap room. If you aren't going to get a decent young player then you may as well keep a guy like Marshall for the rest of the year and use the cap space he creates to hopefully pick up an asset in the offseason.

 

[plyrs99]

geez...

first off, get off the carter deal, getting old, and, proving alot of people dont know jack shit! i wish you guys who say the raps got fleeced, would have been in babcock's shoes, when he was trying to make a deal. vince fucked the raps, and really put babcock up against a wall with his hands tied. his public demand for a deal before the season started, was the first problem. his play during his time here before the deal, made it all that much more worse!
and, ever hear of addition by subtraction? they unloaded a huge contract, got draft picks, and, in the process, bosh has had alot more plays run through him, helping him develop faster. as well, jalen has really stepped it up, and become closer to the player he was in indiana. carter was a cancer in the dressing room, and believe me, the last thing the raps needed was vince singing into bosh's ear.

bosh will be all the better for not having that pansy vince around! CB4 will also become a force in this league, and become everything vince wants to be without putting the time and effort in, a winner! vince, you are, and will always be, flash with no substance, a pure loser!

for today, why should babcock have done anything? deal williams or marshall, for a player with a bigger, longer contract to saddle his team with? nope, if he couldnt get a good pick, or young players on decent contracts with some potential, he did the right thing. stay the course raps, get younger, and cap flexibility, and when the time is right, then use it on the right guys. i do agree though, the raps need to do a better job at the draft table with their later picks. some good guys the raps have let go right by them in the last few years.

Plyrs99

 

[ice_dog]

Before the season started, Ray Allen expressed interest in coming to T.O. when he heard that Carter wanted to be out. Allen is a more consistent shooter than Carter(and Rose), and not such a whiner with a big ego. This trade would have benefited the Raptors for sure.

If the Raptors had obtained Allen, Rose and Marshall could then be trade for a centre and/or power forward to help the rebounding department.

As for the draft, Araujo, was the No. 8 pick. Pick numbers 9, 15, 17, 18, 25 and 28 all played in the rookie challenge.

 

[n_v]

first off, get off the carter deal, getting old, and, proving alot of people dont know jack shit! i wish you guys who say the raps got fleeced, would have been in babcock's shoes, when he was trying to make a deal. vince fucked the raps, and really put babcock up against a wall with his hands tied. his public demand for a deal before the season started, was the first problem. his play during his time here before the deal, made it all that much more worse!
and, ever hear of addition by subtraction? they unloaded a huge contract, got draft picks, and, in the process, bosh has had alot more plays run through him, helping him develop faster. as well, jalen has really stepped it up, and become closer to the player he was in indiana. carter was a cancer in the dressing room, and believe me, the last thing the raps needed was vince singing into bosh's ear.

bosh will be all the better for not having that pansy vince around! CB4 will also become a force in this league, and become everything vince wants to be without putting the time and effort in, a winner! vince, you are, and will always be, flash with no substance, a pure loser!

for today, why should babcock have done anything? deal williams or marshall, for a player with a bigger, longer contract to saddle his team with? nope, if he couldnt get a good pick, or young players on decent contracts with some potential, he did the right thing. stay the course raps, get younger, and cap flexibility, and when the time is right, then use it on the right guys. i do agree though, the raps need to do a better job at the draft table with their later picks. some good guys the raps have let go right by them in the last few years.

Amen brother!

 

[jaykay]

Amen brother!

This is what I call a useless post . You are in the same league as Babcock. Are you a bad cock ?

 

[jaykay]

Nobody bitches about tgettign rid of Carter. It is what T.O got in return that pissed me off. You lily white jack ass doesn't know a shit about hoops. Just another bad cock !!!

first off, get off the carter deal, getting old, and, proving alot of people dont know jack shit! i wish you guys who say the raps got fleeced, would have been in babcock's shoes, when he was trying to make a deal. vince fucked the raps, and really put babcock up against a wall with his hands tied. his public demand for a deal before the season started, was the first problem. his play during his time here before the deal, made it all that much more worse!
and, ever hear of addition by subtraction? they unloaded a huge contract, got draft picks, and, in the process, bosh has had alot more plays run through him, helping him develop faster. as well, jalen has really stepped it up, and become closer to the player he was in indiana. carter was a cancer in the dressing room, and believe me, the last thing the raps needed was vince singing into bosh's ear.

bosh will be all the better for not having that pansy vince around! CB4 will also become a force in this league, and become everything vince wants to be without putting the time and effort in, a winner! vince, you are, and will always be, flash with no substance, a pure loser!

for today, why should babcock have done anything? deal williams or marshall, for a player with a bigger, longer contract to saddle his team with? nope, if he couldnt get a good pick, or young players on decent contracts with some potential, he did the right thing. stay the course raps, get younger, and cap flexibility, and when the time is right, then use it on the right guys. i do agree though, the raps need to do a better job at the draft table with their later picks. some good guys the raps have let go right by them in the last few years.

Plyrs99

 

[plyrs99]

haha...

here is a guy who makes fun of us white guys, yet takes the name...jaykay...of a white songwriter (jamiroquai). AND, he seemingly has a fetish for bad cocks. grow up meathead!

i might not be a basketball guru, but i do know facts! raps got as good at the time, as they could have for a guy who completely handicapped his own team from getting anything of consequence. again, love to see what a tool like you would have been able to do! remember something moron, our talk is all cheap, rob babcock knows the truth, and i'd venture to say to you, why would he have taken this deal, if there was better out there. you think babcock wanted to make a deal like this, knowing he would get shredded in the press for it? nope, he took what he could get at the time. again, addition by subtraction...you should know something about that, you seemingly keep adding stupidity to your repertoire, by subtracting common sense. see CB4 blossoming? think he would be doing the same with wince here? nope! he wouldnt be getting half of the touches he gets now. do you know anything about the game, besides anything about anything?

maybe you still live in 2000, with all the vince hype from his dunk-title. get over it man, facts are facts. vince is not a winner, not a leader, can't and won't play with injuries or pain, and basically demands respect without earning it. dont take my word for it, listen to other players in the league, vince is not well-regarded, not highly respected. look at a guy like iverson, there is a warrior, he'll play through alot, to get that "W". keep your eyes on chris bosh, he has the right attitude!

Plyrs99

would you be more lenient if a man of colour was the gm of toronto? do you have a problem with babcock being white? sure seems like it.

 

[Coach]

Posted by jaykay:
"This is what I call a useless post . You are in the same league as Babcock. Are you a bad cock?"

huh?

also posted by jaykay:
"You lily white jack ass doesn't know a shit about hoops. Just another bad cock !!! "

Try decaf!

 

[ISOMSOG]

Here is the real trade the Raptors should have done, Trade Babcock! I hated to see Vince go but we got fuck all back for him and he is a star player. Marshall is playing sucky baby cause he isn't starting and his contract runs out at the end of the season so it doesn't make sense to trade him now, we have paid him so we might as well keep him. I am surprised babcock didn't trade Rose today. That will be Babcocks next screwup... IMHO

 

[matrix2004]

first off, get off the carter deal, getting old, and, proving alot of people dont know jack shit! i wish you guys who say the raps got fleeced, would have been in babcock's shoes, when he was trying to make a deal. vince fucked the raps, and really put babcock up against a wall with his hands tied. his public demand for a deal before the season started, was the first problem. his play during his time here before the deal, made it all that much more worse!
and, ever hear of addition by subtraction? they unloaded a huge contract, got draft picks, and, in the process, bosh has had alot more plays run through him, helping him develop faster. as well, jalen has really stepped it up, and become closer to the player he was in indiana. carter was a cancer in the dressing room, and believe me, the last thing the raps needed was vince singing into bosh's ear.

bosh will be all the better for not having that pansy vince around! CB4 will also become a force in this league, and become everything vince wants to be without putting the time and effort in, a winner! vince, you are, and will always be, flash with no substance, a pure loser!

for today, why should babcock have done anything? deal williams or marshall, for a player with a bigger, longer contract to saddle his team with? nope, if he couldnt get a good pick, or young players on decent contracts with some potential, he did the right thing. stay the course raps, get younger, and cap flexibility, and when the time is right, then use it on the right guys. i do agree though, the raps need to do a better job at the draft table with their later picks. some good guys the raps have let go right by them in the last few years.

Plyrs99

plyrs99- you make some good arguments for your 'opinion' on the VC trade. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, as am I and every other poster on this board. After all, opinions account for the vast majority of all sports discussions. But there's no need to belittle other posters. I think the VC trade was brought up cause there might have been some relevance to explain Babcock's actions(or lack of) today.

I personally wanted to see Raps make a move cause I don't think the cap room created by Donyell leaving will be as beneficial as it appears. Sure it gives you more flexibility, but it's only good if you can actually sign free agents. Teams like the Hawks, Clippers and Bulls have tons of cap room summer after summer, but nobody wants to sign w/ them ...unless they get a ridiculously overvalued contract (e.g Eddie Robinson w/ Bulls). I don't know how much more attractive T.O is right now in the eyes of free agents over those other mentioned teams. This is why I would have liked to see us get draft picks or a decent player in return.

BTW- does anyone know where the Raps actually are in regards to the cap? I read somewhere yesterday that the team was currently over the cap and clearing Donyell's contract still wouldn't create a lot of room to sign free agents.

As for the trades that did go down...Baron Davis for Speedy Claxton and Dale Davis?! C-Webb for role players?! and Employee#8 back to Beantown? Not surprised that these star players were traded, but definitely surprised at their destinations.

 

[matrix2004]

I am surprised babcock didn't trade Rose today. That will be Babcocks next screwup... IMHO

I for one was glad Rose wasn't traded. How can you deal Jalen after the way he's been playing the last month+ ? He's really stepped up his game big time...not only scoring more, but more importantly- scoring in the clutch. The fact that he continued to play hard after initially losing his starting spot also deserve's props. Plus he's been much more of a leader for the team. Right now, he's earning every bit of that max contract IMO.

 

[ice_dog]

Here is the real trade the Raptors should have done, Trade Babcock! I hated to see Vince go but we got fuck all back for him and he is a star player. Marshall is playing sucky baby cause he isn't starting and his contract runs out at the end of the season so it doesn't make sense to trade him now, we have paid him so we might as well keep him. I am surprised babcock didn't trade Rose today. That will be Babcocks next screwup... IMHO

Trade away Rose ? He is the only clutch player left.

Any taker for Babcock ? I doubt it.

 

[frankcastle]

Let's not forget that when trading Vince his scoring production was horrible considering his salary. It had to have been a tough sale. Did you guys notice during the all star weekend when they talked about Carter's +/- stat when with the raps vs with the nets. also, when he was in T.O. statistically speaking it was better to have him off the court then on.

Flat out Carter dogged it. It's no miracle he "became" better in Jersey. I hate him for this. He knew that if he was playing well he would not be traded. So he announced that he wanted to be traded and started playing like crap. He was basically doing everything he could to be traded.

One thing no one seems to be mentioning that keeping him would have been a risk even if he played well for us. Health has always been an issue with him and I predict that before the playoffs Carter will be out with an injury.

Let's just hope the draft picks from Jersey pan out for T.O.

 

[holden]

I miss Glen Grunwald

 

[ISOMSOG]

No I don't want to see Rose traded, sorry guys you miss read me. But it wouldn't surprise me for Babcock to do it... I guess he is trying to see how much worse he can make the team.