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Frankfooter

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once again, they do get arrested, and they are criminals....like Hamas....do you consider Hamas criminals? no you don't....
No rich, you are lying. The stats are posted on B'tselem and the reason why the UN demanded Israel do something is because they don't arrest settlers, they send the IDF in to back them up in there terrorist attacks.

Read the article and stop lying.

 

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No rich, you are lying. The stats are posted on B'tselem and the reason why the UN demanded Israel do something is because they don't arrest settlers, they send the IDF in to back them up in there terrorist attacks.

Read the article and stop lying.

article? you mean an article the vilifies israel? if you keep reading that kind of bullshit, then that's the kind of shit you will believe in...we can go back and forth....you support terrorists...i don't support settlers who are violent to palestinians. they should be prosecuted....that''s the difference...
 

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article? you mean an article the vilifies israel? if you keep reading that kind of bullshit, then that's the kind of shit you will believe in...we can go back and forth....you support terrorists...i don't support settlers who are violent to palestinians. they should be prosecuted....that''s the difference...
An article that reports on a UN demand that Israel stop backing settler terrorist attacks.
You are intentionally lying or lying to yourself now.

Which is it?

 
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Hamas laid out reason but they did not have to. What they laid out was no secret. Everyone reported on it and every zionist pretended it never happened.

Yeah terror attacks have no justifications. But it is not about whether something is justified or not. It is about whether something is a consequence of something else. Yes October 7 is a consequence of Israeli oppression of the Palestinians. Heck, Hamas is a consequence of Israeli oppression of the Palestinians.
Not sure what you're trying to say. Hamas laid out a half dozen different reasons in the media pamphlet they sent out but their leaders were clear in repeated interviews that their goal was to create a continual state of violence. And considering they have repeatedly rejected ceasefires, including the one demanded by the UNSC, it's pretty clear what the actual reason is.

More importantly, you claim terror attacks have no justification but you are continually trying to justify Oct 7.
 
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What a surprise, you were dishonest again!
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And as usual, moronic excuses to defend hamas from any criticism while also pointing out another thing Hamas should be condemned for.

The UNSC demanded Hamas immediately and unconditionally release their hostages. Hamas refused.
The UNSC demanded a ceasefire. Hamas rejected two mediated deals that Israel accepted during Ramadan.

Speaking of dishonest, you claim to support the UN but here you are saying that Hamas doesn't have to listen to the UNSC.
 

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So Hamas is right to fight against the foreign zionists who provoked a war against them?
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No. Hamas is openly fighting against the "zionist" presence like the PLO and Mufti before them. Their objection was that some Jews immigrated to the region and expected to have rights.

But you think Palestinians are incapable of making decisions for themselves or deserving of criticism for their choices.
 
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There were 233 zionist settler attacks in 2023 before Oct alone,...
There were also near daily attacks on Jewish civilians in the West Bank. We both agree that Settler extremists attacking Palestinian civilians is a horrible thing but sadly you celebrate Palestinians extremists attacking Jewish civilians. All part of your ridiculously racist double standard.
 

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They said many more October 7s would happen if Palestinian Statehood is not accomplished....
Bullshit.

Here's what they actually said.

It's been pretty clear that their motivation was Arab states were normalizing relations with Israel and they didn't like it. And it's worth saying again that even in their softest statements, they still say their ultimate goal is a Palestinian state from the River to the Sea.
 
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No, they don't. Just stop constantly lying, rich.
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You have a creative definition of lying. Settlers do get arrested and tried but probably not as often as they should. They are also subject to the exact same military courts and administrative detention you pretend is apartheid.

Israel has plenty of flaws and the political kowtowing to the settler movement is one of them but Israel's weak prosecution for Jewish terrorists is still far superior to the PA celebrating and paying Palestinian terrorists and Hamas being terrorists.
 

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Not sure what you're trying to say. Hamas laid out a half dozen different reasons in the media pamphlet they sent out but their leaders were clear in repeated interviews that their goal was to create a continual state of violence. And considering they have repeatedly rejected ceasefires, including the one demanded by the UNSC, it's pretty clear what the actual reason is.

More importantly, you claim terror attacks have no justification but you are continually trying to justify Oct 7.
Hamas said they attacked on Oct 7 in response to the 233 settler terrorist attacks, attacks on Gaza and attack on the Al Aqsa.
They are within their rights to attack Israeli military which is illegally occupying them, just as Ukraine is allowed to attack Russia.
They just can't target civilians, though we still have no idea if they did or how many they killed.

Meanwhile Israel has targeted and killed 30,000 people, most of whom are women and children.
No wonder the ICC is looking at charging Netanyahu.

 

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And as usual, moronic excuses to defend hamas from any criticism while also pointing out another thing Hamas should be condemned for.

The UNSC demanded Hamas immediately and unconditionally release their hostages. Hamas refused.
The UNSC demanded a ceasefire. Hamas rejected two mediated deals that Israel accepted during Ramadan.

Speaking of dishonest, you claim to support the UN but here you are saying that Hamas doesn't have to listen to the UNSC.
The UNSC also demanded Israel ceasefire, and they didn't.
The UNSC and ICJ demanded Israel not commit genocide, but they continue to kill.
The ICC is looking at charging Netanyahu.

If you back the charges on Hamas you must also support the charges on Israel.

 

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You have a creative definition of lying. Settlers do get arrested and tried but probably not as often as they should. They are also subject to the exact same military courts and administrative detention you pretend is apartheid.

Israel has plenty of flaws and the political kowtowing to the settler movement is one of them but Israel's weak prosecution for Jewish terrorists is still far superior to the PA celebrating and paying Palestinian terrorists and Hamas being terrorists.
You're lying.
Settlers are almost never charged and most settler terrorist attacks are supported by the IDF.

the stats are here
 

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I dont see the article saying anything radically different from what I summarized. ...
You can try actually reading instead of just looking for things to support your belief system.

it's amazing that you are so critical of Israeli statements that you believe them all to be lies but selectively believe anything Hamas says that fits you hatreds.
 

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You're lying.
Settlers are almost never charged...
Thank you for confirming exactly what I said. Settlers do get charged but not as often as they should.

Now how about the PA paying salaries to Palestinians convicted of violence and Hamas being the ones planning and committing violence?
 

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The UNSC also demanded Israel ceasefire, and they didn't.
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A ceasefire can't happen unless both sides agree and Israel has agreed to multiple ceasefires that Hamas has rejected.

Hamas are the only ones violating that UNSC order.
 

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Hamas said they attacked on Oct 7 in response to the 233 settler terrorist attacks, attacks on Gaza and attack on the Al Aqsa.
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So you think it's okay to kill, rape, and kidnap civilians because someone else was involved in attacks? You think it's okay to murder, rape, and kidnap civilians because some other civilians peacefully walked around Temple Mount as approved by the Jordanian WAQF?

I know consistency is not something that interests you but your justifications would allow Israel to kill any Palestinian they want because some other Palestinians attack Jewish civilians and some Muslims visit shared Jewish/Muslim sites.
 

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Thank you for confirming exactly what I said. Settlers do get charged but not as often as they should.

Now how about the PA paying salaries to Palestinians convicted of violence and Hamas being the ones planning and committing violence?
That's not what I said.
The IDF are actively supporting settlers, not only not arresting them, but actively backing settler terrorist attacks.
Settler terrorism is state policy.


According to Abu-Alia, the Israeli military arrived at the scene at around 3 p.m. local time, but did not stop the settlers from attacking the village. Instead, Israeli soldiers allowed them to raid homes, prevented Palestinian residents from moving around and blocked ambulances from reaching the injured, he alleged.
 

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A ceasefire can't happen unless both sides agree and Israel has agreed to multiple ceasefires that Hamas has rejected.

Hamas are the only ones violating that UNSC order.
Not at all.
Israel is the occupying power and the one invading Gaza.
They have to ceasefire and retreat.

Israel is violating the UN, ICJ and will soon be charged by the ICC.

 

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