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’15 Days To Slow the Spread’: On the Fourth Anniversary, a Reminder to Never Give Politicians That Power Again

kherg007

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I know quite a few elderly who refused to get it and guess what? They're still around, living their retired lives that they intended to. Whereas two of their friends had heart attacks and died, one within two weeks of getting the first booster and the other I think five days, but definitely not over a week.
Anecdotes can be helpful, but they can also be misleading and are considered the worst form of evidence. For example, I knew someone who tried a coke zero for the first time and later that day started feeling crook and came down with covid and had to be in hospital.
Proof?
 

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Anecdotes can be helpful, but they can also be misleading and are considered the worst form of evidence. For example, I knew someone who tried a coke zero for the first time and later that day started feeling crook and came down with covid and had to be in hospital.
Proof?
There's a few of us posting that are clean.
 
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Valcazar

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What we need is an honest look at this again. No conspiracy nuts, just scientists of all pov's and administrators so as to learn what to do next time, as there will be a next time.
Yes, but that's going to be very hard because there is a group actively working against any such honest work.
 

Valcazar

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There is data. You can look it up. Yes, older people were more vulnerable particularly Americans. But you can't just declare it was something else. I know how science works. I know the strengths, weaknesses, and limits of all sorts of data. So I can tell when someone doesn't know science. Many people who comment on covid clearly don't know science or how it actually works.
Look up the excess deaths. What caused that well outside the range rate? Why did all these extra people die? A rash of heart attacks? Tuberculosis?
That's my point. There is a concerted effort to bury this. Same thing happened in 1920 w the Spanish flu.
I don't think the 1920 flu was buried in the same way.
You have to separate the natural tendency to memory hole it and move on from the active desire to lie and misinform people about what actually happened.

The 1920 pandemic got forgotten and people moved on, but I don' t think there was ever an organized campaign to pretend it didn't happen and stop the government from taking steps to prevent something similar in the future.
 

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I don't think the 1920 flu was buried in the same way.
You have to separate the natural tendency to memory hole it and move on from the active desire to lie and misinform people about what actually happened.

The 1920 pandemic got forgotten and people moved on, but I don' t think there was ever an organized campaign to pretend it didn't happen and stop the government from taking steps to prevent something similar in the future.
The Spanish flu was subject to military censorship as none of the combatants wanting it getting out how how weakened their forces were so I would expect the limited coverage in the news would make an impact on public perception. That and the traditional desire to blame things on other countries.

The lack of an internet probably did mean that the conspiracy nuts couldn't find each other and just moved on with their lives though.
 

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He would have probably backed down on pushing/enforcing the vaccine. All is political for Trump. And all is about crushing his opponents. He does not give a shit about human health, human life, or anything that happens to you. Only himself matters. In his psychopathic mind, we are nothing. He wanted the vaccine in America to win a battle. That's all.
So then why did Joe Biden and every other Democrap force it upon Americans. You say Trump doesn't give a shit bout anyone but himself. Who do his nay sayers give a shit about.
 
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So then why did Joe Biden and every other Democrap force it upon Americans. You say Trump doesn't give a shit bout anyone but himself. Who do his nay sayers give shit about.
because the vaccine worked. It make ppl less sick. Avoid hospital. Diminishing the burden in hospitals so things could go back to normal. It's called science.

without vaccination many of us wouldn't be here. We would have died of polio. And/or many other diseases...

Back to Trump... he's a sick prick who only value his ego. Maybe a bit his trophy wife he bought. But he is upset his son his taller then him.
 

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because the vaccine worked. It make ppl less sick. Avoid hospital. Diminishing the burden in hospitals so things could go back to normal. It's called science.

without vaccination many of us wouldn't be here. We would have died of polio. And/or many other diseases...

Back to Trump... he's a sick prick who only value his ego. Maybe a bit his trophy wife he bought. But he is upset his son his taller then him.
So what you're saying is that Trump funded a life saving vaccine. He's hero then.
 

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So what you're saying is that Trump funded a life saving vaccine. He's hero then.
He didn’t technically funded it. He bought doses for a billion dollar. To make sure america would first get the vaccine. But yeah i must agree it was an important decision that save a lot of people.

And as much as i hate Trump he did day people should get vaccinated.
 
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Valcazar

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The Spanish flu was subject to military censorship as none of the combatants wanting it getting out how how weakened their forces were so I would expect the limited coverage in the news would make an impact on public perception. That and the traditional desire to blame things on other countries.

The lack of an internet probably did mean that the conspiracy nuts couldn't find each other and just moved on with their lives though.
It is the cultural impact post-pandemic that I'm talking about.
There was no concerted attempt to insist it didn't happen in the first place.
Did the wartime censorship help with the general forgetting? Probably.
But the fading of that flu from public attention over the decades is very different from the push to insist COVID never really happened, IMO.
 

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So what you're saying is that Trump funded a life saving vaccine. He's hero then.
He could have been, but by the time the vaccine came out, his base had already turned against it and he isn't going to fight for credit for that.
 

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Lessons from COVID Totalitarianism
By J.B. Shurk
The COVID police state revealed Western governments’ zeal for totalitarianism. Forced masking, forced experimental injections, forced school and business closures, forced isolation, and forced compliance provided Western citizens an opportunity to see the tyrannical inclinations hiding just beneath the surface of their supposedly beneficent “democracies.”
None of it was pretty. Mass propaganda disguised as medical expertise (remember when Joe Biden and his CDC army of Goebbels clones demanded that we wear three or more masks outside?) and mass censorship of social media conversations (because, we were frequently told, disinformation kills!) proved that — when push comes to shove — Western governments will quickly dispense with protections for free speech. Wannabe dictators (intent on protecting “democracy” by being authoritarian) embraced their true “Do as we say!” dispositions and branded the public’s rights and liberties as “enemies of the State.”
Officials summarily punished anyone who resisted COVID’s descending Iron Curtain. Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau seized the bank accounts and property titles of Freedom Convoy protesters. Videos from Australia and New Zealand showing police forces blocking roads, securing quarantine camps, and pushing citizens back into their homes looked like scenes from a Mad Max movie. California Democrats buried skateparks in sand, cordoned off jungle-gyms with yellow crime tape, and arrested lone surfers paddling in the ocean. Abandoning moderation and constitutional constraints, Western totalitarians embraced intimidation, coercion, and surveillance on a wide scale.

Throughout the West, governments prohibited places of worship from conducting religious services, recorded license plate numbers of congregants, and issued excessive fines to clergy. Those same governments prevented families from comforting hospitalized loved-ones and forced spouses, parents, and grandparents to die heartbroken and alone. In other words, Western officials tore families apart, inflicted tremendous emotional pain upon the most vulnerable, and denied the anguished any access to spiritual refuge. It is no surprise that such intentional government malice produced skyrocketing rates of alcohol and drug addiction, lifelong psychological traumas, and a burgeoning epidemic of suicide.
So-called Western “democracies” masked their rank authoritarianism behind trite catchphrases such as, “We’re just following the Science,” or “We’re working at the speed of Science,” or “We trust the Science.” For all intents and purposes, politicians, health professionals, and media personalities encouraged citizens to mindlessly follow orders and obey Science as this century’s Führer. Herr Science did his worst. Economic destruction, social breakdown, and medical apartheid naturally followed. And while Western governments continue to censor public discussion of these serious issues, the “Reign of COVID Terror” represents the largest international conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity. If justice as a juridical principle were still alive and kicking, a vast number of government officials and bureaucrats would be defending themselves before Nuremberg-like prosecutions today.

It should also be noted that while many of governments’ most egregious abuses against citizens are now treated as if they never happened (e.g., it is all the rage these days for politicians and medical professionals to claim that nobody was ever forced to take the experimental clot shots), there are still ample reminders of the West’s foray into COVID totalitarianism. The world’s largest social media companies (which have all been exposed as surveillance systems and propaganda platforms that variously do the bidding of China, the European Union, or the United States) continue to censor scientific debate regarding the origin of the virus (shocker: it leaked — intentionally or not — from a Chinese lab conducting biological weapons research bankrolled, in part, by the U.S. government), the efficacy of the so-called “vaccines,” and growing evidence that these experimental injections cause a large number of harmful (if not outright deadly) side effects. Joe Biden stands by his vitriolic attacks against un-“vaccinated” Americans and his dire warning that they would be held personally responsible for the country’s “severe illness and death.”

The Pentagon persists in punishing servicemembers who refuse experimental injections. The CDC and other health bodies remain ambivalent toward alternative treatment options that do not put big bucks in Big Pharma’s coffers — including long-prescribed drugs such as Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and common-sense recommendations regarding diet, vitamin intake, and physical exercise. The World Health Organization (and its globalist sponsors in the United Nations and World Economic Forum) remains committed to using the public’s irrational fear of COVID as a suitable pretext for ratifying a broad international pandemic treaty that obliterates national sovereignty and places unprecedented economic and regulatory power into the hands of a few imperious “elites.” Always lingering in the background is the totalitarian craving to issue pandemic passports and institute a digital tracking system on a global scale. Western governments were so close to electronically tagging citizens during COVID that you can feel the worst offenders’ consternation at having not entirely succeeded. Make no mistake, the WHO, WEF, and UN will not be happy until we are all branded with this century’s version of the Holocaust tattoo.

Finally, even after four years of viral doomsaying has exhausted most, it is still all too common to find left-leaning businesses in left-leaning cities displaying guilt-tripping signs that beg customers to “mask up” or otherwise obey. It seems that for those who bought the COVID Hoax hook, line, and sinker, no amount of medical quackery or Big Brother heavy-handedness will convince the indoctrinated to come up from their rabbit holes or back through the looking-glass. As many a poker player will tell you, if you look around the table and can’t spot the sucker, then you are the sucker. Unfortunately, too many COVID suckers in the West are still losing while playing at the government’s crooked table.

As Western officials target their own populations with cognitive warfare meant to shape perceptions and manipulate preferences, their use of positive and negative reinforcement on a grand scale has become pervasive. Under these standard conditioning procedures, authority figures derisively dismiss people who use their brains to evaluate research and make informed decisions as “anti-vaxxers” or “anti-science” rubes. Conversely, self-described “experts” pat the most obedient among us on the head, tell them how smart they are for believing everything they’re told, and roll out new booster shots as a kind of pharmaceutical reward. Raise your hand if you’re still standing six feet away from fellow shoppers (even after the “experts” admitted to fabricating that rule out of whole cloth), wearing a mask while driving alone in the car, and injecting your body full of experimental goop. If so, you’re a boob!
For those who long ago saw through Western governments’ calculated strategy of applying electric shock therapy to freethinkers while handing out toxic cookies to the perpetually-vaxxed, here is something else to ponder for the future. What we experienced during COVID felt like pure insanity. Medical doctors betrayed their ethical duties by pushing unnecessary and experimental medical treatments on young and healthy individuals without advising them of potentially catastrophic long-term side effects (otherwise known as obtaining informed consent).

Instead of encouraging people to go outside, engage in physical activity, get some sunshine, and breathe fresh air, municipal tyrants closed playgrounds, ticketed joggers, and trapped people indoors. When cities such as New York began requiring “vax cards” to move around, a lot of worried people saw what was over the horizon and ran to their local farming store looking for seeds for their home gardens. Amazingly, some of these stores closed their seed supplies to the public — ostensibly because COVID authoritarians wanted to curtail outdoor activity.

The next time scientists release a bioweapon, Western governments will return to their 2020 mindset. They will make a hard push for mandatory injections and digital vaccine passports. They will cultivate citizens’ dependence on government services by limiting their ability to sustain themselves. They do not want people growing their own food. To fight totalitarianism, then, grow a freedom garden.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/05/lessons_from_covid_totalitarianism.html
 
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