AI Girlfriends - The movie 'Her' now a reality.

[IM469]

Note - this thread is not a technology thread on creating AI images but a reflection on the direction AI is having socially.

While only recently aware of AI influencers, I had no idea that AI companionship as demonstrated in the movie ;Her; is here now.

There is a constant warning that these AI friends can remove you from normal social interactions and you become a technology hermit.

There was a few early Star Trek episodes that touched on robots taking over by pacifying us (Mudd's women,) or indistinguishable from real women (What little girls are made of') both now actually possible.

It's becoming a whole new world out there.

 

[y2kmark]

Note - this thread is not a technology thread on creating AI images but a reflection on the direction AI is having socially.

While only recently aware of AI influencers, I had no idea that AI companionship as demonstrated in the movie ;Her; is here now.

There is a constant warning that these AI friends can remove you from normal social interactions and you become a technology hermit.

There was a few early Star Trek episodes that touched on robots taking over by pacifying us (Mudd's women,) or indistinguishable from real women (What little girls are made of') both now actually possible.

It's becoming a whole new world out there.

Something of a cross between "Debbie Does Dallas" and "Westworld"???

 

[SQUAD51]

Note - this thread is not a technology thread on creating AI images but a reflection on the direction AI is having socially.

While only recently aware of AI influencers, I had no idea that AI companionship as demonstrated in the movie ;Her; is here now.

There is a constant warning that these AI friends can remove you from normal social interactions and you become a technology hermit.

There was a few early Star Trek episodes that touched on robots taking over by pacifying us (Mudd's women,) or indistinguishable from real women (What little girls are made of') both now actually possible.

It's becoming a whole new world out there.

reminds me of an episode of BBT and Siri...

 

[southpaw]

Relax everyone, you're overreacting. They won't replace this industry. SPs and their customers will continue to trade, regardless of how many AI GFs there are.

 

[tris_82]

This is not Her yet, not even remotely.
In the movie AI were advanced enough to be curious about world, interact with other AIs covertly, discover their own new truths. They also had freedom to get together and dump their human partners.

Our AIs are pretty much CSV files that predict the most common completion of a prompt according to their training data set.

Still way to go.

Also, everyone concerned with AI making us hermits. I can imagine the opposite, where I and my AI would go on a double date with someone and their AI, and AIs will improve chances of us humans bonding faster and stronger.

The future can be good or bad, all depends on you.

 

[IM469]

This is not Her yet, not even remotely.
In the movie AI were advanced enough to be curious about world, interact with other AIs covertly, discover their own new truths. They also had freedom to get together and dump their human partners.

Our AIs are pretty much CSV files that predict the most common completion of a prompt according to their training data set.

The AI aspect of these girlfriends is that they learn from your interaction. This is not a simple computer program following a set of predictable CSV files. You may set up the initial preferences as a seed but the 'personality' that develops is learned from your behavior and will be different from other people's AL girlfriend that started from the same seed. That is the AI aspect of this type of interaction. And similar to 'Her' you can share experiences, have phone calls and even video calls.

There have been alarm bells : https://www.cnn.com/videos/business...-ruining-generation-of-men-smerconish-vpx.cnn

The prediction mentioned by the lady referenced in the article is also not unforeseeable - the new love dolls which which are improving are coupled with the AI girlfriend to add yet another dimension towards the reality of your perfect girlfriend.

I think you are underestimating the concept (however remote now) that these AI's can share thoughts. Your AI girlfriend is not living only on your computer Like CHAT GPT, you are having a session on a shared resource. Your girlfriend is responding to you based on learned patterns stored on this shared resource. I suggest that it is not physically impossible for a pattern bias domestic, artificial hiccup or foreign to influence the way your girlfriend is responding to you. What regulations exist tom prevent me from setting these AI girlfriends for the prime purpose of obtaining personal data or influencing you subconsciously ?

I am not trying to suggest the sky is falling (yet) - I think this new technology is going to have a major impact and that it is currently the wild west with little or no regulations.

 

[tris_82]

The AI aspect of these girlfriends is that they learn from your interaction. This is not a simple computer program following a set of predictable CSV files. You may set up the initial preferences as a seed but the 'personality' that develops is learned from your behavior and will be different from other people's AL girlfriend that started from the same seed. That is the AI aspect of this type of interaction. And similar to 'Her' you can share experiences, have phone calls and even video calls.

There have been alarm bells : https://www.cnn.com/videos/business...-ruining-generation-of-men-smerconish-vpx.cnn

The prediction mentioned by the lady referenced in the article is also not unforeseeable - the new love dolls which which are improving are coupled with the AI girlfriend to add yet another dimension towards the reality of your perfect girlfriend.

I think you are underestimating the concept (however remote now) that these AI's can share thoughts. Your AI girlfriend is not living only on your computer Like CHAT GPT, you are having a session on a shared resource. Your girlfriend is responding to you based on learned patterns stored on this shared resource. I suggest that it is not physically impossible for a pattern bias domestic, artificial hiccup or foreign to influence the way your girlfriend is responding to you. What regulations exist tom prevent me from setting these AI girlfriends for the prime purpose of obtaining personal data or influencing you subconsciously ?

I am not trying to suggest the sky is falling (yet) - I think this new technology is going to have a major impact and that it is currently the wild west with little or no regulations.

What meaning do you put into "learn". The fact that the base model gets automatically fine-tuned based on your responses? Yes that is still basically a csv file having weights adjusted. It is simple math actually, just on a gigantic scale.

I understand how technology works and find that yes AI in the movie had properties that a similar to what we have right now in terms of user experience, but also had other properties that are unachievable currently until we get AGI that is sentient. Yes some group who has access to backend of AI girlfriends can manipulate users, which is an entire separate aspect from non-living biological entity have a freedom of will, action and expression.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Those guys would probably be jealous if they knew that their virtual girlfriend was doing 907, 803 other dudes on the side.

 

[IM469]

Yes that is still basically a csv file having weights adjusted. It is simple math actually, just on a gigantic scale.

I don't want this thread to turn into a lecture about AI, artificial neural networks, deep learning, etc.

Let's check your simple math theory with ChatGPT. Type in : ' Write a paragraph about a yellow dog eating a banana '
After ChatGPT responds type the same identical sentence : ' Write a paragraph about a yellow dog eating a banana '

If this was following a predictable result based on math - why are the results not identical ? They maybe similar but they are not identical.

Imagine what happens if the AI girlfriend gets its modifiers based on the endless stream of thoughts from the customer. The AI becomes the perfect girlfriend. The technology is only improving so I suggest you can have people with draw from reality and this service only exacerbates his inability to have normal social interaction.

 

[Scholar]

My fear would be that my AI acted more like Jexi...

Jexi (2019) ⭐ 6.0 | Comedy, Romance, Sci-Fi

1h 24m | 16

www.imdb.com

 

[HungSowel]

I don't want this thread to turn into a lecture about AI, artificial neural networks, deep learning, etc.

Let's check your simple math theory with ChatGPT. Type in : ' Write a paragraph about a yellow dog eating a banana '
After ChatGPT responds type the same identical sentence : ' Write a paragraph about a yellow dog eating a banana '

If this was following a predictable result based on math - why are the results not identical ? They maybe similar but they are not identical.

Imagine what happens if the AI girlfriend gets its modifiers based on the endless stream of thoughts from the customer. The AI becomes the perfect girlfriend. The technology is only improving so I suggest you can have people with draw from reality and this service only exacerbates his inability to have normal social interaction.

A small amount of entropy is added so the results vary a bit. You would not just look at two results and make a conclusion, you would need to look at a large number of results to make a conclusion.

A giant CSV file is a more accurate analogy to what we call AI than not.

Right now what we have is machine learning, that is the correct term. AI is a nebulous term that means nothing and everything.

 

[IM469]

A small amount of entropy is added so the results vary a bit.

Then it isn't simple math. If you answered a question on a math test and got the wrong answer, would you would tell the teacher it's math - I just added some entropy, with a dash of fuzzy logic and a little tad of modifier ?

I would not relate stored data as a CSV file anymore that I would refer to the movie stored on your disk drive as a long text file. Comma-separated values is a text file format that uses commas to separate values.

AI starts with vast quantities of data in the form of records, books, art languages but it is not simply recalling data with a small amount of 'entropy' . Google retrieves data but it is not ChatGTP. Google cannot use the access to this data to create art, speak languages, write computer code or remember personal traits and then create an artificial persona to carry on conversations.

I would not equate CSV files to AI any more than try to equate the functionality of a computer to a bunch of digital logic gates.

Okay ... You got me. AI doesn't exist. AI girlfriends don't exist. There are not any AI generated images - just talented artists locked in a small room in India.

 

[HungSowel]

Then it isn't simple math. If you answered a question on a math test and got the wrong answer, would you would tell the teacher it's math - I just added some entropy, with a dash of fuzzy logic and a little tad of modifier ?

I would not relate stored data as a CSV file anymore that I would refer to the movie stored on your disk drive as a long text file. Comma-separated values is a text file format that uses commas to separate values.

AI starts with vast quantities of data in the form of records, books, art languages but it is not simply recalling data with a small amount of 'entropy' . Google retrieves data but it is not ChatGTP. Google cannot use the access to this data to create art, speak languages, write computer code or remember personal traits and then create an artificial persona to carry on conversations.

I would not equate CSV files to AI any more than try to equate the functionality of a computer to a bunch of digital logic gates.

Okay ... You got me. AI doesn't exist. AI girlfriends don't exist. There are not any AI generated images - just talented artists locked in a small room in India.

Regarding the math test, it depends on the test. If you need to calculate with decimals then a computer is not exact as there is imprecision when it comes to using floating-point arithmetic. If you are using functions other than BEDMAS then the calculation is not perfectly precise as functions such as log, ln, sin, cos, etc... are done using approximations. If the test involved only integers and BEDMAS, then you will get a precise result. Exact results are usually not possible, if non-exact results are evidence of AI then it makes no sense to me.

 

[Valcazar]

A small amount of entropy is added so the results vary a bit. You would not just look at two results and make a conclusion, you would need to look at a large number of results to make a conclusion.

A giant CSV file is a more accurate analogy to what we call AI than not.

Right now what we have is machine learning, that is the correct term. AI is a nebulous term that means nothing and everything.

People really don't understand how imprecise "AI" is as a description.

 

[IM469]

Regarding the math test, it depends on the test. If you need to calculate with decimals then a computer is not exact as there is imprecision when it comes to using floating-point arithmetic. If you are using functions other than BEDMAS then the calculation is not perfectly precise as functions such as log, ln, sin, cos, etc... are done using approximations. If the test involved only integers and BEDMAS, then you will get a precise result. Exact results are usually not possible, if non-exact results are evidence of AI then it makes no sense to me.

Functions as log, sin, ln are precise numbers. Sin 45 = 0.70710678 to 8 digits. Calculated accuracy would vary but not the true number. I fail to see how this small discrepancy could account for completely different answers from ChatGTP to the 5 identical words provided. Non-identical outputs are not AI but a characteristic of AI.

I invite you to try ChatGTP - it's free and if you think it is just a fast number cruncher - you will be pleasantly surprised. Ask it to create something that doesn't exist. A short story about a topic, maybe software code - you will gain insight how this technology is gaining so much attention.

People really don't understand how imprecise "AI" is as a description.

I think the artificial intelligence is viewed by many as robots capable of thought. My understanding is that the term follows the core process which has been set up to mimic the process that the human brain uses when it treat various input (~data). The refinement and expansion of the process as lead to extraordinary creative capabilities. The speed that this AI technology seems to follow is the same exponential growth that computers, phones, etc has followed and this has created some alarm in several industry leaders.

The particular application that this thread was started is the dramatic grow of AI girlfriends and it's social implications. In this topic it would appear that I'm the paranoid one.

 

[Valcazar]

I think the artificial intelligence is viewed by many as robots capable of thought.

Yes. That's the common popular meaning - but that is vague and imprecise and doesn't really mean anything specific to most people and they don't know how to define it.
It's just hand wavy.

As for how it is used in marketing - that's something else again.

As for how it is used in the research - that's something else again.

The particular application that this thread was started is the dramatic grow of AI girlfriends and it's social implications. In this topic it would appear that I'm the paranoid one.

Neat. What do you think qualifies as an "AI girlfriend"?

 

[IM469]

Neat. What do you think qualifies as an "AI girlfriend"?

I'm glad you keep the distinction 'what do I think' because I don't know but only give an opinion based on what I've gleamed from various sources.

To me AI is not a thinking entity, it is a new process made from multiple different algorithms and data processes that provide unique (creative ?) outputs based on accumulated data input. For instance, you can put in multiple author novels as a seed and AI will generate a novel written with similar characteristics as the author. Similarly, inputting many paintings will allow it ton provide a new image on a topic you submit in the same characteristic as the artist. My understanding is this has created a legal questions of royalties based on learned content. A basic AI capability is to self correct and change the output. In electronics it's negative feedback, similarly target correction allows you to adjust to hit the target. I have laid the foundation of my opinion on AI to provide the following answer to your question.

I think of an AI girlfriend as an interactive program that understands, learns and adjust it's output to meet your idea of the perfect companion. This AI girlfriend gathers more data from your interaction and modifies it's personality to make communications with you seamless. You may have problems communication with a real woman but not this 'person'. You may be the most boring person at the party but now you have a person that thinks like you and you can communicate effortlessly.

My concern (paranoia ?) is that as the AI technology grows, these AI girlfriends will isolate a lot of lonely people from society.

 

[Valcazar]

I'm glad you keep the distinction 'what do I think' because I don't know but only give an opinion based on what I've gleamed from various sources.

To me AI is not a thinking entity, it is a new process made from multiple different algorithms and data processes that provide unique (creative ?) outputs based on accumulated data input. For instance, you can put in multiple author novels as a seed and AI will generate a novel written with similar characteristics as the author. Similarly, inputting many paintings will allow it ton provide a new image on a topic you submit in the same characteristic as the artist. My understanding is this has created a legal questions of royalties based on learned content. A basic AI capability is to self correct and change the output. In electronics it's negative feedback, similarly target correction allows you to adjust to hit the target. I have laid the foundation of my opinion on AI to provide the following answer to your question.

I think of an AI girlfriend as an interactive program that understands, learns and adjust it's output to meet your idea of the perfect companion. This AI girlfriend gathers more data from your interaction and modifies it's personality to make communications with you seamless. You may have problems communication with a real woman but not this 'person'. You may be the most boring person at the party but now you have a person that thinks like you and you can communicate effortlessly.

My concern (paranoia ?) is that as the AI technology grows, these AI girlfriends will isolate a lot of lonely people from society.

Thanks for the elaboration.
Personally, I don't think that's much more of a threat than social isolation already is.
Maybe a small effect on the margins, but the means for isolation are already there to a significant degree so I don't see any major shift due to the technology.
Perhaps I am wrong.

 

[IM469]

Thanks for the elaboration.
Personally, I don't think that's much more of a threat than social isolation already is.
Maybe a small effect on the margins, but the means for isolation are already there to a significant degree so I don't see any major shift due to the technology.
Perhaps I am wrong.

We are talking about social interaction, there is also significant progress in developing physical sex robots. Lately some of these larger manufacturer have already announced AI girlfriend personalities into their future models.

If this AI equipped girlfriend does laundry, cooks dinner, and absolutely rocks my world sexually ... I might make that social isolation number bigger myself.

Would I choose the artificial world above or the reality below ?



Time will tell but .....

 

[Valcazar]

If this AI equipped girlfriend does laundry, cooks dinner, and absolutely rocks my world sexually ... I might make that social isolation number bigger myself.

Would I choose the artificial world above or the reality below ?

Sure, but it won't.
Not anytime soon.