Planet Fitness value plummets after Trans policy outrage

[NotADcotor]

"How" your junk works and "what" gives someone an erection are very different things. We are not talking about the science of "how" here. We are talking about the "what", which as I explained is personal to every human. If you cannot understand that basic difference, is there a point to even going further? Your argument falls apart right there.

Secondly, there is the minor hypocrisy in Orry's statement, where he repeatedly makes anti-LGBTQ comments, only to now claim he knows what gives a man/transwoman an erection! How would he know, if he himself wasn't involved with said person? As I said, it is personal after all, that only intimate partners would know. So is my comment really an insult for being gay? No. Is it one that makes fun of Orry's hypocrisy? Yes. I don't think that got through either for you. So once again, your argument falls apart.

If you had taken your own advice, you'd have shut your trap long ago, after I exposed you in just about every discussion you had with me. Now you've ended up butthurt. Hope your rehab with NotADcotor goes well. Careful though. He is "NOT A DOCTOR!!".

First paragraph, complete misses the point.
Second paragraph, I see you are changing argumentation
First paragraph. I notice you keep using the term butthurt. I don't think that word means what you think it means. Also rather cute in a sad and pathetic way that you think your comments about a typo on my name [which they won't allow me to change or fix] makes you think you got one on me, that and your not a doctor thing, Yeah that's my name, why would he go for rehab with someone who flat out says he is not a doctor.

Dude, just give up, you are so bad at this that you can't even notice you bad you are.

 

[Kautilya]

First paragraph, complete misses the point.
Second paragraph, I see you are changing argumentation
First paragraph. I notice you keep using the term butthurt. I don't think that word means what you think it means. Also rather cute in a sad and pathetic way that you think your comments about a typo on my name [which they won't allow me to change or fix] makes you think you got one on me, that and your not a doctor thing, Yeah that's my name, why would he go for rehab with someone who flat out says he is not a doctor.

Dude, just give up, you are so bad at this that you can't even notice you bad you are.

Word salad and rambling after I just explained to you like I would to a first grader lol. You keep saying - "You are so bad at this" or "It doesn't mean what you think it means", like you know something that no one else does, but you have already explained your position and I have shown you how your argument falls apart. And why would shack go to rehab with you? I don't know. Maybe because it looks like you guys have formed a support group for hurt feelings on here. lol.

 

[Ahri]

I would definitely feel uncomfortable if I walk in to my gym change room and see this

 

[Jenesis]

Jenesis you are clearly a women and you can support who you want but these men are not women period ! They have a clear mental illness
It’s ok to be kind but can we please stop being delusional amd telling these trannies the are women stop feeding the illness

Yes. Gender dysmorphia is a diagnosed illness. And I refer to the doctors for what to do.

This disorder is treatable. Like most others are. Depression, Bi-Polar, etc. The way this disorder is treated is by changing the outter environment to match the inner environment.

I’m an advocate for mental illness and proper treatment. I believe that trans women are women. All women are different. And I think that is ok.

I think PF should be investing in safe spaces for everyone. And I think mid-transition should have their own area for changing. I see nothing wrong with being inclusive and accommodating. Just not at the expense of someone else.

 

[richaceg]

Word salad and rambling after I just explained to you like I would to a first grader lol. You keep saying - "You are so bad at this" or "It doesn't mean what you think it means", like you know something that no one else does, but you have already explained your position and I have shown you how your argument falls apart. And why would shack go to rehab with you? I don't know. Maybe because it looks like you guys have formed a support group for hurt feelings on here. lol.

I know you're all in with the "trans are women because they identify and feel like women" nonsense and have doubled down with this.... In fact you even discredit experts with PHD and call them "grifters" despite funded research that proved you wrong....but how is it that this trans feelings should be catered upon because he feels uncomfortable in mens changerooms, and it trumps women's feelings if they feel uncomfortable having him in their washroom? why is there a prefix "trans" if they are indeed women?

 

[TomFord1980]

The UFC literally has LGBTQ fighters. Who literally kiss in the Octagon after the fight. The UFC also invites Mark Zuckerberg to its events. It doesn't mean anything. You shouldn't consider the UFC as some anti-woke, conservative organization. It is not. They dont really have a political affiliation.

Did you know that Dana White hosts Donald John Trump at their events regularly? Did you know that Joseph Robinette Biden has not been invited to one?

Ufc is definitely conservative. You must not watch any other fights except when the LBGTQLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ fighters are fighting.

 

[Kautilya]

I know you're all in with the "trans are women because they identify and feel like women" nonsense and have doubled down with this.... In fact you even discredit experts with PHD and call them "grifters" despite funded research that proved you wrong....but how is it that this trans feelings should be catered upon because he feels uncomfortable in mens changerooms, and it trumps women's feelings if they feel uncomfortable having him in their washroom? why is there a prefix "trans" if they are indeed women?

Because most women are not complaining about it. The issue is with persons who are not transitioned like this guy in the pic. Which is why I was saying earlier a mid ground could be that untransitioned individuals continue using the men's washrooms until they are atleast sufficiently transitioned to pass for women. I posted a pic of a very feminine trans woman earlier. No one would have a problem with her.

Did you know that Dana White hosts Donald John Trump at their events regularly? Did you know that Joseph Robinette Biden has not been invited to one?

Ufc is definitely conservative. You must not watch any other fights except when the LBGTQLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ fighters are fighting.

Yeah I also know they invite Mark Zuckerberg. They have LGBTQ fighters. UFC is not a political organization. Are you saying every single sponsor of the UFC is conservative? You'd be terribly wrong.

 

[richaceg]

Because most women are not complaining about it. The issue is with persons who are not transitioned like this guy in the pic. Which is why I was saying earlier a mid ground could be that untransitioned individuals continue using the men's washrooms until they are atleast sufficiently transitioned to pass for women. I posted a pic of a very feminine trans woman earlier. No one would have a problem with her.

Yeah I also know they invite Mark Zuckerberg. They have LGBTQ fighters. UFC is not a political organization. Are you saying every single sponsor of the UFC is conservative? You'd be terribly wrong.

A lot of womem complained when Lia Thomas started using womens rooms... IMO the stigma won't go away just because you now look like a chick...sure you can probably get away if you already look like a chick and nobody knows your history in the bathroom...

 

[Kautilya]

A lot of womem complained when Lia Thomas started using womens rooms... IMO the stigma won't go away just because you now look like a chick...sure you can probably get away if you already look like a chick and nobody knows your history in the bathroom...

The stigma is not with women. It is with righties. No one cares about that. Lol.

 

[Jenesis]

I know you're all in with the "trans are women because they identify and feel like women" nonsense and have doubled down with this.... In fact you even discredit experts with PHD and call them "grifters" despite funded research that proved you wrong....but how is it that this trans feelings should be catered upon because he feels uncomfortable in mens changerooms, and it trumps women's feelings if they feel uncomfortable having him in their washroom? why is there a prefix "trans" if they are indeed women?

That is my thing as well.

It is the age old tale of competing rights. Both trans and cis gendered women have rights. This is about the rights of the many cis gender women who use the woman’s assigned change room vrs the one trans person.

How is it fair that so many are put out for the needs of one person.

 

[Jenesis]

Because most women are not complaining about it.

Because if we do - we labeled transphobic and a “rightie”

 

[richaceg]

The stigma is not with women. It is with righties. No one cares about that. Lol.

so in one fell swoop, you label anybody that don't agree with you, "righties"....sounds dumb.

 

[onomatopoeia]

I have a theory that many of these 'physically unconvincing' trans women are actually 'moles' from the Right, with a mission to sabotage the coalition of Far Left special interest groups by turning them against each other.

It was Adolph Hitler who first profited from the political strategy of uniting disparate groups by creating a common enemy upon which all of society's ills could be blamed. The Left also has an unwritten gentleperson's agreement that no individual or group within their confederation will criticize one of their own. It would seem that a sound strategy to attempt to fracture a voting block of that nature would be to attack it from the inside, while pretending to be one of them.

 

[shack]

If you had taken your own advice, you'd have shut your trap long ago, after I exposed you in just about every discussion you had with me. Now you've ended up butthurt.

You exposed me as having superior debating skills to you.

You were hurling a homophobic slur at Oracle and others agree. Sarcastically asking how he knows so much about dicks and erections, you imagine the answer is by having lots of experience.

It's clearly a homophobic slur,

 

[The Oracle]

I have a theory that many of these 'physically unconvincing' trans women are actually 'moles' from the Right, with a mission to sabotage the coalition of Far Left special interest groups by turning them against each other.

It was Adolph Hitler who first profited from the political strategy of uniting disparate groups by creating a common enemy upon which all of society's ills could be blamed. The Left also has an unwritten gentleperson's agreement that no individual or group within their confederation will criticize one of their own. It would seem that a sound strategy to attempt to fracture a voting block of that nature would be to attack it from the inside, while pretending to be one of them.

Kayla Lemieux?

 

[richaceg]

I have a theory that many of these 'physically unconvincing' trans women are actually 'moles' from the Right, with a mission to sabotage the coalition of Far Left special interest groups by turning them against each other.

It was Adolph Hitler who first profited from the political strategy of uniting disparate groups by creating a common enemy upon which all of society's ills could be blamed. The Left also has an unwritten gentleperson's agreement that no individual or group within their confederation will criticize one of their own. It would seem that a sound strategy to attempt to fracture a voting block of that nature would be to attack it from the inside, while pretending to be one of them.

just like, queers for palestine and the likes? you think Righties need a mole for them? Let these protesters try these in Syria, Iran, Yemen, and they will find out...

 

[Kautilya]

You exposed me as having superior debating skills to you.

You were hurling a homophobic slur at Oracle and others agree. Sarcastically asking how he knows so much about dicks and erections, you imagine the answer is by having lots of experience.

It's clearly a homophobic slur,

Yes you are so superior in your debating skills you have ended up pretzeling yourself multiple times, admitting you were racist, white supremacist, advocating apartheid, genocide etc amongst other things. Good job trashing yourself.

Also constantly saying "others agree" is a sign of weakness and a lack of conviction. Be your own man. You don't need anyone else's support. It's shameful that someone so much younger than you has to say this to you. The fact that you rely on others shows me you lack conviction or confidence about the things you say.

And my comment is clearly not a homophobic slur because it points out Oracle's homophobia. That is the only way to read that comment if you were paying any attention. It is especially not homophobic because I have no problem with Oracle being gay. But someone who is gay shouldn't repeatedly trash LGBTQ+ people for their sexual orientation or gender identities.

Because if we do - we labeled transphobic and a “rightie”

There are women who do. They usually do tend to be righties. If you complain about this guy in the however I am not gonna call you a rightie. I myself haven't defended this person in this thread.

so in one fell swoop, you label anybody that don't agree with you, "righties"....sounds dumb.

You made a blanket statement that transwomen regardless of how they look, or their transition status shouldn't use women's washroom. That's a rightie thing and yes it is dumb to say that.

 

[Phatazluvr123]

Yes you are so superior in your debating skills you have ended up pretzeling yourself multiple times, admitting you were racist, white supremacist, advocating apartheid, genocide etc amongst other things. Good job trashing yourself.

Also constantly saying "others agree" is a sign of weakness and a lack of conviction. Be your own man. You don't need anyone else's support. It's shameful that someone so much younger than you has to say this to you. The fact that you rely on others shows me you lack conviction or confidence about the things you say.

And my comment is clearly not a homophobic slur because it points out Oracle's homophobia. That is the only way to read that comment if you were paying any attention. It is especially not homophobic because I have no problem with Oracle being gay. But someone who is gay shouldn't repeatedly trash LGBTQ+ people for their sexual orientation or gender identities.

There are women who do. They usually do tend to be righties. If you complain about this guy in the however I am not gonna call you a rightie. I myself haven't defended this person in this thread.

You made a blanket statement that transwomen regardless of how they look, or their transition status shouldn't use women's washroom. That's a rightie thing and yes it is dumb to say that.

It is most definitely a right wing opinion and it’s based in reality you lunatic lefties want to live in delusional places all the time
In all of history is only two genders now a year ago the world of followers have gone to shit

 

[shack]

Yes you are so superior in your debating skills you have ended up pretzeling yourself multiple times,

Where exactly did I change my tune? I keep saying that you tried using a homophobic and subsequently had to explain it to you. Maybe you don't know what pretzeling means along with homophobic.

admitting you were racist, white supremacist, advocating apartheid, genocide etc amongst other things. Good job trashing yourself.

keeps politics out of all the other threads. The mods are strictly insisting that this is against the rules.

Also constantly saying "others agree" is a sign of weakness and a lack of conviction. Be your own man. You don't need anyone else's support. It's shameful that someone so much younger than you has to say this to you. The fact that you rely on others shows me you lack conviction or confidence about the things you say..

No, it is a sign that my criticism is not being borne of the hate that you accuse me of but that others, with no skin in the game, objectively agree with my assessment of your homophobia. It is a reaffirmation of the strength of my statement.

And my comment is clearly not a homophobic slur because it points out Oracle's homophobia. That is the only way to read that comment if you were paying any attention. It is especially not homophobic because I have no problem with Oracle being gay. But someone who is gay shouldn't repeatedly trash LGBTQ+ people for their sexual orientation or gender identities..

Whaaaat? Oracle is a gay and homophobic at the same time according to you. And you have the gall to say that I twist myself into pretzels? You should stop before you totally embarrass yourself anymore. You comments are getting to be as cringeworthy as Larry David.

You made a blanket statement that transwomen regardless of how they look, or their transition status shouldn't use women's washroom. That's a rightie thing and yes it is dumb to say that.

You are completely clued out.

I read the thread and made no comments one way or the other on the topic at hand. I believe the 1st comment I made was pointing your homophobia. Please admit that I never made any such statement, blanket or otherwise. Find the post or issue an apology.

Here is my 1st post on this topic. #63

That's a homophobic comment.

 

[Kautilya]

Where exactly did I change my tune? I keep saying that you tried using a homophobic and subsequently had to explain it to you. Maybe you don't know what pretzeling means along with homophobic.

keeps politics out of all the other threads. The mods are strictly insisting that this is against the rules.

You always pretzel yourself in just about any argument that I have had with you as I pointed out in my previous comments.

And yes, keep politics out of all other threads. Accusations of homophobia are a hot button political topic and should be kept to the appropriate threads on the Politics forum. Falsely accusing someone of homophobia, like you have done just now, not only does not belong in the Lounge forums, but also amounts to trolling which is against TERB rules.

No, it is a sign that my criticism is not being borne of the hate that you accuse me of but that others, with no skin in the game, objectively agree with my assessment of your homophobia. It is a reaffirmation of the strength of my statement.

Relying on others for support, and pointing it out, is a sign of weakness and a lack of conviction in what you are trying to say. You do not believe what you are saying, so you need people with skin in the game to agree with you, so you feel better about your positions. Your statements couldn't be weaker.

Whaaaat? Oracle is a gay and homophobic at the same time according to you. And you have the gall to say that I twist myself into pretzels? You should stop before you totally embarrass yourself anymore. You comments are getting to be as cringeworthy as Larry David.

Closeted people can be homophobic and infact often times are. That said I should have said IF Oracle was gay, I was okay with it. But that does not change the fact that I am totally okay with it. I have only 2 statements I take at face value: a) Oracle's history of making anti-LGBTQ comments and b) Oracle saying he knows intimate details about a man or transwoman's sexual proclivities and preferences, that only intimate partners would know. Hence my statement pointing out the hypocrisy to him. Your accusations of homophobia, that too toward someone who repeatedly argues FOR LGBTQ rights, therefore have no legs. So try again without pretzeling yourself.

You are completely clued out.

If you were so clued in on anything you'd know that wasn't even addressed to you.

It is most definitely a right wing opinion and it’s based in reality you lunatic lefties want to live in delusional places all the time
In all of history is only two genders now a year ago the world of followers have gone to shit

Humanity has been ignorant, cruel and uncivilized for the majority of history.