The Discussion That Anti-Zionism is Not Anti-Semitism

[shack]

As written by Rosie DiManno,

How a malevolent online campaign targets Jewish doctors (thestar.com)

a different campaign dripping with malevolence is specifically targeting Jewish physicians right here in Ontario.
There’s no fig-leaf of divestment from Israel, no camouflage exploiting the horrors experienced by civilians in Gaza. Rather, the doxing has been a directed, co-ordinated crusade aimed at physicians whose only “offence’’ is their Jewishness.

On social media and via pro forma emails sent to hospital administrators and leadership at teaching institutions, these doctors are being harassed, intimidated and professionally compromised. While part of the strategy is to victimize one particular doctor on a given day — lifting names of individuals who signed a letter last November under the banner of Doctors Against Racism and Antisemitism — the undertaking has spreader wider, become far more encompassing.
Of course most of the garbage is anonymous but on literally hundreds of occasions — letters and emails to MPs, for example — signatories of that DARA letter have been appropriated falsely as if they’re the ones demanding politicians take a harsher position on Israel’s military tactics.

This is a clear case of people who say: "We are anti-Zionist. We are not anti-Semitic" is a lie. If they are to be believed, they need to condemn this campaign. It is

 

[Frankfooter]

the doxing has been a directed, co-ordinated crusade aimed at physicians whose only “offence’’ is their Jewishness.

Now you're against doxxing?

Who Is Funding Canary Mission? Inside the Doxxing Operation Targeting Anti-Zionist Students and Professors
Americans who give money to Canary Mission are potentially committing a serious crime by acting as agents of a foreign power.

 

[Kautilya]

Anti-Zionism isn’t the same as antisemitism. Here’s the history.
Article written by Benjamin Moser - A Pulitzer prize winning Jewish author, and not some paparazzi trash bag from the Toronto Star, that shack fawns over.

Many people familiar with Jewish history might have suppressed a sardonic laugh. Anti-Zionism, after all, was a creation of Jews, not their enemies.

Before World War II, Zionism was the most divisive and heatedly debated issue in the Jewish world. Anti-Zionism had left-wing variants and right-wing variants — religious variants and secular variants — as well as variants in every country where Jews resided. For anyone who knows this history, it is astonishing that, as the resolution would have it, opposition to Zionism has been equated with opposition to Judaism — and not only to Judaism, but to hatred of Jews themselves. But this conflation has nothing to do with history. Instead, it is political, and its purpose has been to discredit Israel’s opponents as racists.

The Holocaust seemed to prove the Zionist argument. For nearly all Jews, the rise of the state of Israel, only three years after the defeat of Hitler, seemed to be a miraculous resurrection. After the long night of exile — galut — brilliant dawn had come at last.

Yet beneath this apparent unanimity, Zionism remained controversial. It was controversial among certain strict religious communities that believed that only the Messiah could usher the Jews back into the Holy Land and rejected what they saw as the materialism and impiety of the Zionist settlers. It was controversial among socialists and communists, who rejected all forms of nationalism. But after the foundation of the state of Israel, the debate took a different turn. The heart of the objection was among those horrified by what Israel had meant for the native population of Palestine. For these people, the lesson of antisemitism was a rejection of all forms of racism, and especially of the kinds of atrocities that had been visited upon the Jews. They were dismayed that another people, one that bore no responsibility for the Nazi crimes, would be forced to pay for them. And their commitment to universalism brought them into conflict with the Jewish state. For decades, and particularly given the danger that Israel continued to face from its neighbors, their arguments were seldom heard and often ignored, and they themselves were described as “self-hating” or even “mentally ill.”

As a result, anti-Zionism, rather than decreasing, has increased. No other state in the world has seen its “right to exist” as frequently questioned. This lack of recognition has been a major, perhaps the major, preoccupation of Israeli diplomacy. It might sometimes be the result of the rejection of people who hate the Jews, but among Jews it is the rejection of the idea of Zionism. It is a rejection of the idea of ethnic nationalism. It is a rejection of the idea of citizenship tied to race. Israel, far more than any other country that defines itself as “Western” or “democratic,” is still based on these ideas. And because it has increasingly, and now officially, come to define itself as a Jewish state, its defenders have often described its opponents as antisemites. The problem with this description? Many of those who share these convictions are, and always have been, Jews.

 

[Klatuu]

Now you're against doxxing?

Who Is Funding Canary Mission? Inside the Doxxing Operation Targeting Anti-Zionist Students and Professors
Americans who give money to Canary Mission are potentially committing a serious crime by acting as agents of a foreign power.

He’s also been on here demanding posters identify themselves. The hypocrisy is classic Ziontology.

 

[Kautilya]

He’s also been on here demanding posters identify themselves. The hypocrisy is classic Ziontology.

Yeah he has been unhinged on these Israel threads. Has easily made atleast 20,000 posts in the last 6 months just on these Israel threads lol. And here we go another Israel thread. lol.

 

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...And here we go another Israel thread. lol.

The irony. It's just a matter of time before you do your, "Bruh, but it's Racism" schtick"...

 

[Kautilya]

The irony. It's just a matter of time before you do your, "Bruh, but it's Racism" schtick"...

Irony is that you accuse me of doing this, in a thread that is accusing people of racism for their criticism of Israel.

Oh and friendly advice. Make sure to not say racist things and then throw a fit that someone called you out lol.

 

[speakercontrols]

Irony is that you accuse me of doing this, in a thread that is accusing people of racism for their criticism of Israel.

Oh and friendly advice. Make sure to not say racist things and then throw a fit that someone called you out lol.

yawn, you throwing "bruh racism" around so casually actually dimishes the true meaning of the word. You have no differentiation between bigotry, insults, discrimination and actual racism.

You use it in an attempt to shut down anything you don't like.

Do better.

 

[Kautilya]

yawn, you throwing "bruh racism" around so casually actually dimishes the true meaning of the word. You have no differentiation between bigotry, insults, discrimination and actual racism.

You use it in an attempt to shut down anything you don't like.

Do better.
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Tangential note: The usage of the word "Yawn" - that is an indication that yours is a duplicate account because the account Mike_something, uses the same lingo and infact has the exact same accusation that you just made, with the exact same tone. This is against TERB rules. But moving on.

Bigotry leads to discrimination. Racism leads to discrimination. Racism IS bigotry. Both racism and bigotry, often times result in insults. Insults that contain racist slurs or speech with bigoted language directed at someone's race, ethnicity, culture or religion, are racist AND bigoted.

So instead of using duplicitous words, just say that you want to use racial slurs, or say racist things without being called out for it. Also this is off topic for this thread anyway.

 

[NotADcotor]

Yeah he has been unhinged on these Israel threads. Has easily made atleast 20,000 posts in the last 6 months just on these Israel threads lol. And here we go another Israel thread. lol.

Yeah people who oppose terrorists and their genocidal plans against Israel should just shut the fuck up right. Only people like you and Frankie who BTW is the worst offender are allowed to speak.

Bravo <sarcastic clapping>

 

[NotADcotor]

Anti-Zionism isn’t the same as antisemitism. Here’s the history.

Whenever it's somebody else, you people have no fucks to give.
Moslems actually being hunted down in Burma. Silence
Boku Haram or whatever it's called in West Africa. Silence
Sudan. Silence
Syria. Silence
Sexual slavery in Iraq. Silence
Oct 7th. celebration
Human shields die in a war Hamas started as part of the Hamas plan. Full on Reverend Helen Lovejoy meltdown.

Calling 30k civilian dead in 7 months of war when Hamas has a long history of hiding behind civilians. Call it a genocide
Back the people who want to exterminate the Jews from river to sea

But yeah brah, you fuckers don't hate Jews. Nope. It's Anti Zionism. Not sure retarded or if you think we are just too stupid to figure it out.

Bit like claiming Paul Bernardo [or Iran for that matter] are feminists who support women's rights.

Kinda reminds me of this dude I knew who claimed with no trace of irony that he wasn't racist, he just hated rag heads and Pakis. Yeah we tossed him that WTF dude look also.

 

[Klatuu]

Whenever it's somebody else, you people have no fucks to give.
Moslems actually being hunted down in Burma. Silence
Boku Haram or whatever it's called in West Africa. Silence
Sudan. Silence
Syria. Silence
Sexual slavery in Iraq. Silence
Oct 7th. celebration
Human shields die in a war Hamas started as part of the Hamas plan. Full on Reverend Helen Lovejoy meltdown.

Calling 30k civilian dead in 7 months of war when Hamas has a long history of hiding behind civilians. Call it a genocide
Back the people who want to exterminate the Jews from river to sea

But yeah brah, you fuckers don't hate Jews. Nope. It's Anti Zionism. Not sure retarded or if you think we are just too stupid to figure it out.

Bit like claiming Paul Bernardo [or Iran for that matter] are feminists who support women's rights.

Kinda reminds me of this dude I knew who claimed with no trace of irony that he wasn't racist, he just hated rag heads and Pakis. Yeah we tossed him that WTF dude look also.

Pencil Sharpener: Where you take pencils that are not too sharp.

 

[shapeup1]

As written by Rosie DiManno,

How a malevolent online campaign targets Jewish doctors (thestar.com)

a different campaign dripping with malevolence is specifically targeting Jewish physicians right here in Ontario.
There’s no fig-leaf of divestment from Israel, no camouflage exploiting the horrors experienced by civilians in Gaza. Rather, the doxing has been a directed, co-ordinated crusade aimed at physicians whose only “offence’’ is their Jewishness.

On social media and via pro forma emails sent to hospital administrators and leadership at teaching institutions, these doctors are being harassed, intimidated and professionally compromised. While part of the strategy is to victimize one particular doctor on a given day — lifting names of individuals who signed a letter last November under the banner of Doctors Against Racism and Antisemitism — the undertaking has spreader wider, become far more encompassing.
Of course most of the garbage is anonymous but on literally hundreds of occasions — letters and emails to MPs, for example — signatories of that DARA letter have been appropriated falsely as if they’re the ones demanding politicians take a harsher position on Israel’s military tactics.

This is a clear case of people who say: "We are anti-Zionist. We are not anti-Semitic" is a lie. If they are to be believed, they need to condemn this campaign. It is

Zionist is code word for Jew. Hatred of Jews is rampant especially in Terb.

 

[Frankfooter]

yawn, you throwing "bruh racism" around so casually actually dimishes the true meaning of the word. You have no differentiation between bigotry, insults, discrimination and actual racism.

You use it in an attempt to shut down anything you don't like.

Do better.
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All zionists are also supremacists, aren't they?
So the only racism that counts as racism is antisemitism, since no other race are humans.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1717275484302504395

 

[Frankfooter]

Yeah people who oppose terrorists and their genocidal plans against Israel should just shut the fuck up right. Only people like you and Frankie who BTW is the worst offender are allowed to speak.

Bravo <sarcastic clapping>

You don't oppose terrorism, you cheer it on.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1780975274923807019

 

[Kautilya]

Yeah people who oppose terrorists Israel and their genocidal plans against Israel Palestinians should just shut the fuck up.

Let me correct your post for what you are actually saying. There, fixed it for ya.

Whenever it's somebody else, you people have no fucks to give.

You care about those other topics? Great. Create a thread. This one is about Israel and therefore we stay on topic talk about Israel, Zionism and anti-Zionism.

And by the way, at what point will you stop with this silly argument of "human shields"? I remember responding to you atleast 3 times with:

a) It is not proven that Hamas uses human shields and it is a questionable allegation at best
b) If Hamas does indeed use human shields, it is a war crime
c) Killing human shields is ALSO a war crime, so by doing so Israel IS committing a war crime.

And these are not even my arguments, this is PER international humanitarian law!!

And on top of all this you quoted my post, of an article, written by a JEWISH pulitzer prize winning author, who was making the argument that anti-Zionism is a JEWISH political position.

 

[shack]

Now you're against doxxing?

I'm against moronic posts/questions like this. Did I write that article, Geno? Did I voice an opinion on this practice?

The article is about how, based on this campaign, it shows that a Jew doesn't have to be a Zionist to be attacked by the people spreading hate. It debunks your claim

Tell us your opinion on these doctors being systematically intimidated and harassed within their profession by people who don't care if he's Zionist or not. How do you defend the actions of these Jew hating racists? You say you only hate Jews who are Zionists. If this is as you claim , condemn this anti-Semitic campaign.

 

[shack]

Anti-Zionism isn’t the same as antisemitism. Here’s the history.
Article written by Benjamin Moser -

Many things are addressed but nothing specifically to do with this campaign that going on how that DiManno wrote about. Why don't you talk about that first?

I talk about UNGA resolutions or lack thereof. You talk about ICJ or anything else under the sun other than what the UNGA or UNSC has not accused Israel of.
I present an article about an ongoing practice that discriminates against Jewish doctors and you talk history.

Stop changing topics. Address what's written in this article.

 

[Klatuu]

You are completely in the dark about this issue. All these Drs declared they are Zionist.

OVER 550 JEWISH PHYSICIANS IN THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO’S TEMERTY
FACULTY OF MEDICINE PROCLAIM THEIR ZIONISM

“Today, 555 Jewish physician faculty issued a public statement declaring their
right to work openly as Zionists free of censure. They define for themselves
what is antisemitic and will not let antizionists define it for them.”

http://daradocs.org/wp-content/uploads/Press-Release-website-version.pdf

 

[shack]

He’s also been on here demanding posters identify themselves. The hypocrisy is classic Ziontology.

What is Ziontism and why do people study Ziontism? (the suffix "ology" means "the study of" Your posts indicate that you are unaware of that.)

Here you are, our 3 resident TERB KKK members and not a single one says a single thing about the article and/or the campaign neing waged by people who don't care whether the doctors are Zionist or not. You are all to afraid to comment so you deflect.