I know you wouldn't make such a precise claim without evidence.....so please provide it.
What Can Israel Teach the U.S. About Airport Security?
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Actually they are trying to get you to stick to the original topic instead of hijacking every thread with your anti-Semitic rants.
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What do you think would happen in the Palestinians were not constantly smuggling arms into Gaza. Israel has repeatedly opened up the frontiers only to close or tighten then after rocket attacks increase. Israel must be the only country in the world in respect of which people believe that they should just sit there ans smile in the face of relentless rocket attacks.
There is truth on all sides of this, and enough shit to stick to everybody.
The Palestinians have not been given any reasonable chance to make a life, and this is not just Israel's fault either. The Palestinians in Jordan have been kept in refugee camps and denied any kind of hope or future as well, by Arabs in that case. They are everybody's pawns and they lead shitty lives.
That said, their extremists actions have more or less prevented anybody from trying to give them a good shake as well. Nobody is going to open up airports and borders and invest in a place full of guys firing Qassam rockets.
It's just an all around shitty situation in which all sides are covered in shit.
The Palestinians have not been given any reasonable chance to make a life, and this is not just Israel's fault either. The Palestinians in Jordan have been kept in refugee camps and denied any kind of hope or future as well, by Arabs in that case. They are everybody's pawns and they lead shitty lives.
That said, their extremists actions have more or less prevented anybody from trying to give them a good shake as well. Nobody is going to open up airports and borders and invest in a place full of guys firing Qassam rockets.
It's just an all around shitty situation in which all sides are covered in shit.
I think what you say has a great deal of sense and truth to it. While Israel is not without blame i do not believe that the debate is furthered or the prospects for peace enhanced by making it the sole focus of all evil in the world and attempts to demonize and delegitimize it. There is plenty to go around on all sides and once all sides recognize this there will be some hope for peace and a decent life for the Palestinians and peace and security for Israel,
From 30 seconds of searching and not that you'd bother to read it,
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/13/1084289823327.html
See Robert Pape for his study of 23 years of suicide bombers
https://outerdnn.outer.jhuapl.edu/VIDEOS/033006/PapeNotes.pdf
kicking the shite out of Hamas? how did they manage to do that? oh thats right with the murder of thousands of completely innocent unarmed Palestinians all in the name of Israeli security (cue Auschwitz and Treblinka argument now please) Did they manage to destroy Hamas? no, because its an idea, and take away the reasons for that idea, the occupation, humiliation and degradation of the Palestinians and Hamas becomes a foot note in the history books. Either that or Israel does, that all depends on Eretz Israel which happens first.
What do they hope to gain by firing these rockets? How does firing rockets improve the lot of their own people?
ELAL is the only airline to fly with Air Marshals. I never understood why most air lines dont have air marshals, even before 911. But think about it. 911 could have been averted, nobody knows the identity of Air Marshals, it could even be the nun sitting beside you.
Btw, I cannot stand Israel bashers, but being a Christian man, I feel its within my right to educate some of the Turbites.
[I]If your not a christian, you can take the bible as a historical reference. The book is thousands of years old.[/I]Chronological history of Israel
Abraham was taken out of Babylon or Iraq by the living God, about 2 or 3000 BCE, and was asked to start the Jewish religion, have a son. In return God would grant the land of Israel to him and his descendents.
Jews were taken to Egypt as slaves, and were led back to Israel by Moses about 1400 BCE.The Jews were thrown out of Israel in 70 ad by Nero of the Roman empire.
When the Roman empire fell, the Ottaman empire took over Israel. When the Ottaman empire fell Britain took over Israel, and gave it back to the Jews.
The land itself never belonged to the people we call Palestinians. They never had any claim to the land other then the fact that they lived their illegally under other occupations.
Palestine became an official state in 1948 along with Israel under the Balfour Declaration.
If the Jews had not moved back after the holocaust, the Palestinians would have eventually been forced to leave under the occupiers of the land, beit Britain, America, etc..Of course its all pure anti semitism, disgusting shit. I hate anti semites.
It was written in revelations they would return and they did. So suck it up, its their land, and to a christian, their return is significant.
Btw, I cannot stand Israel bashers, but being a Christian man, I feel its within my right to educate some of the Turbites.
[I]If your not a christian, you can take the bible as a historical reference. The book is thousands of years old.[/I]Chronological history of Israel
Abraham was taken out of Babylon or Iraq by the living God, about 2 or 3000 BCE, and was asked to start the Jewish religion, have a son. In return God would grant the land of Israel to him and his descendents.
Jews were taken to Egypt as slaves, and were led back to Israel by Moses about 1400 BCE.The Jews were thrown out of Israel in 70 ad by Nero of the Roman empire.
When the Roman empire fell, the Ottaman empire took over Israel. When the Ottaman empire fell Britain took over Israel, and gave it back to the Jews.
The land itself never belonged to the people we call Palestinians. They never had any claim to the land other then the fact that they lived their illegally under other occupations.
Palestine became an official state in 1948 along with Israel under the Balfour Declaration.
If the Jews had not moved back after the holocaust, the Palestinians would have eventually been forced to leave under the occupiers of the land, beit Britain, America, etc..Of course its all pure anti semitism, disgusting shit. I hate anti semites.
It was written in revelations they would return and they did. So suck it up, its their land, and to a christian, their return is significant.
That isn't really fair either though. Hamas intnetionally hides its fighters among civilians, launches rockets from school yards, and so on. Sooner or later someone has to attack them if they keep on firing rockets, and when they do, it is going to be like that.
Instead of bitching, suggest a practical, workable solution, and no, cease to exist as a state is not a practical, workable solution.
I here this same tripe from time to time. what I don't hear is what Israel should do in response to Hamas which fires rockets from within civilian populations including apartment building, schools and hospitals. They use human shields and then the world is outraged when civilians are killed or injured. Should Israel just sit there and watch the rockets land.
Perhaps you could be honest about this. Between 1166 (Israeli Sources) and 1417 Palesestinian sources) Palestinians were killed, of which between just over 200 (Palestinian sources) to over 700 (Isreali sources) were active combattants.
Nowhere, even the most extreme Palestinian sources say THOUSANDS of innocent people were killed.
Sorry dapper but what the good book says is irrelevant. All that reall matters is both Jews and Arabs live in the area now and both should have a home.
I disagree. The Israelis/Jews are dealing with a Jihaddist Islamic death cult. The Palestinians want to die, more then the Israeli's want to live. Once they get the Israelis to roll out the war machine, they deserve what they get.
The land issue is just an excuse to bring terrible suffering to the Jews, while bringing western civilliazation to its feet. Similar to Nazi doctrine.
We conquered the Nazi's, at least we thought, we now have to conquer Islamic extremism. All though this time we are dealing with billions, not thousands.
The land issue is just an excuse to bring terrible suffering to the Jews, while bringing western civilliazation to its feet. Similar to Nazi doctrine.
We conquered the Nazi's, at least we thought, we now have to conquer Islamic extremism. All though this time we are dealing with billions, not thousands.
I am not even going to bother with some of the above posted nonsense about the Nazis and how the Palestinians want to die while the Israelis want to live, thats the same idiocy that calls one side the sons of pigs and monkeys etc.
As for the Bible being a historical record ohhh really?? then why not the records of Apollo, Thor and Ra
how come only records of Yahweh, Allah and some carpenter guy.
Anyways the solution has been gathering dust for a few years now in the Saudi sponsored peace plan. Israel gets the right to exist recognized along with full political and economic relations in return for going back to the borders of June 4,1967 with Jerusalem to be shared of course. I prefer a peace plan initiated by local parties rather than imposing a solution from the outside. The Israelis can fire all the missiles and tank shells it wants but it will only destroy Hamas when the average guy and gal in Gaza has a good decent life, and come and go as they please.
Israel has said for a number of years that the Saudi plan was a useful framework for resuming negotiations. The Palestinians have so far refused to return to the table. There is a new plan which is being floated by Egypt. The parties must re-engage. The Palestinians so far refuse. Hopefully the new Egyptian plan will provide some impetus.
The Saudis have said that their peace plan is not negotiable, which is why it is collecting dust.
In the meantime, I asked you, what is a practical solution to Hamas firing rockets? Supposing the Israelis adopt the Saudi plan, and Hamas continues firing rockets. What do you do?
Sooner or later you have to attack them, and for so long as they intentionally embed their fighters in amongst civilians, it is going to be pretty bloody.
Thanks for the lesson. I've always wanted to know about people being enslaved in the name of Christianity. Being that you are a Christian, would you be able to shed some light?
PS: Are you anti-Muslim? Can you stand anti-Muslims? Or are they fair game?
PPS: Is it true Israel helped finance apartheid?
