Where did u get your info cause $343,810 a year seems pretty high. Less they are the only one in the place.
So how many of you are for longer jail sentences......
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I do support longer jail sentences for retribution purposes.
However, because most inmates currently doing time will eventually get out, it is necessary to provide some type of support such as an educational component so when they get out they may have some options, and don't necessarily have to resort to terrorizing citizens with their crime.
As a cost savings measure to Canadians I suggest, as have others, a fairly radical idea. And that is to outsource our correctional services of many inmates to another country. That country might be Peru or Guatemala or another. Imagine the savings on a per prisoner basis!! We would pay a fraction of what we pay for them to be taken care of in Canada...and the savings could go back into other areas. It would also bring in much needed money to those countries...As for the treatment of prisoners...I would send those doing long term and life sentences only. Many would die in prison, and their living conditions wouldn't be the first on my priority list.
However, because most inmates currently doing time will eventually get out, it is necessary to provide some type of support such as an educational component so when they get out they may have some options, and don't necessarily have to resort to terrorizing citizens with their crime.
As a cost savings measure to Canadians I suggest, as have others, a fairly radical idea. And that is to outsource our correctional services of many inmates to another country. That country might be Peru or Guatemala or another. Imagine the savings on a per prisoner basis!! We would pay a fraction of what we pay for them to be taken care of in Canada...and the savings could go back into other areas. It would also bring in much needed money to those countries...As for the treatment of prisoners...I would send those doing long term and life sentences only. Many would die in prison, and their living conditions wouldn't be the first on my priority list.
ok see now i goggled and got this. Unless it doubled in 4yrs
"It costs Corrections Canada $110,223 to keep a male inmate in a maximum-security institution for a year ($150,867 for a woman). Medium- and minimum-security inmates cost more than $70,000 a year. "
http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes2006/realitycheck/crimetime.html
I am all up for the discussion but lets keep the numbers accurate.
"It costs Corrections Canada $110,223 to keep a male inmate in a maximum-security institution for a year ($150,867 for a woman). Medium- and minimum-security inmates cost more than $70,000 a year. "
http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes2006/realitycheck/crimetime.html
I am all up for the discussion but lets keep the numbers accurate.
That's more like it. The number I had was around $165,000 but that would be the for the whole group, not broken down. Let's see where he got his figures. Thes numbers can be misleading as it takes mote money to keep someone at a maximum facility like Kingston Pen as opposed to a lesser one.ok see now i goggled and got this. Unless it doubled in 4yrs
"It costs Corrections Canada $110,223 to keep a male inmate in a maximum-security institution for a year ($150,867 for a woman). Medium- and minimum-security inmates cost more than $70,000 a year. "
http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes2006/realitycheck/crimetime.html
I am all up for the discussion but lets keep the numbers accurate.
Whatever it is, it is still too much money....we should pay for their plane ticket, one way of course, and lodging in a prison in Panama somewhere...the costs would be minimalok see now i goggled and got this. Unless it doubled in 4yrs
"It costs Corrections Canada $110,223 to keep a male inmate in a maximum-security institution for a year ($150,867 for a woman). Medium- and minimum-security inmates cost more than $70,000 a year. "
http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes2006/realitycheck/crimetime.html
I am all up for the discussion but lets keep the numbers accurate.
Check out what it cost to hang them. It's all relative. As for your other idea, something about cruel and unusual punishment comes to mind.Whatever it is, it is still too much money....we should pay for their plane ticket, one way of course, and lodging in a prison in Panama somewhere...the costs would be minimal
"Correlation does not imply causation" needs to be taken into account when looking at this comparison. The situation is rather less clear cut than seemingly you want it to be.The fact is, if we look to the south, there is proof that longer and harsher sentences result in MORE crime. If we look to Europe, where they have much more progressive and rehabilitation based systems, we see much less violence and crime.....
Uh..first of all, the last time I checked we didn't have capital punishment as an option in this country. Secondly, prisons in third world countries are all not all the same...who knows perhaps the thought of going to a foreign jail could act as a deterrent for those engaged in criminal activity.Check out what it cost to hang them. It's all relative. As for your other idea, something about cruel and unusual punishment comes to mind.
If we don't send them to the US because of what might happen, we're not going to be sending them to other countries of dubious quality. No Capital Punishment at this junction but who knows. The Conservative want to double stack the prisoner in the cells now.Uh..first of all, the last time I checked we didn't have capital punishment as an option in this country. Secondly, prisons in third world countries are all not all the same...who knows perhaps the thought of going to a foreign jail could act as a deterrent for those engaged in criminal activity.
Use them as labor and society could break even or even profit from inmates. What happened to chain gangs?ok see now i goggled and got this. Unless it doubled in 4yrs
"It costs Corrections Canada $110,223 to keep a male inmate in a maximum-security institution for a year ($150,867 for a woman). Medium- and minimum-security inmates cost more than $70,000 a year. "
http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes2006/realitycheck/crimetime.html
I am all up for the discussion but lets keep the numbers accurate.
Curious, why is it more expensive to keep female inmates?
More prison psychiatrists perhaps for the females? I imagine there are more amenities for women available...and perhaps more money is needed for medication.Use them as labor and society could break even or even profit from inmates. What happened to chain gangs?
Curious, why is it more expensive to keep female inmates?
Perhaps it's because there are fewer female inmates meaning less economies of scale.Curious, why is it more expensive to keep female inmates?
I don't think that anyone in prison would think that they are liver better than anyone at Jane/Finch.How about making it less expensive to take care of them as mentioned.
I would love to see a breakdown of the costs.
Let's analyze how much was spent on Karla Homolka for instance.
It sounds like she has it relatively cushy and a full education paid for.
NO prisoner should be living better than someone honest trying to live day-to-day in some place like Jane/Finch.
If that makes me a "nut job" then sanity is over-rated.
I have no issue with someone getting or furthering their education while locked up. Better education means a better chance of a decent job, and less likely to reoffend. It is a cheap form of proactive social engineering.
Longer terms do not mean a greater deterrence.
It is from corrections canada ...in this article:Where did u get your info cause $343,810 a year seems pretty high. Less they are the only one in the place.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/845272--ottawa-s-prison-plan-won-t-work-critics-say
Correaltion DOES imply causation, but of course it does not gurantee it. If we were to ignore correlation, then we may as well give up about 80% of the research and also throw away the science of statistics altogether."Correlation does not imply causation" needs to be taken into account when looking at this comparison. The situation is rather less clear cut than seemingly you want it to be.
How many of you think justice should be determined based solely on the cost of incarceration?Just wondering how many "hard on crime" nut jobs we have here perhaps they can digest this little fact:
The average annual cost of maintaining a single female federal offender is $343,810. Maintaining a male inmate in a maximum security prison costs $223,687. These figures, which represent the 2008-2009 fiscal year, were released in a report from the Parliamentary Budget Office in response to legislation passed earlier this year that will dramatically change the corrections system in Canada.
BTW why do females cost 50% more than males ?
This is one of the reasons why they are building the super jail...so that they can get these prisoners working for companies at slave wage and pay back the money that has been spent on them to be incarcerated.
I don't believe that there is enough rehabiliation and too much free post grad handed to them...they should have to get a loan just like the rest of us to get their BA or Masters...however they can't get a post grad ever even when they are released.
If this weren't the case I'd go steal cars or something since I got my entry fee bills for this year.
I don't believe that there is enough rehabiliation and too much free post grad handed to them...they should have to get a loan just like the rest of us to get their BA or Masters...however they can't get a post grad ever even when they are released.
If this weren't the case I'd go steal cars or something since I got my entry fee bills for this year.
Perhaps that is the problem that eighty percent of the researchers are totaly confused by Post hoc ergo propter hoc?Correaltion DOES imply causation, but of course it does not gurantee it. If we were to ignore correlation, then we may as well give up about 80% of the research and also throw away the science of statistics altogether.
Cost is indeed a valid factor in the consideration of incarceration as opposed to alternative sentences, however, it should never be the determinative factor.How many of you think justice should be determined based solely on the cost of incarceration?
Sure make me look it up before i've had my second jug of java. Thanks!!Perhaps that is the problem that eighty percent of the researchers are totaly confused by Post hoc ergo propter hoc?
