The main reason that people do it is that their illness prevents them from believing that there is any hope whatsoever that things can be better, that they can feel better or get relief from the pain and anguish that they feel. Of course there is always the possibility of things getting better, but when you are in that situation, you cant see it. Not at all.
Suicide?
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Why? Because every fibre of your being cries out for death. To stop the pain, stop the anguish. And yet there is that part of you that still wants to live. Then slowely over time the reasons you have for living are stripped away. Each mental barrier stripped away. You don't know when they disappeared. They're just gone.
Suicidal thoughts were a constant companion of mine. Weekly if not daily. From the teenage years until I got help in my mid 40's
Now i never think about suicide. Or if I do it's very brief.
Suicidal thoughts were a constant companion of mine. Weekly if not daily. From the teenage years until I got help in my mid 40's
Now i never think about suicide. Or if I do it's very brief.
I like that. Going out in style. Sadly, no cliffs near where I live. They are within a day's drive though. I'll keep that in mind.don't fuck it up, rent a porsche, find a picturesque cliff and away you go
Thanks!
Why o why do you care my dear fuji? I don't even argue with you that much here on the boards. Do you really care that much for my dear old mother? Have you been banging her you dirty rotten fucker?Seek help immediately. I am not joking. Just seek help. Please.
I do believe that you are very very wrong about this. An endless sleep is very much preferable to the day to day nonsense of living from time to time. You may not be able to be aware of this (which is a blessing I suppose), but believe you me, lots of other people do not have your same impermeability to this idea.This is a stupid thread, there is no positive in suicide unless you were on the 80th floor of the twin towers during 9/11.
How did your dear old mother enter the conversation? I never understood why suicide should be considered a crime, in the US anyway. Who's life is it anyway? That said, not a decision to be taken lightly to put it mildly. Personally, I believe when we die, the lights simply go out. There is no big sleep. No heaven. No hell. No nothing.Why o why do you care my dear fuji? I don't even argue with you that much here on the boards. Do you really care that much for my dear old mother? Have you been banging her you dirty rotten fucker?
True. All the same, it could be the result of a lifetime of rational analysis of the issue. Or is that impossible? If so, why is it impossible?Your outlook on life can change based on your attitude, and you're attitude can be artificially or inappropriately negative. The life that seems awful today may seem pretty good tomorrow. It may be chemical. It may be stress. It may be a healthy but temporary reaction to misfortune.
Seek help.
I promise not to jump off the bridge that you travel over for work. As for the people who find me first, that's their job. That's why they get paid the big bucks.I see a case for it if you have a terminal illness, it could be merciful to be put to sleep.
Consider the people who will see your body first and the impact on them. Consider people who love you.
Most of all, don't make me late for work.
Life is a pretty long term problem. It's a simple solution for that long term problem. Or am I mistaken somehow? If so, how? If you argue that life isn't a problem (the most obvious argument), well, you may have a point. However, if one's reality results in life being a problem and one's views, one's very reality says that LIFE IS A PROBLEM, well, what is your solution then? Put me in a psycho ward? Do you really want to pay for that? I don't want you to. Let me go and fuck off already.As someone once said: "A long term solution for a short term problem."
Ahhh... One of those with the alternate realities of which I was speaking....The thread is not stupid Brandon. For myself, the last two attempts this year were an attempt to release pain, emotional and spiritual and physical pain. Even with help from psychitrists and counsellors, there are some that due to in imbalance cannot cope. We get classified as bipolar, bordeline, schizo, which some people think is a good start to be catagorized, but the true help we need really isnt there. Doctors talk us thru, get us meds, but no one yet knows how to stop the urge to commit suicide. As much as the act is hurtful it is also a release. Some days id rather take my chances in the unknown than stay here. Just my opinion.
Glad to have you aboard in the discussion. Don't kill yourself just yet. We've got shit to figure out first.
Blah, blah, blah!!!I will echo Fuji's excellent advice. Please, do seek help. For some people, counseling helps. For many, medications are necessary. Often it is a combination. Please, do not do anything rash, for most people do indeed recover from suicidal ideation, and years down the road find it hard to comprehend where they were at. Call a crisis hotline, or whatever you need to do, but just make that call and protect yourself.
I want a discussion, not an anti suicide sermon. Help a guy out for crissakes!
Is that the flash before the bullet smashes through your brain?If you ever feel like taking your life then you should admit yourself to a hospital, there is always light at the end of the tunnel.
And is there always this "light at the end of the tunnel?" Really? I sometimes wonder about that. Is there a light at the end of the tunnel for human stupidy, cruelty, evil, wickness, inhumanity and all the joys that are daily on display in any decent newspaper? Is there a "light at the end of the tunnel" for the injustices that cause the faithful to lose faith (I'm talking about the question of why bad things happen to good people here in case you're wondering). Is there any light at the end of the tunnel of the paradox of abortion whereby (in Christian theology, when logic is applied, which I realized doesn't make any sense, but bear with me) an aborted fetus gets a free ride into heaven while its mother should be damned to hell for taking an innocent life (fuck this one really bugs me!!!)?
No sir, I believe the evidence is that you are wrong. There are many tunnels down which there is no light. Suicide may be one such tunnel, but if eternal dreamless slumber is the result, that may be better than the bewildering cacophony of insanity of human life. Other lives (such as that of cows, sharks, lampreys, song birds and flies) perhaps not so much, human life, with the complexities created by our brains, not so much.
Buddy, so much is "such a tragic waste" that one more life ain't gonna make that much difference. You are aware that hundreds of thousands are starving to death in another part of the world aren't you? You are aware that our species is terraforming planet Earth and engaged in propagating a mass extinction event (the tragic extinction of all manner of lifeforms)? Or maybe you're not and this just caught your attention because it was in your face and you thought "OOOOO!! Shiny!!!) and thus spouted your "tragic waste" drivel.Suicidal thoughts and behaviour are usually a symptom of treatable depression.
It's a tragic waste for someone who is not in his right mind to make such a final decision when a few months on happy pills is all it takes to make everything seem better.
I'm familiar with happy pills. I like my drug dealer. I also like the truth. Everything "seeming better" may not be the truth, but it allows me to be a taxpayer/consumer/employee for another few days for the benefit of the machine. It's a life I guess, but I do get to decide what kind of life I want don't I?
An excellent point!It would certainly help me cut down on my expenses.
Sounds like one for suicide to me. No more food, shelter and clothing costs. That's certainly good for the bottom line. Of course, there's no more income either and after the funeral costs, you got to where you got to (not that it matters anymore), but I think no more expenses is still a positive. Especially if you're not or can't make any more money.
Not a bad idea. The Porsche and a cliff thing is more doable for me and my situation, but I'll keep that in mind. Niagara Falls is a most impressive bit of geography. What a way to make a splash going out!jump off the niagara... best adrenaline rush you could get.
Aren't meds unreal? It's amazing what modern science can achieve. Even to the extent of changing your thought patterns so thoroughly. Your expereince mirrors my own. I just got the drugs sooner than you did.Why? Because every fibre of your being cries out for death. To stop the pain, stop the anguish. And yet there is that part of you that still wants to live. Then slowely over time the reasons you have for living are stripped away. Each mental barrier stripped away. You don't know when they disappeared. They're just gone.
Suicidal thoughts were a constant companion of mine. Weekly if not daily. From the teenage years until I got help in my mid 40's
Now i never think about suicide. Or if I do it's very brief.
That said, why not suicide? What do you have to live for? Or are you just interested in seeing the last bit of television fluff in the old folks home before you pass at your "natural" time? Are you keen to pay your taxes? Go to work tomorrow? Bang your, now, large nagging wife? Have a beer? Play some poker? See your grandchildren?
What caused you to erase all your thoughts from all the previous suicidal considerations or did you not apply that much rationality to them? Do tell... I am curious.
My dear old mother entered into it because she's one of the ones who is going to be really hurt if I kill myself. Was that really that hard to understand? If fuji was banging her, he might care about her feelings (we all know he's a womanizing slimeball, but I think I have detected some empathy for the women he's fucking from time to time. After all, he doesn't fuck the other women in front of his wife or tell her about them so as not to, in part, hurt her feelings). But let's not make this about fuji shall we?How did your dear old mother enter the conversation? I never understood why suicide should be considered a crime, in the US anyway. Who's life is it anyway? That said, not a decision to be taken lightly to put it mildly. Personally, I believe when we die, the lights simply go out. There is no big sleep. No heaven. No hell. No nothing.
Except possibly in the case of people with extremely painful terminal illness, there is no rational analysis that dying is better than living. There are rational analyses that you need to change something in your life, but life is all we get, and we don't get much of it to live. People who commit suicide for "emotional" reasons may be unhappy with their lives, but there are many solutions to that, and as I said, your outlook tends to be the result of tricks of "attitude". Depending on where that attitude is coming from, time can change it, chemicals can change it, or confronting an issue can change it.True. All the same, it could be the result of a lifetime of rational analysis of the issue. Or is that impossible? If so, why is it impossible?
The human mind is a funny thing. How you see things really depends on the perspective you bring to the question, and the perspective can be based on many random things--things that can change, or be changed.
Seek help. If you want rational and objective analysis, go over it with a mental health professional.
