Unless you were pushed into Gaza, or the West Bank. Or unless you valued equal rights.As Goldstone points out Palestinians enjoy full and equal democratic rights and participation in Israel, they are not second class citizens, you are simply flat out lying.
Not only are they full citizens, those who stayed behind in 1948 wound up with more rights and freedoms, more security, and more prosperity than those who fled to Jordan or Lebanon.
Let me state that again for the record: If you were an Arab in Israel in 1948 you were better off if you stayed put and didn't flee.
Security walls = Apartheid wallsSorry that doesn't cut it. The Arabs in Israel are in fact full citizens, and were in fact left in peace where they were peaceful--that's how they're still there.
The security around Gaza and the West Bank is exactly that: Security.
What a stupid thing to say. Israel is entitled to defend its border with Palestine. The US defends its border with Mexico too, do you think the US/Mexican security fences are apartheid fences???Security walls = Apartheid walls
The US didn't have an ICJ ruling against its wall, did it?What a stupid thing to say. Israel is entitled to defend its border with Palestine. The US defends its border with Mexico too, do you think the US/Mexican security fences are apartheid fences???
So dumb.
The walls are illegal and part of an apartheid state.The International Court of Justice has ruled that Israel's West Bank barrier is illegal and construction of it should be stopped immediately.
The ruling said the barrier's construction was "tantamount to annexation" and impeded the Palestinian right to self-determination.
Why did you leave that part out????The court's decision is not binding
He's saying somehow trying to argue that building a wall between Israel and the West Bank is "apartheid", which is nonsense of fantastic proportions.^^^ Fuji, I believe groggy is referring to the harsh treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis in the West Bank.
I think grog keeps changing the topic to anything he thinks can smear Israel. He was arguing about Israel's ethnic cleansing and fuji rightfully pointed out the simple fact that Israel in 1949 had a significant Arab population with full citizenship (now 20% of the population) and that makes his ethnic cleansing claim a joke.^^^ Fuji, I believe groggy is referring to the harsh treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis in the West Bank.\
This is not about the peaceful coexistence between Israeli Arabs and Jews.
Really, you find it surprising that a wall to separate two races would be called apartheid?He's saying somehow trying to argue that building a wall between Israel and the West Bank is "apartheid", which is nonsense of fantastic proportions.
Just to repost - the wall separates West Bank Palestinians from Israelis of all religions and ethnicities....
Further it shows that any actions against the West Bank Palestinians are in no way racist/apartheid because it is directed at a political entity that Israel is in conflict with and not a race because those laws/actions do not apply to the million and a half Israeli citizens of Arab heritage.
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The wall does not separate two races, twit.Really, you find it surprising that a wall to separate two races would be called apartheid?
What do you think its for?The wall does not separate two races, twit.
It's there to limit the unrelenting terror attacks by Palestinian extremists across the border into Israel.What do you think its for?
Thanks for clarifying this.Plainly it is there to keep non Israelis out of Israel.
Ehud:Israel's prime minister issued a rare warning yesterday that his nation risked being compared to apartheid-era South Africa if it failed to agree an independent state for the Palestinians. In an interview with the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, Ehud Olmert said Israel was "finished" if it forced the Palestinians into a struggle for equal rights.
If the two-state solution collapsed, he said, Israel would "face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights, and as soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished". Israel's supporters abroad would quickly turn against such a state, he said.
"The Jewish organisations, which were our power base in America, will be the first to come out against us because they will say they cannot support a state that does not support democracy and equal voting rights for all its residents," he said.
If, and as long as between the Jordan and the sea, there is only one political entity, named Israel, it will end up being either non-Jewish or non-democratic... If the Palestinians vote in elections, it is a binational state, and if they don't, it is an apartheid state.
Except for the hundreds of thousands that were ethnically cleansed were not allowed to return in spite of international law that required their return.He was arguing about Israel's ethnic cleansing and fuji rightfully pointed out the simple fact that Israel in 1949 had a significant Arab population with full citizenship (now 20% of the population) and that makes his ethnic cleansing claim a joke.
I love how you just make shit up and pretend that it's true. You've been provided with the quotes from Arab leaders instructing people to leave.Except for the hundreds of thousands that were ethnically cleansed were not allowed to return in spite of international law that required their return.
A complete falsehood. How were these orders to leave communicated?I love how you just make shit up and pretend that it's true. You've been provided with the quotes from Arab leaders instructing people to leave.
But I agree, the Palestinian refugees should return to Palestine, and once the borders are established--probably near 1967 lines--we'll know where that is.
No, universal human rights say that the Palestinian refugees should be able to return to their homes, whether that's in Israel or the occupied lands.I love how you just make shit up and pretend that it's true. You've been provided with the quotes from Arab leaders instructing people to leave.
But I agree, the Palestinian refugees should return to Palestine, and once the borders are established--probably near 1967 lines--we'll know where that is.
