Rafferty found guilty

Questor

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Rafferty and his girl friend are monsters. They deserve to never again walk free. But I do not advocate that they be put in with the general population. I do not support such barbaric punishment.
 

wellhungone

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There are certain rules/code among the criminals in prison. Child killers/molesters are not in everyone's good books, hence the gen pop see that it is their duty to impose their criminal justice.
 

nottyboi

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this is an awful case, just horrible. I am traumatized every time I see a picture of that poor child.
 

Buick Mackane

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That's not how it works.

Appeals are almost ALWAYS appealed on the basis of the interpretation of a law, not on new evidence being introduced by the other side.

The convicted murderer might appeal a specific part of the trial that was conducted outside of prior law etc.
Yes, but any possible future jury will know more about Rafferty and he'll be convicted even faster.
 

larry

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actually, i've been avoiding all tv about the case as it is so sick. when i heard the police had erred on getting warrants, i was afraid he might get off. there was more to that story tho. remember, oj got off. it can happen with a poor prosecution or strong defence. and throw in police errors! very close.
 

Aardvark154

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Appeals in murder cases are common that doesn't mean they often succeed.

In some jurisdictions they are even automatic and are paid for by the "state."
 

Aardvark154

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Well, no. We choose our cases. The trial is attractive in that it is a high profile case and defence counsel perhaps convinced himself there was a "reasonable doubt" that his client was not proven guilty. That's all there has to be to merit an acquittal.

It's a job. You do your best and try not to get emotionally involved. Does it impact you? Uh-huh. But you're trained to deal with it and concentrate on the legal issues and block the feelings out.
Further to what Oagre said everyone does and should have the right to counsel even in horrific cases such as this.

However, one has the right to decline to represent someone and there are plenty of lawyers who will not represent murder defendants and not just because of the length of time they may be incarcerated if found guilty and their experience in defending such cases.
 

whitewaterguy

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So you think we should be like Iran? his life and suffering would be ended then. I'd rather he spends the rest of his life looking over his shoulder wondering when the end will come, a long slow torture.
sorry...the cost of housing, feeding and entertaining these fucks is way too many hard earned tax dollars wasted on low lifes
 

gcostanza

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.... and the day we get the wrong guy and execute him too soon, where will you be?
Well, Officer blackrock, make sure you don't slip up! :eyebrows:
 

mandrill

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Good thing the evidence that was kept from the jury is now public, he'll be convicted again even faster if the appeal goes though. :thumb:
I think that you deeply misunderstand everything about the criminal trial system. The evidence was obviously suppressed by the judge, either due to a Charter argument by the Defence or because the Defence successfully argued that the evidence was so prejudicial that it would have distracted the jury from concentrating on the immediately relevant facts of the case and thus rendering a reliable verdict.

The appeal to the Ont CA - and eventually to the SCC - focuses exclusively on technical errors made by the judge in - allegedly - the Crown's favour. It's not an invitation to the CA to consider non-admissible evidence contrary to accused. Were it so, why would the accused appeal?
 

Possum Trot

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I have a problem with on one hand having such faith in the jury system and at the same time not having enough faith in the jury that the judge feels it necessary to surpress certain facts because they may be prejudicial.
To further pevert this by allowing an appeal because the jury heard facts that someone thinks they had no right to hear.....c'mon. At some point this is just lawyers going around in circles.
 

Buick Mackane

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I think that you deeply misunderstand everything about the criminal trial system. The evidence was obviously suppressed by the judge, either due to a Charter argument by the Defence or because the Defence successfully argued that the evidence was so prejudicial that it would have distracted the jury from concentrating on the immediately relevant facts of the case and thus rendering a reliable verdict.

The appeal to the Ont CA - and eventually to the SCC - focuses exclusively on technical errors made by the judge in - allegedly - the Crown's favour. It's not an invitation to the CA to consider non-admissible evidence contrary to accused. Were it so, why would the accused appeal?
I fully understand this. Just pointing out that if he appealed that he'd be convicted faster because of the additional knowledge the jury will have. He won't get an untainted jury that doesn't have previously suppressed facts.
 

nottyboi

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I have a problem with on one hand having such faith in the jury system and at the same time not having enough faith in the jury that the judge feels it necessary to surpress certain facts because they may be prejudicial.
To further pevert this by allowing an appeal because the jury heard facts that someone thinks they had no right to hear.....c'mon. At some point this is just lawyers going around in circles.
The evidence was in some cases obtained without a warrant. So although this guy was convicted, I think the cops still need to review what they did as the investigation was VERY sloppy and they initially focused on Tori's parents as they were the most convenient target. So the cops got lucky in spite of their incompetence. I hope the parents still sue them.
 
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