when is a hunger strike not a hunger strike when you consume broth all day

[TeasePlease]

Harpo is to blame???

Yes, let's perpetuate the victim play here. That's what's going to fix the whole mess

The AFN needs to get its shit together and come up with a coherent plan and list of demands.

And for the love of Pete, man up and admit when you can't account for $80mm if government funds

 

[Celticman]

Celticman, I hope your handle doesn't reflect your heritage because if it does you are a traitor to the memory of your ancestors in their struggles against the crown.

A truly bizarre thought process trying to connect those dots. You are clearly a left leaning idealogue who can only lash out at anything that does not fit you limited frames of reference. As such, I am reminded that it is ignoble......to stoop to do battle......with an unworthy opponent. So let e make you a happy little boy. You can have the last word. I am sure it will prove my point.

 

[emerging44]

Harpo is to blame???

Yes, let's perpetuate the victim play here. That's what's going to fix the whole mess

The AFN needs to get its shit together and come up with a coherent plan and list of demands.

And for the love of Pete, man up and admit when you can't account for $80mm if government funds

The AFN may be a little unfocused right now as was the Occupy movement last year but that is still no excuse for Harpo and company to behave as they are. The Department of Indian Affairs has full oversight on the money that is disbursed. They are primarily responsible for the mis-spending that is going on.

Regarding money being paid to family members, remember these communities are relatively small and isolated. So it would be pretty difficult not to employ a relative at some point or other.

Everything to do with aboriginal affairs in Canada is a disgrace and needs to be resolved. The last attempt to do so was the Charlottetown Accord in 1992 - that's 20 years ago!

 

[emerging44]

A truly bizarre thought process trying to connect those dots. You are clearly a left leaning idealogue who can only lash out at anything that does not fit you limited frames of reference. As such, I am reminded that it is ignoble......to stoop to do battle......with an unworthy opponent. So let e make you a happy little boy. You can have the last word. I am sure it will prove my point.

Ooops, looks like I struck a nerve there

 

[basketcase]

Though I have sympathy and first hand exposure to life on remote reserves, there's a lot of issues going on here. There is general anger in the native community and there is also noticeable corruption among some of their leaders. Harper also has a way of dealing with issues that does not produce warm and fuzzy feelings.

I do agree that a soup only hunger strike is not a real one though.

 

[FatOne]

It's a condition outlined and agreed upon in the 80 page Indian act, and to a lesser degree other treaties, written many years ago. Yes, it's time to revise it and have it join the 21st century, but Ottawa, presently run by Harper, who is afraid to open that basket of snakes on his watch, won't do it with being forced to.

Yeah, it is all Harper who is afraid to open that basket of snakes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_White_Paper

Silly git.
3.5 years almost 29000 posts and he doesn't even take part in the central purpose of the board. I'd love to have a little chat with him on his death bed, and not just because it would mean the stream of posts would end. I'd just love to hear that comic book store style "ohh I've wasted my life" from such a smug bastard.

 

[blackrock13]

It's a condition outlined and agreed upon in the 80 page Indian act, and to a lesser degree other treaties, written many years ago. Yes, it's time to revise it and have it join the 21st century, but Ottawa, presently run by Harper, who is afraid to open that basket of snakes on his watch, won't do it with being forced to.

Yeah, it is all Harper who is afraid to open that basket of snakes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_White_Paper

Silly git.
3.5 years almost 29000 posts and he doesn't even take part in the central purpose of the board. I'd love to have a little chat with him on his death bed, and not just because it would mean the stream of posts would end. I'd just love to hear that comic book store style "ohh I've wasted my life" from such a smug bastard.

You seem to forget about the word 'presently'. That doesn't excuse, nor do I hold blameless, the past administrations. and i've said as much in past threads on Attawapiskat.

You failed to read plain english properly.

You know fair well there are others members who don't hobby, but obviously can't remember such things, so my non participation is far from unique.

I'm not the GIT here. You're just trying too hard FO.

 

[Celticman]

Yeah, it is all Harper who is afraid to open that basket of snakes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_White_Paper

Silly git.
3.5 years almost 29000 posts and he doesn't even take part in the central purpose of the board. I'd love to have a little chat with him on his death bed, and not just because it would mean the stream of posts would end. I'd just love to hear that comic book store style "ohh I've wasted my life" from such a smug bastard.

It is amazing for someone to have nearly 1000 posts per month, and all of his Google research to come up with information to stir the pot, and he is not here for the principal purpose of the community. He is not alone, Rockslinger, petzel et al, but he is by far the most prolific. I could not imagine being on terb if my principle reason was not hobbying.

 

[blackrock13]

It is amazing for someone to have nearly 1000 posts per month, and all of his Google research to come up with information to stir the pot, and he is not here for the principal purpose of the community. He is not alone, Rockslinger, petzel et al, but he is by far the most prolific. I could not imagine being on terb if my principle reason was not hobbying.

You couldn't count to 400 correctly before, so why should we be surprised at your new attempt as a parting shot.

You still didn't tell us where my information in this thread is erroneous, your choice of word. As for being as Google Monster, again that's just you flapping you pie hole. As for my insight and opinions on the native communities, it's based on first hand knowledge and professional experience having lived with and worked with many native communities in Canada and in a number of other countries. You, on the other hand, have simply been laid bare as a %$^#@#$!, even others have seen it and called you on it.

 

[username999]

Harpo is to blame???

Yes, let's perpetuate the victim play here. That's what's going to fix the whole mess

The AFN needs to get its shit together and come up with a coherent plan and list of demands.

And for the love of Pete, man up and admit when you can't account for $80mm if government funds

lol - they bought a Zamboni ($100,000) and paid almost $500,000 to have it shipped up to the reserve. Are we really surprised? No accountability and endless money from the taxpayers. This is straight up fraud and it is really pathetic that we sit around and put up with it. The Canadian media is a complete joke.

 

[blackrock13]

Apprently the reserve is not the only place that gas liars within.


The federal department responsible for First Nations has known about the worsening living conditions at Attawapiskat for years, says former Indian Affairs Minister Chuck Strahl.

In an interview with CBC Radio's The House, Strahl tells host Evan Solomon the crisis at Attawapiskat "has been a slow moving train-wreck for a long time."

However, the current Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development John Duncan said this week that officials in his department were unaware of Attawapiskat's housing problems until Oct. 28, despite having visited the community several times in the past year.

But Strahl, who retired from politics earlier this year, paints a different picture.

"It was not good when I was there, and I don't think it's appreciably, or any better now. That was well known, everybody knew it was a very difficult community for a bunch of reasons."

Attawapiskat "was always a problem," said Strahl.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/12/03/feds-aware-of-attawapiska-crisis-years_n_1127104.html



The interesting part is that Strahl is one of the biggest rednecks that was ever in charge of the AAND.

 

[blackrock13]

lol - they bought a Zamboni ($100,000) and paid almost $500,000 to have it shipped up to the reserve. Are we really surprised? No accountability and endless money from the taxpayers. This is straight up fraud and it is really pathetic that we sit around and put up with it. The Canadian media is a complete joke.

I sure would like to see where the $500,000 comes from because I know the claim $100,000 is bogus, having seen copies of the correspondences, receipt and the cheques involved in the purchase and the report on the true source for the money; not the education fund as reported.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Chief Spence is protesting and hunger striking for change, I hope she gets change. Big change. She is protesting for more money for better conditions for aboriginals, I hope they get better conditions. I hope that the average aboriginal gets better living conditions, better education and better opportunities. Not from more money from the Canadian government, but from the accountability of the money already allocated for them. I hope Chief Spence has to explain where every cent that she was given went. I hope she has to explain why her BF is being paid $800 a day. I think that things will get better just from having some accountability of where the money is going.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/01/08/theresa-spence-shows-no-interest-in-taking-ownership-of-issues


Quote :

As recently as three days ago, Spence was videoed walking about her compound on Victoria Island in the middle of the Ottawa River smiling, waving and greeting visitors. She was too spry for someone who has been starving herself for nearly a month.

Quote :

Still, Clayton Kennedy, who is Spence’s live-in boyfriend and the band’s co-manager (at a fee of more than $800 a day), blamed Ottawa for the sorry state of Attawapiskat’s books.

 

[5hummer]

I think the broth was infested with taters and meat and apple pie and ice cream....

But, if it's just 'broth' .... ... well, I don't think any Terbites can last a day before heading to the McD drive-thru

 

[LKD]

You're a scream. I guess you have those new fan dangle x-ray glasses and can see under all those winter clothes. A hunger strike doesn't mean no nourishment. Most hunger strikers just don't take in solid food, but do take in fluids. Look it up and learn something today.

this is a real hunger strike

 

[LKD]

Chief Spence is protesting and hunger striking for change, I hope she gets change. Big change. She is protesting for more money for better conditions for aboriginals, I hope they get better conditions. I hope that the average aboriginal gets better living conditions, better education and better opportunities. Not from more money from the Canadian government, but from the accountability of the money already allocated for them. I hope Chief Spence has to explain where every cent that she was given went. I hope she has to explain why her BF is being paid $800 a day. I think that things will get better just from having some accountability of where the money is going.


http://www.torontosun.com/2013/01/08/theresa-spence-shows-no-interest-in-taking-ownership-of-issues


Quote :

As recently as three days ago, Spence was videoed walking about her compound on Victoria Island in the middle of the Ottawa River smiling, waving and greeting visitors. She was too spry for someone who has been starving herself for nearly a month.

Quote :

Still, Clayton Kennedy, who is Spence’s live-in boyfriend and the band’s co-manager (at a fee of more than $800 a day), blamed Ottawa for the sorry state of Attawapiskat’s books.

well said.. I understand their rights as natives but there must be accountability.

Unlike most hunger strikers, Chief Spence might have gained weight on during her hunger strike. God know what she's being fed and pampered inside that tent of her... Eat all day, take a hiatus from work, don't move around all day while calling it a hunger strike - a no-fail recipe to gain weight xDD

 

[alex52]

The other question i have is that in the 21st century is life of any quality on isolated reservation really possible.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

The other question i have is that in the 21st century is life of any quality on isolated reservation really possible.

With the hundreds of millions allocated, they can have better sanitation, education, medicine. Just think of what can be done if this money is not pilfered or squandered.

well said.. I understand their rights as natives but there must be accountability.

Unlike most hunger strikers, Chief Spence might have gained weight on during her hunger strike. God know what she's being fed and pampered inside that tent of her... Eat all day, take a hiatus from work, don't move around all day while calling it a hunger strike - a no-fail recipe to gain weight xDD

Chief Spence may not know what a great service she is doing for Canada and all the Indian and aboriginal nations of Canada. Surely there will be accountability of funds that are sent to the aboriginal and Indian nations now. In trying to get more money to line her own pockets she may have brought about positive change for the Indian people.

 

[fuji]

The Indian Act needs an overhaul. It is a horrible act and the large sums of money we pump into reserves aren't doing any good.

The native theatrics don't help and their demands amount to "increase our allowance please" but there is a real problem that needs a real solution.

We need to move away from a centrally planned welfare approach to native issues towards investment that builds communities and creates opportunities.

 

[blackrock13]

this is a real hunger strike

Only in your opinion, as I said look it up, or better yet try.