when is a hunger strike not a hunger strike when you consume broth all day

msog87

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Aboriginals Chiefs aren't children nor are they stupid. There may be a massive cultural gap but this is corruption not stupidity at work. They may not be Wall street masters but many reserves are properly run and managed. Spence is calculating and manipulative. She started all this knowing damn well it was going to hit the fan.

Patronizing aboriginals is just plain offensive and solves nothing. The system is broken and the feds and the chiefs are to blame. The feds for their weakness and incompetence and the chiefs for their greed. Everybody involved needs to wear this so that the victims, the kids growing up on the reserves, have a future instead of more generations of the same crap because somewhere along the line they got the impression they are expected to amount to nothing by greedy chiefs and silly white people suffering from excess guilt. Hand-up not hand-out.
we arnt talking a missing 100 grand, we are talking millions of unaccounted for dollars this was no mistake and its obvious records were either destroyed or never existed its not hard to keep track of major expenses.
 

LKD

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I think your post is just bigotry. Again, I think when you have a community in the middle of nowhere, with 1900 people, most of whom lack an education--when you think you can hand them millions of dollars and expect them to manage that properly, YOU are the problem. Only an idiot would do that.

What we need is some larger scale governance for native communities, bringing together enough people that there's a credible base to draw leadership and experience from. We should not expect competent governance from communities of less than, say, 30000 people. A 30000 person community can get together the resources to do proper accounting and budgeting, combine services to some reasonable level of efficiency, and draw on a voter base large enough to come up with some semi-credible leaders.

It's just not realistic to expect a backwater community of 1900 people to manage what we are expecting them to manage. That's our fault.
oh please... we have freaking immigrants and refugees who come into this country today with barely a few dollars, no family, relatives or friends and often barely speak a few words in english, but they work hard and end up having better lives in a matter of years than many of these natives with generations who've lived here long before Canada even formed.
 

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oh please... we have freaking immigrants and refugees who come into this country today with barely a few dollars, no family, relatives or friends and often barely speak a few words in english, but they work hard and end up having better lives in a matter of years than many of these natives with generations who've lived here long before Canada even formed.
That's what I used to think when I was as ignorant as you are.

If you actually spend the time to look into these issues you will see that essentially the Canadian Government has been a force for evil. Evil is a strong word, but it's the only word if there was any sense of intentionality around the design of the Indian Act and the reserves system. Hopefully it was just an accident and turned out this way despite better intentions.

The Indian Act, in an honest assessment of what its effects actually are, is designed to prevent any progress or development on reserves, and designed to discourage natives from moving off reserve. There are penalties for moving off reserve, steep ones. On the other hand, natives on reserve aren't allowed to plan their own affairs--everything is centrally managed by Ottawa through one of the worst possible bureaucracies. They get some sort of nominal say in spending money--but it really boils down to doling out money along pre-approved lines. Usually, along useless lines. Some bureaucrat gets to say a million bucks was spent improving the situation when in reality what was done didn't do anybody any good.

Natives who stay on reserve are on the receiving end of some pretty generous welfare, but the string attached is that they not do anything to improve their lot. Natives who move off reserve enter the workforce with worse education than anybody else, and lose their treaty rights in the process.

If we ever want to see our native Canadian population advancing the way that our imimigrants do there is a whole lot of baggage there that we need to get rid of--and no general agreement on how to do that.

I really don't believe the average Canadian has any idea just to what an extent the Federal government attempts to micromanage life on a reserve, and the extreme to which the government fucks that up.
 

blackrock13

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oh please... we have freaking immigrants and refugees who come into this country today with barely a few dollars, no family, relatives or friends and often barely speak a few words in english, but they work hard and end up having better lives in a matter of years than many of these natives with generations who've lived here long before Canada even formed.
Very few of them have the restrictions laid on them that the FN do as outlined in the IA. A good number of them also come here and sam the system from day one.
 

blackrock13

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lol no canadian politician wants to open up that can of worms, youre so full of shit. Imagine what the left would do if reserves were shut down or some type of welfare to work program was initiated? the aboriginals know they can get away with murder bc no politician wants to fuck with them. Aboriginals have the power to disrupt the economy by blocking rail lines or doing things like refusing to allow a mine to be built. If harper had balls he;d have her arrested but he;s just like all the other politicians, chief spence included. He wants to stay in power and enjoy all the perks
and you call me full of it.

Exactly what would the charge be against Chief Spence?

I think you're spending way too much time by yourself in the supply closet at work.
 

blackrock13

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the whole thing is a joke. And yeah who is really monitoring her food intake? the whole reserve system needs to be abolished its just a system of perpetual poverty and corruption.
I suspect she's under a lot of scrutiny, from medical staff and close advisors. Hey, you work in a hospital. Are you volunteering?
 

blackrock13

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Where are the documents that you alluded to in trying to make your argument?

He can't produce them because they probably don't exist. If you keep accurate records that means people could be held accountable for the fraud and theft.
username999 I guess the alleged documents alluded to by blackrock were a case of ................

My guess is that some of these super-high-post-count non-hobbyist trolls like to a) argue and b) read the reviews and touch themselves.

I stepped in it a couple of times before I figured it out. Every post starts with either an insult or if you call them on it switches to passive-aggressive insults, word-twisting. Then it ticks you off and now you're doing the same all over the place. I just don't have the free time to go back and forth with someone like that. I work for a living and can't be part of someone's weird debate-porn fetish.

Before you seriously engage someone that has that many posts and is probably a virgin, take a moment to reflect on the level of anger and sadness someone must have to live that life and just walk away. If enough people take that approach maybe they'll go outside or even see an SP and work some stuff out, the level of discourse on the board will rise about 500%.

Don't feed the pigeons and they will fly away.
Wrong on what the $140,000 rink and Zamboni? lol

Until you post the documents, I think we all know who the jackass is.
lol - go ahead and post them
Really? Can you back any of those claims up with copies of the documents? I suspect not. If you are arguing that there is no fraud, waste and mismanagement in the Indian industry then you are seriously delusional.

Sorry, my mistake, the Zamboni and rink cost $140,000 together. The Zamboni was only $70,000.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/02/crisis-of-management
It seems you three mokes are having fun with the name calling based on nothing more than your ignorance and child like need to entertain yourself.

As I said earlier, patience jackass.

I've been accused of making stuff up, blowing smoke and basically lying. You don't know me very well.

How about you putting your money or reputation where you well exercised mouth is? Let's see if you've got the cajones to stand behind your accusations. Shall we put it to the test?
 

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As long as natives are divided they will never achieve their aims, the government will just divide and rule. So these people condemned to their current situation.

Hunger strikes consisting of unlimited broth and orange juice and civil protests are just futile. Further the Canadian public don't really care about the native issues. therefore the politicians see no votes in resolving this conundrum.

The natives need to integrate with the rest of Canadian society and give up there reserve life which will never be a viable existence.
 

blackrock13

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As long as natives are divided they will never achieve their aims, the government will just divide and rule. So these people condemned to their current situation.

Hunger strikes consisting of unlimited broth and orange juice and civil protests are just futile. Further the Canadian public don't really care about the native issues. therefore the politicians see no votes in resolving this conundrum.

The natives need to integrate with the rest of Canadian society and give up there reserve life which will never be a viable existence.
Just to show how not interested the AA Ministry is, the $300 million announced this week with much fanfare to be sent to reserves to help was budgeted for almost two years ago. It's not new money and has been held by the AA for whatever reason. Control?
 

Celticman

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. You don't know me very well.

How about you putting your money or reputation where you well exercised mouth is? Let's see if you've got the cajones to stand behind your accusations. Shall we put it to the test?
Actually, your public persona is well known. You engage in disputatious trolling in order to achive notoriety via your prolific post counts. Your passion/hobby in life is to post on Terb like no other. With a constant average of 22 posts every day of your membership, you have outclassed all others significantly. Congratulations. As to your other point, you made a ludicrous claim to have documentation to prove your point about Chief Spence. Now that you have been called out on it by a number of members, and obviously cannot produce said documents, you resort to schoolboy challenges about courage and bets. Knowing full well that in an anonymous environment neither is possible. Slink off into the shadows or man up and back up your point.
 

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oh please... we have freaking immigrants and refugees who come into this country today with barely a few dollars, no family, relatives or friends and often barely speak a few words in english, but they work hard and end up having better lives in a matter of years than many of these natives with generations who've lived here long before Canada even formed.
Like.
 

blackrock13

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Actually, your public persona is well known. You engage in disputatious trolling in order to achive notoriety via your prolific post counts. Your passion/hobby in life is to post on Terb like no other. With a constant average of 22 posts every day of your membership, you have outclassed all others significantly. Congratulations. As to your other point, you made a ludicrous claim to have documentation to prove your point about Chief Spence. Now that you have been called out on it by a number of members, and obviously cannot produce said documents, you resort to schoolboy challenges about courage and bets. Knowing full well that in an anonymous environment neither is possible. Slink off into the shadows or man up and back up your point.
So how about you putting your mouth and reputation on the line? You and the other two mokes have basically called me a bull shiter and liar. At least at this time, the third attempt, you got the math right.

Are you in?

No schoolboy challenge, just a chance to show who the liars, jackasses, and bull shiters are. It's a simple bet, very easy to fulfill.
 

username999

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It seems you three mokes are having fun with the name calling based on nothing more than your ignorance and child like need to entertain yourself.

As I said earlier, patience jackass.

I've been accused of making stuff up, blowing smoke and basically lying. You don't know me very well.

How about you putting your money or reputation where you well exercised mouth is? Let's see if you've got the cajones to stand behind your accusations. Shall we put it to the test?
lol - welcome to my ignore list
 

Celticman

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So, I take it that you aren't standing behind your accusations; no balls/convictions/guts at all.

That's the cowards way out. Figured.

It's a simple bet, easy to deliver on.
Your infantile reaction to having your bluff called is sad. So much drama from people like you that come here and do not hobby, just troll. Also adding to ignore. Guess I will never see the non existant documents. Nor will anyone else on terb that read your drivel.
 

blackrock13

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Your infantile reaction to having your bluff called is sad. So much drama from people like you that come here and do not hobby, just troll. Also adding to ignore. Guess I will never see the non existant documents. Nor will anyone else on terb that read your drivel.
My bluff is not called. I just want you to put something on the table for your accusations. As for your last comment, you're wrong there as well.

You simply won't stand behind your groundless accusations and are retreating behind the 'ignore'.
 

Narg

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Interesting. I know NOTHING about the Indian Act. I know precious little about the Reserves. Without knowing what the problems are and understanding at least some of the causes of those problems, no real debate is possible. Hence what is happening in this thread.

I've seen a couple of posts which provide more information (at least one by Fuji and one by Kerrixoxo come to mind). However, I am satisfied that most of you have as little relevant knowledge as I do. Other than some general opinions on the nature of hunger strikes and or on society/politics in general, most of this thread appears to be ad hominem attacks.
 

blackrock13

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Interesting. I know NOTHING about the Indian Act. I know precious little about the Reserves. Without knowing what the problems are and understanding at least some of the causes of those problems, no real debate is possible. Hence what is happening in this thread.

I've seen a couple of posts which provide more information (at least one by Fuji and one by Kerrixoxo come to mind). However, I am satisfied that most of you have as little relevant knowledge as I do. Other than some general opinions on the nature of hunger strikes and or on society/politics in general, most of this thread appears to be ad hominem attacks.
Only if they are not true.
 

blackrock13

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More accurately ... most of this thread appears to be ad hominem attacks which you started - posts 5 and 7.
Speaking of accuracy, I didn't post #5.

Aside from that most of the thread is basically an attack on the FN, Chief Spence, and INM movement.
 
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