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People really have to pull their heads out of their anuses where it comes to debate.

Fucking I do believe that most of us are adult enough to recognize politicization and polemic when we see it. It's just irritating because we aren't discussing the issues when one of your arguments of why something is wrong is because it comes from some mythical 'leftist' bogeyman, or is believed by some kind of legendary leftist commie junta hiding in the bushes.

We're all Canadians here.
 
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gargravarrh said:
People really have to pull their heads out of their anuses where it comes to debate.

Fucking I do believe that most of us are adult enough to recognize politicization and polemic when we see it. It's just irritating because we aren't discussing the issues when one of your arguments of why something is wrong is because it comes from some mythical 'leftist' bogeyman, or is believed by some kind of legendary leftist commie junta hiding in the bushes.

We're all Canadians here.
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OK,...here's a question for you,...what does "the left" mean to you ?

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FAST, who the fuck cares? Is it relevant? People don't seek to convince, they seek to intimidate, they seek to divide. You wanna peg it down, you want to label. Neither are arguments, neither address the issues. My entire point is, is that the development of meaning for left, right, is just that, development. They're characitures for cowardly little men to hide behind.
 
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gargravarrh said:
FAST, who the fuck cares? Is it relevant? People don't seek to convince, they seek to intimidate, they seek to divide. You wanna peg it down, you want to label. Neither are arguments, neither address the issues. My entire point is, is that the development of meaning for left, right, is just that, development. They're characitures for cowardly little men to hide behind.
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The left does a great job at this. They demonize anyone who doesn't agree with them by calling them ignorant, racist, sexist or uneducated.
 
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K Douglas said:
The left does a great job at this. They demonize anyone who doesn't agree with them by calling them ignorant, racist, sexist or uneducated.
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The right does a great job at this. They demonize anyone who doesn't agree with them by calling them "libtards", communists, pinkos, socialists, traitors, bleeding hearts, faggots, reverse racists, apologists, idiots, etc.
 
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K Douglas said:
The left does a great job at this. They demonize anyone who doesn't agree with them by calling them ignorant, racist, sexist or uneducated.
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Hmm-m

My definition of Left was going to be 'anyone who isn't ignorant, racist, sexist or uneducated'
 
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Is this your idea of reasonable debate?
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I've decided that you can't debate with most lefties anymore, they lack common sense yet seem to think they are morally superior.
 
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Well Woodpeker is a self admitted leftie and self appointed voice for the lefties. (just ask him)
I think he is a moron and disagree with him on 90% of issues
It will be difficult for Lefties to gain credibility when lunatics are so eager to represent them

The other issue is lefties seem to think they have a legitimate claim on my income via taxation.
Stealing from me is a sure way to increase animosity
 
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Let me offer a different theory: too many folks in the "centre-left" or "left" don't like to be identified that way because they think it makes them look nobler if they pretend they are above political views.

I get the sense that some people like to imagine themselves as somehow being only focused on what's best for society -- rather than admit their views are shaped by a particular political viewpoint.

Thinking of the comments in another thread, I certainly don't consider Noam Chomsky to be "the Master" but at least I know where the Chomsky fans stand.

Let me throw this back at those who think big government is the answer to most of life's problems: If you don't like being known as "left," what do you want to be called?

You certainly can't claim to be apolitical.
 
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gargravarrh said:
FAST, who the fuck cares? Is it relevant? People don't seek to convince, they seek to intimidate, they seek to divide. You wanna peg it down, you want to label. Neither are arguments, neither address the issues. My entire point is, is that the development of meaning for left, right, is just that, development. They're characitures for cowardly little men to hide behind.
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It must be relevant,...you initiated the topic.

I asked you a simple question,...you answered with "they seek to divide", I don't understand how my question to you, did that.

You either have an opinion on what " the left" means, or you don't, calling the terms "the left" and "the right",... "development" is a none answer.

You can't make statements about a term, if you don't know what it means, obviously you don't,... otherwise you would have stated what you think it means.

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FAST said:
OK,...here's a question for you,...what does "the left" mean to you ?

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I believe "right" and "left" are stereotypes which exist only in opposition to each other. At best, these terms indicate positions relative to each other on a spectrum between individualism, on the far right, and collectivism on the far left. Therefore, "left" denotes an idea which is more collectivist than an idea described as "right". "Centrist" of course, describes anyone who agrees with me.
 
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Narg said:
I believe "right" and "left" are stereotypes which exist only in opposition to each other. At best, these terms indicate positions relative to each other on a spectrum between individualism, on the far right, and collectivism on the far left. Therefore, "left" denotes an idea which is more collectivist than an idea described as "right". "Centrist" of course, describes anyone who agrees with me.
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The last stats I heard on the make up of the political scene in the US, showed that about a 1/3 of the electorate were floating in the middle, neither left or right.

I wonder how it is in Canada. Mind you, a 'Rightie' in Canada is still possibility left of a similarly labelled Righty in the US. How many informed Amuricans wrongfully labeled Obama a socialist/commie in the last elections.

Labels can be so much fun.
 
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True conservatives seek opportunity for all. Prosperity.

Liberals, progressives seem to try and create issues like the war on women, racial divides, rich dont pay their fair share, etc.... they divide.

I am curious as hell to know what the end game is for the progressives on MSNBC. How do they see America? What "rights" do they ascribe in their collectivist thinking/ What successful model are they following? I truly am curious. It boggles my mind some of the arguments they try and advance.

I do agree w the OP that the division has to stop. There have to be a few unifying principles around which we as humans, in Canada, US wherever must coalesce and build upon. Politics is too "important". Its become a blood sport. At our expense. Those with access to politicians are too empowered and it corrupts EVERYTHING
 
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Narg said:
I believe "right" and "left" are stereotypes which exist only in opposition to each other. At best, these terms indicate positions relative to each other on a spectrum between individualism, on the far right, and collectivism on the far left. Therefore, "left" denotes an idea which is more collectivist than an idea described as "right". "Centrist" of course, describes anyone who agrees with me.
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I believe the preferred contemporary simplification is to divide things into quadrants between left <--> right and libertarian <--> authoritarian. You can take a test here:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

I score like a slightly more libertarian Gandhi. That's not surprising as I identify as secular humanist who is someplace between a Social Democrat and Democratic Socialist, with a strong sense of consenting and informed adult, human to human (only), Libertarianism. If the former is too long I'm happy with Leftist or (modern) Socialist. :)

The test ( http://www.politicalcompass.org/ ) is pretty quick, and doesn't suffer too much of a case of Americanitis.

And, uhhgh, I tend to avoid the politics forum because I'd rather not be in the muck in the place I got to read about nudie bars. I find certain (normally hard right) folks, posting threads in the lobby as flamebait, to be irritating. Especially when it happens to be trite and predictable. If you want to talk about something, then talk, like a human, be amenable to new information, and concede when you're wrong. When you start a new thread stop and ask, "Does this belong in the Lounge? Even though it's technically OK here, would a more appropriate home be the Poli-Ghetto?"
 
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