Man with knife on streetcar at Dundas and Grace, shot by police
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110%!Sure, but we need to resist this ludicrous idea that he keeps his job unless convicted of a crime. We want quality employees, the standard to keep your job should be significantly higher than merely not being a criminal!
100% agree this is the biggest issueHe may have indeed challenged the cop initially but he was drunk or high, because nobody in their right mind would challenge a cop pointing a gun at them. But the cop escalated the challenge. That's the issue.
Then after he's shot, the kid who probably couldn't believe he got shot and pissed in his drunken state, may have waved his knife desperately on the floor of the streetcar as he lays their dying, and Morcillo acts like "Oh yeah, you still holding that fucking knife, I told you to drop it punk", and wastes him right then and there.
(I've watched this video, and Morcillo is yelling or in a state of distress AFTER the 9th shot. He's clearly agitated. SY pushed the right buttons in this young cop who appears to have lost his cool. THIS IS MY BEEF WITH WHAT HAPPENED.)
Indeed, it would have been quite easy I think for anyone who was not an INCOMPETENT FUCKHEAD to end this situation without bloodshed.I could swear I heard Morcillo say, 'take another step and you will *bleep-bleep* die.
That's a dare. That's a taunt. The kid was already in a fucked up state of mind, maybe out to prove something, but Morcillo's words were not the right ones to defuse the situation.
He should have said (without his gun drawn but perhaps with his hand on his holster - another cop on the sideline could've had his gun drawn just in case SY charged forward), "What seems to be the problem? What's upsetting you? Take it easy. Everything will be alright. We can have a safe outcome here without anybody getting hurt but you have to lose the knife. That's protocol okay? etc. etc. etc." He could also have thanked Sammy for letting all the passengers go and tell him that's a good thing.
I believe I can recommend an ex judge who has been all the above, then some and takes shit from no one, not even his bosses. He spends much of his spare time fishing for eels in the St Lawrence, catch and release I hope, so possibly could use a change. He's already had a few police forces in his sights in the past and left his mark.Okay thanks, and I'm no big fan of lawyers he he.
Ridiculous. That was a police instruction meant to make sure the kid kept to a safe distance. He was clear about what the consequences would be for taking a hostile action.I could swear I heard Morcillo say, 'take another step and you will *bleep-bleep* die.
That's a dare. That's a taunt. ...
Do you also see speed limits as a dare?
Like proving misconduct. I sort of thought that it was the SIU in charge of determining misconduct yet fuji says he should be fired BEFORE that investigation occurs.In a non unionized one, perhaps. Even then their are laws which an employer must follow when firing someone.
I'll let your expertise and exposure to the SP industry carry that point of half are jaded, but it still carries that an expert's opinions are what makes him money and to give screwy opinions too many times doesn't make for good business. Even Rush Limbaugh's and Glenn Beck's advertisers have learned that lesson.
As for the experts opinions, it's more based on what they are doing now more than what they did on the job, but not exclusively. I've known layers, judges, even mechanics and plumbers who were cops. I'm more interested in their expertise now than before. I've never claimed that all cops are right. I thought you said you'd read my posts? you must have missed the ones on the RCMP in BC and Alberta.
Please read my dear friend
lest I have to school you again.
IF there are and therefore IF half of those.
Is the way the sentence goes.
No where near stating that is any reflection
or actual data, fact or numeration
Just a what if, a scenario, a suggestion,
something to help change your perception
So please carry on with your thread as you will
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I leave you to the others for entertainment and play
for to you dear friend, I have nothing left to say.
Good thing the SIU is a civilian organization.I'm no big fan of only cops investigating cops as well.
You're a poet don't you know it!
Please read my dear friend
lest I have to school you again.
IF there are and therefore IF half of those.
Is the way the sentence goes.
No where near stating that is any reflection
or actual data, fact or numeration
Just a what if, a scenario, a suggestion,
something to help change your perception
So please carry on with your thread as you will
Enjoy my replies that are not run of the mill
I leave you to the others for entertainment and play
for to you dear friend, I have nothing left to say.
Ridiculous. That was a police instruction meant to make sure the kid kept to a safe distance. He was clear about what the consequences would be for taking a hostile action.
Do you also see speed limits as a dare?
That's not the way to talk to a kid who's obviously in a state of mental distress. Only Dirty Harry talks like that.
Speed limit signs don't taunt.
If I was his boss he would already be gone. I would engage HR and legal to figure out the details of whether we have to pay severance.Like proving misconduct. I sort of thought that it was the SIU in charge of determining misconduct yet fuji says he should be fired BEFORE that investigation occurs.
Incompetence should never be tolerated. It hits the morale of the entire team when a blundering employee is not swiftly dealt with.
Whether he is a criminal is the subject of the investigation and a matter for the courts. That he is incompetent is clearly captured on video and that is a matter for his boss to address.
Good thing the SIU is a civilian organization.
Who rely on the co-operation of the police to do their job, but reportedly claim to get poor co-operation.
If I was his boss he would already be gone. I would engage HR and legal to figure out the details of whether we have to pay severance.
Incompetence should never be tolerated. It hits the morale of the entire team when a blundering employee is not swiftly dealt with.
Whether he is a criminal is the subject of the investigation. That he is incompetent is clearly captured on video.
I concur.
That is difficult to do. Nothing can really happen until the criminal investigation is concluded. To act on the civil side would be too prejudicial.Like proving misconduct. I sort of thought that it was the SIU in charge of determining misconduct yet fuji says he should be fired BEFORE that investigation occurs.
Even Dirty Harry only speak like that to gun armed thugs.. not high kids having a mental break down.That's not the way to talk to a kid who's obviously in a state of mental distress. Only Dirty Harry talks like that.
Speed limit signs don't taunt.
You have news that he was in drugs? A little tightly wound, but no sources that I know have reported he was on drugs.Even Dirty Harry only speak like that to gun armed thugs.. not high kids having a mental break down.
You know it's not that easy.If I was his boss he would already be gone. I would engage HR and legal to figure out the details of whether we have to pay severance.
Incompetence should never be tolerated. It hits the morale of the entire team when a blundering employee is not swiftly dealt with.
Whether he is a criminal is the subject of the investigation and a matter for the courts. That he is incompetent is clearly captured on video and that is a matter for his boss to address.
What if the cop in question has an underying mental health issue ? or is an alcoholic, you simply cannot just fire him
FUJI might ask for a paid for 72 hour evaluation a CAMH, just in case they missed something at his last yearly, watch it.You know it's not that easy.
What if the cop in question has an underying mental health issue ? or is an alcoholic, you simply cannot just fire him
Sure you can. You will just pay more to do so.You know it's not that easy.
What if the cop in question has an underying mental health issue ? or is an alcoholic, you simply cannot just fire him
I do not tolerate poor employees and I am prepared to pay to get rid of them. I wouldn't pay a hundred grand for a crap resource that would negatively impact performance of the entire team.
If a known alcoholic or an individual with mental health issues was given a firearm and sent out into the public I would also fire his supervisor.
