Pamela Wallin to pay back $140k..WTF !!!

blackrock13

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Yes Brazeau, like Harb should also go to jail.

So far, the Conservatives have kicked Conservative Senators out of the Senate.

Still waiting for Harb to be punted as a Liberal.

Then all should go to jail.

But as for news..all rags have dropped the lame story.
So now it's all newspapers have dropped it, not you original claim. considering their readership is plummeting, I suspect they have other things to cover, but you must read different papers.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ware-wallin-billed-taxpayers/article13777481/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/comm...ing-of-resident-for-senators/article13767763/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...y-of-residential-requirement/article13778504/


.... and that's just in today's copy of one paper.
 

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I can and will continue to blame you for being a shill, because that's what you are.

It's not over for the Chronicle Herald, an east coast conservative-leaning publication. And real Conservatives should be the ones braying loudest about the criminals that Harper appointed. Or they should all stop claiming to be "tough on crime" since, well, they are not.




The Liberal party should appoint you Director of Propaganda. Harper had no way of knowing that those individuals with good reputations prior to the Senate would do anything criminal.

I suppose we should go back and chastise Pierre Elliot Trudeau for selecting Francis Fox for his cabinet?
 

blackrock13

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The Liberal party should appoint you Director of Propaganda. Harper had no way of knowing that those individuals with good reputations prior to the Senate would do anything criminal.

I suppose we should go back and chastise Pierre Elliot Trudeau for selecting Francis Fox for his cabinet?
Harper appointed all three. As Rex Murphy said no one should appoint journalist t the Senate. Brazeau was a well known hot head and loose cannon before his appointment, but Harper didn't listen to his advisors. Duff was also known to have a big problem with the bottle and once in he was in it was on record nearly half of the meetings of committees he was on, yet the others Senators had 80-100% attendance. Gee, so was Brazeau. do we see a pattern here?
 

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Are you exaggerating? Maybe the government truly had/have to pay such sums. When waste is truly proven, people know about it (like the gun registry, etc. etc. etc.).
No, I am afraid I am not exaggerating. The feds blew 2 billion. Dollars. On one single G20 weekend. And the F35 procurement lies are well documented. Hell, catching them out on BS about the F35 is one of the reasons they have shitcanned parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page - their own appointee who made the mistake of believing the new office meant he was supposed to be a sorta financial ombudsman (as per the job description) instead of a rubber-stamping yes man for every lie the government vomits forth. If you cared to google for all of 30 seconds, you'd get the stunningly depressing numbers from multiple sources, including the Parliamentary Budget Office.

But even a broken clock is right twice a day and you did manage to mention one thing that was genuinely wasteful - scrapping the gun registry. Then again, why worry about chucking all the effort and resources that went into a programme that saves lives when you can pander to wannabe Americans over a stupid and distracting issue. And they are STILL name dropping the fucking registry every chance they get (talk about beating a dead horse!), hoping to distract the base from their criminal mismanagement and get another mighty 24% majority.
 

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No, I am afraid I am not exaggerating. The feds blew 2 billion. Dollars. On one single G20 weekend. And the F35 procurement lies are well documented. Hell, catching them out on BS about the F35 is one of the reasons they have shitcanned parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page - their own appointee who made the mistake of believing the new office meant he was supposed to be a sorta financial ombudsman (as per the job description) instead of a rubber-stamping yes man for every lie the government vomits forth. If you cared to google for all of 30 seconds, you'd get the stunningly depressing numbers from multiple sources, including the Parliamentary Budget Office.

But even a broken clock is right twice a day and you did manage to mention one thing that was genuinely wasteful - scrapping the gun registry. Then again, why worry about chucking all the effort and resources that went into a programme that saves lives when you can pander to wannabe Americans over a stupid and distracting issue. And they are STILL name dropping the fucking registry every chance they get (talk about beating a dead horse!), hoping to distract the base from their criminal mismanagement and get another mighty 24% majority.

G20's cost money. What do other countries pay? We have to do our share to be in that club. It cost more also due to those anarchists/shit disturbers who can't obey cops and respect security barriers.

F35 hi-tech planes cost money. Can you build a better plane for cheaper that's also cheaper to maintain?

I haven't heard about wastage or over-spending but all governments are guilty of that I suppose, just a matter of degrees.
 

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G20's cost money. What do other countries pay? We have to do our share to be in that club. It cost more also due to those anarchists/shit disturbers who can't obey cops and respect security barriers.
Jeesus! A hamburger costs money. That doesn't mean I should drop 2 billion dollars on it. Other countries paid less. All of them. Before and since. Cops from London to Seoul got to bust heads and detain hippies to their heart's content all for much, much less.

F35 hi-tech planes cost money. Can you build a better plane for cheaper that's also cheaper to maintain?
Personally, no. But there are those in the aerospace industry who claim they can, yeah. And again "X costs money" is not an argument. Especially when you should be pissed off about the insanely inflated price that continues to grow, the outright lies time and again about what those costs are, and the closed nature of the procurement.

I haven't heard about wastage or over-spending but all governments are guilty of that I suppose, just a matter of degrees.
A difference of degree can be a difference in kind. I find it mind-boggling that Conservatives still trott out the old Liberal sponsorship scandal in all its petty few million bucks, when they are wasting fucking orders of magnitudes more to the tune of tens of billions. But hey, at least they are firing public servants and reducing services so we can all feel some pain.
 

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The biggest cost for the G20....BY FAR....was brought on by left wing, tree hugging thugs who insist they must violently protest.

The meetings themselves are actually quite cheap. A few flights, a few hotel rooms, a few meals..some limos. Normal conference shit.

Heck, I just got back from a 5 day (4 night) conference that cost attendees 1600.... All in!

Over 96% of that G20 costing can be directly related to the lefty Liberals and their insistence on buffoonery.
 

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The biggest cost for the G20....BY FAR....was brought on by left wing, tree hugging thugs who insist they must violently protest.

The meetings themselves are actually quite cheap. A few flights, a few hotel rooms, a few meals..some limos. Normal conference shit.

Heck, I just got back from a 5 day (4 night) conference that cost attendees 1600.... All in!

Over 90% of that costing can be directly related to the lefty Liberals and their insistence on buffoonery.
Those whacky liberals! (PROTIP: liberals hold fundraisers. The lefties who protested were not "liberals", neither small "l" nor capital "L") If only they hadn't forced the Harper government to funnel millions into conservative ridings (hi there, Tony Clements and cronies!) and build fake lakes and shit, the price tag may have been lower. Not to mention their unseemly insistence on the right to voice disapproval or protest against something. I mean, what do they think this is, a free country or summin?
 

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Those whacky liberals! (PROTIP: liberals hold fundraisers. The lefties who protested were not "liberals", neither small "l" nor capital "L") If only they hadn't forced the Harper government to funnel millions into conservative ridings (hi there, Tony Clements and cronies!) and build fake lakes and shit, the price tag may have been lower. Not to mention their unseemly insistence on the right to voice disapproval or protest against something. I mean, what do they think this is, a free country or summin?
Im cool with rally's.

But the G20 PROTESTER people cost us billions.
 

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Jeesus! A hamburger costs money. That doesn't mean I should drop 2 billion dollars on it. Other countries paid less. All of them. Before and since. Cops from London to Seoul got to bust heads and detain hippies to their heart's content all for much, much less.

Personally, no. But there are those in the aerospace industry who claim they can, yeah. And again "X costs money" is not an argument. Especially when you should be pissed off about the insanely inflated price that continues to grow, the outright lies time and again about what those costs are, and the closed nature of the procurement.

A difference of degree can be a difference in kind. I find it mind-boggling that Conservatives still trott out the old Liberal sponsorship scandal in all its petty few million bucks, when they are wasting fucking orders of magnitudes more to the tune of tens of billions. But hey, at least they are firing public servants and reducing services so we can all feel some pain.

Holding a G20 Conference is not like buying a hamburger.
 

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Holding a G20 Conference is not like buying a hamburger.

Its not a hamburger, but it could have been a whore of a lot cheaper....like 96% cheaper.

but those left protesters drove up the price Astronomically.

Dont get me wrong, I'm good with rally's and protests....But let's remember...the cost of democracy is expensive when you burn police cars and loot your own city.

So rally all you like...but that cost Billions in the G20. Pretty hard to blame Harper, when SECURITY WAS A HUGE REQUIREMENT for the hooligans.
 

blackrock13

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A complete audit of all the Senators is being considered. This should be fun and make it a shoe infor the headlines through the summer. No wonder Frank didn't take me on the bet. Maybe he's got an insider in the Senator.
 

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Frank...

All G20 summits have protesters and cost money. But $2 billion dollars being spent AHEAD OF TIME in anticipation of a bogeyman that failed to materialize was a bad decision by all involved. The slush fund splashover in which unrelated political favours in the form of "projects" were given to Conservative ridings under the guise of G20 infrastructure was fraudulent.

It does not cost $2 billion to hire all the cops in Canada on overtime for three days...or a week.
 

blackrock13

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Frank...

All G20 summits have protesters and cost money. But $2 billion dollars being spent AHEAD OF TIME in anticipation of a bogeyman that failed to materialize was a bad decision by all involved. The slush fund splashover in which unrelated political favours in the form of "projects" were given to Conservative ridings under the guise of G20 infrastructure was fraudulent.

It does not cost $2 billion to hire all the cops in Canada on overtime for three days...or a week.

IIRC, the actual cost of the security operations was under $1 billion.
 

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Boys Boys Boys...if you read my posts, I have already stated that HARB and all the other scheisters should go to jail.

But in addressing the current conversation, this issue is dead in the water.
This is simply not true.

So far, the Conservatives have kicked Conservative Senators out of the Senate.

Still waiting for Harb to be punted as a Liberal.

Then all should go to jail.

But as for news..all rags have dropped the lame story.
What are the names of the senators that the Conservatives have kicked out of the Senate?
Exactly what procedural or legislative authority was used by "the Conservatives" to kick out these Conservative senators? This is fascinating. What are the names of the Conservatives who did the kicking?!


The Liberal party should appoint you Director of Propaganda.
Thanks but all I'm doing is reading and posting articles from various papers.

And laughing at the idiots who think that any media that in any way criticizes any single Conservative instantly becomes a "left wing rag". The Globe endorsed Harper in the last election! But now, it's a left wing rag. Sun media too - must be a left wing media conglomerate, since it is posting critical items about Wallin's fraudulent expense accounting.
 

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MattRoxx

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Audit The Senate!!!
Senators Facing Scrutiny
As the Senate spending scandals unfolds, travel rules and spending in the upper chamber are under the microscope like never before.
Not only is the federal spending watchdog in the early stages of a complete Senate audit, but the Senate's travel policy is also under active review.
According to reports, Auditor General Michael Ferguson will comb through the expenses of all senators.
at least it's a start, and contrary to what some have tried to argue, this story will not go away for a long time.
Strange to me that there are people who complain about unions but support the Senate even though its contract and capacity to keep members from being fired makes the Teamsters, CUPE, CUPW, teachers, even TPS look weak in comparison.

fmahovalich said:
So far, the Conservatives have kicked Conservative Senators out of the Senate.
Still waiting for specifics on this claim.
Don't tell me about senators who have left or been kicked out of the Con caucus but are still in the Senate (Wallin, Duffy and Brazeau) sitting with Harb as "independents" which is what I've already read.

You state there are Con senators who have been kicked out of the Senate by Conservatives. Please name them.
 

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This story is NOT going away, and here's an article that deserves its own post:

Auditor General Set To Probe Expenses
Canada’s auditor general is readying his office for a Senate expense audit that will examine the spending practices of every member of the troubled upper chamber.

Michael Ferguson’s audit could take at least a year to complete, said a source familiar with the plan the auditor laid out earlier this week for the Senate’s internal economy committee.

The performance audit will look not only at individual senators, but also at how well the institution is managing its resources, said the source, who was unauthorized to disclose details and so spoke on condition of anonymity.

In an interview with Global News, Ferguson said his office would be looking at the expense claims of individual senators and “going through those on a specific basis.”

Ferguson said he expects to begin the audit shortly — a process that can take up to 18 months. And he’s leaving open the possibility of releasing initial findings long before the audit is completed.

“We haven’t come to that decision yet, but we understand that people don’t want to wait 18 months to get all the information,” the auditor general told Global. “So if there’s any way that we can do some interim reporting, we will do that.”


Senators At Boot Camp Told It's Okay To Bill For Partisan Travel Expenses

Meanwhile, it emerged Thursday that three former Conservative senators at the heart of the current spending scandal were given clear directions from their leader in the upper chamber that they could bill for certain partisan — that is, political — travel when they first arrived in the Senate.

The boot camp briefing was offered to the group of 18 senators appointed in late 2008 by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, a group that included senators Mike Duffy, Pamela Wallin and Patrick Brazeau.

Each is now under the spotlight for their spending claims — Duffy and Brazeau for housing expenses, and Wallin for travel — with auditors delivering withering reports.
Harper can try to deny involvement but the well-publicized 'control freak' certainly had his hands in this.. The article continues with specifics and instances of ass-covering.
Tkachuk warned the freshmen senators to be careful about their spending, lest they land themselves and the institution in hot water. In early 2009, Tkachuk was made vice-chairman of the internal economy committee, the committee tasked with oversight of Senate spending, and the one that has overseen the audits of Duffy and Wallin.

Tkachuk told Postmedia News he informed senators, including Wallin, that it was OK to continue with their outside activities, such as being members of boards of directors, but not bill it back to the Senate.

“We should be involved in the community . . . but I wouldn’t have told (Wallin and others) to charge the Senate,” Tkachuk said.
Tkachuk et al can backpedal all they want but this looks to me like a clear cut incidence of conspiracy to commit fraud against taxpayers.
 
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