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Should Catholic schools in Ontario continue to be publically funded?

Should Catholic schools in Ontario continue to be publically funded?

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 30.6%
  • No

    Votes: 68 69.4%

  • Total voters
    98

JamesDouglas

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It seems very outdated and very discriminatory to have Catholic schools publically funded by the government of Ontario. It's either all faith based schools get public funding, or none of them do. In a secular country like Canada in the year 2014, it makes no sense to continue this outdated practice.

About 38% of the country is Catholic, but quickly catching up to the number of Catholics are those with no religious affiliation, who make up 24% of the country. Of course nothing will change anytime soon, but it's sad that our government discriminates against its citizens based on religion.
 

Aardvark154

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This is not really addressed to James, but this is an example of why after a few years people start posting sharp, short posts. There have already been two threads about this over the past few months. Is everyone now to repost all the comments constitutional and legal which have already been made?
 

JamesDouglas

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This is not really addressed to James, but this is an example of why after a few years people start posting sharp, short posts. There have already been two threads about this over the past few months. Is everyone now to repost all the comments constitutional and legal which have already been made?
I haven't seen those threads, and if it's been months, there's probably many new users with many new opinions about this issue.
 

Aardvark154

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You I believe are going to have a next to impossible time getting around § 93 of the Constitution Act, 1867 (a.k.a. the BNA). Further the SCC in held in Adler v. Ontario 3 S.C.R. 609 (1996), that the power granted under § 93 is plenary, and not subject to Charter attack. As was noted in Adler § 93 is the product of a historical compromise which was crucial to achieving Confederation.
 

Lovehobby

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Quebec got around it easily.
 

Aardvark154

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Quebec got around it easily.
Québec's was a change with next to no difference (save ironically for Francophone Protestants) since almost all of those in "Protestant" Schools continued on in the "English" schools. Further while Ontario has 37 Roman Catholic School Boards, Québec had but nine Protestant School Boards. Ontario's Roman Catholic schools are widely distributed across the province, Quebec's were heavily concentrated in the vicinity of Montreal
 

blackrock13

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Aardvark154

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Violation of human rights. Pretty clear one. This, from the UN: "The State party should adopt steps in order to eliminate discrimination on the basis of religion in the funding of schools in Ontario. "
Pleezee you mean the same U.N. Committee with such paragons of Human Rights as Algeria, the PRC, Saudi Arabia, Viet Nam< Russia, Cuba, Kazakhstan, Libya, Moldova and Pakistan
 

yung_dood

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The schools are only catholic in name! I graduated from highschool less than 10 years ago. All they have to do is hire non catholic teachers to remove the political correctness from it.

I personally think all religion is stupid btw
 

Lovehobby

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Québec's was a change with next to no difference (save ironically for Francophone Protestants) since almost all of those in "Protestant" Schools continued on in the "English" schools. Further while Ontario has 37 Roman Catholic School Boards, Québec had but nine Protestant School Boards. Ontario's Roman Catholic schools are widely distributed across the province, Quebec's were heavily concentrated in the vicinity of Montreal
Ontario can easily do the same, keep English/French, eliminate Catholic.
 

red

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Convert to catholicism and then you will enjoy all the special secret perks
 

Lovehobby

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Pleezee you mean the same U.N. Committee with such paragons of Human Rights as Algeria, the PRC, Saudi Arabia, Viet Nam< Russia, Cuba, Kazakhstan, Libya, Moldova and Pakistan
Besides the UN said eliminate discrimination but said all religions or no religions is ok. Therefore no religions.
 

whitewaterguy

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A lot of catholic schools have non catholic teachers and their Board offices have tons of non Catholic consultants. In fact you don't have to be catholic to be a student in these schools
 

NightOwlTO

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Québec's was a change with next to no difference (save ironically for Francophone Protestants) since almost all of those in "Protestant" Schools continued on in the "English" schools. Further while Ontario has 37 Roman Catholic School Boards, Québec had but nine Protestant School Boards. Ontario's Roman Catholic schools are widely distributed across the province, Quebec's were heavily concentrated in the vicinity of Montreal
This isn't accurate. Quebec went from a model where publically-funded schools were either Catholic or Protestant (and most Protestant schools were indeed Anglophone), to a model where publicly-funded schools are officially nonreligious and either Anglophone or Francophone. It's a total change for virtually everybody, albeit some Catholic schools have shown varying degrees of urgency (read: none) in actually implementing many of the changes. Many Protestant schools were already Protestant in name only, as most Quebec Jews will tell you.

Also, I assume by your last sentence you meant that Quebec's Protestant schools were heavily concentrated in the vicinity of Montreal, since Catholic schools were found throughout the province.

It's also flatly untrue that Ontario would have any harder time (in legal or legislative terms) getting a constitutional amendment passed than Quebec or Newfoundland did. On the other hand, the political will doesn't exist because groups like OECTA have a disproportionate financial interest in electoral politics (Quick quiz: Of the top 5 candidates in the last Ontario NDP leadership race, how many received contributions from OECTA, and how many were publicly in support of defunding Catholic schools? And is there any correlation between the answers to the previous question?). Likewise, some people have a personal stake in mendaciously misrepresenting the facts.

There is at the end of the day, no principled case for maintaining 100% public funding of Catholic schools and denying any degree of public funding to schools for other religious communities. The "we have no choice, the Constitution makes us" argument simply doesn't fly in light of the Quebec and Newfoundland experiences. It's institutionalized discrimination, plain and simple. Either establish a funding model with transparent, neutral criteria which is equally accessible to all religious communities, or join the 21st century and abolish the anachronism that is public Catholic education.
 

NightOwlTO

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Immoral? How so?
I think you'll find that most Canadians would consider religious discrimination by the state to be inherently immoral and entirely contrary to the putative values of Canadian society... at least at a cursory level.
 

Lovehobby

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There is a factor in politics called "intensity"

Sometimes a majority, even a big majority believes position X but is not high motivated. It is not a vote determining issue

however

On the other hand a very big minority takes position Y and it is a critical position for them. Their votes will swing on the issue.

In polling 70% in Ontario would abolish catholic system but don't feel very strongly about it.

The 30% that supports retention less than the 35% catholic population of Ontario, feels very strongly about it.

None of the 3 parties wants the political bloodbath that would come from attempted abolition.

Catholics in Ontario are high skewed to Liberal and NDP ridings.
 

NightOwlTO

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There's also the disparity in "intensity" among the majority of the populace, who are only mildly opposed to funding Catholic schools but are rabidly opposed to extending that funding to hijab-wearing Muslims. Just ask John Tory about that...
 
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