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Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast: source

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Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast: source


By Niluksi Koswanage and Eveline Danubrata

KUALA LUMPUR Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:52am EDT
(Reuters) - Malaysia's military believes a jetliner missing for almost four days turned and flew hundreds of kilometers to the west after it last made contact with civilian air traffic control off the country's east coast, a senior officer told Reuters on Tuesday.

In one of the most baffling mysteries in recent aviation history, a massive search operation for the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER has so far found no trace of the aircraft or the 239 passengers and crew.

Malaysian authorities have previously said flight MH370 disappeared about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur for the Chinese capital Beijing.

"It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.

That would appear to rule out sudden catastrophic mechanical failure, as it would mean the plane flew around 500 km (350 miles) at least after its last contact with air traffic control, although its transponder and other tracking systems were off.

A non-military source familiar with the investigations said the report was one of several theories and was being checked.

LOST CONTACT

At the time it lost contact with civilian air traffic control, the plane was roughly midway between Malaysia's east coast town of Kota Bharu and the southern tip of Vietnam, flying at 35,000 ft.

The Strait of Malacca, one of the world's busiest shipping channels, runs along Malaysia's west coast.

Malaysia's Berita Harian newspaper quoted air force chief Rodzali Daud as saying the plane was last detected at 2.40 a.m. by military radar near the island of Pulau Perak at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca. It was flying about 1,000 meters lower than its previous altitude, he was quoted as saying.

There was no word on what happened to the plane thereafter.

The effect of turning off the transponder is to make the aircraft inert to secondary radar, so civil controllers cannot identify it. Secondary radar interrogates the transponder and gets information about the plane's identity, speed and height.

It would however still be visible to primary radar, which is used by militaries.

Police had earlier said they were investigating whether any passengers or crew on the plane had personal or psychological problems that might explain its disappearance, along with the possibility of a hijack, sabotage or mechanical failure.

There was no distress signal or radio contact indicating a problem and, in the absence of any wreckage or flight data, police have been left trawling through passenger and crew lists for potential leads.

"Maybe somebody on the flight has bought a huge sum of insurance, who wants family to gain from it or somebody who has owed somebody so much money, you know, we are looking at all possibilities," Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar told a news conference.

"We are looking very closely at the video footage taken at the KLIA (Kuala Lumpur International Airport), we are studying the behavioral pattern of all the passengers."

A huge search operation for the plane has been mostly focused on the shallow waters of the Gulf of Thailand off Malaysia's east coast, although the Strait of Malacca has been included since Sunday.

Navy ships, military aircraft, helicopters, coastguard and civilian vessels from 10 nations have criss-crossed the seas off both coasts of Malaysia without success.

The massive search for the plane has drawn in navies, military aircraft, coastguard and civilian vessels from 10 nations.

STOLEN PASSPORTS

The fact that at least two passengers on board had used stolen passports has raised suspicions of foul play. But Southeast Asia is known as a hub for false documents that are also used by smugglers, illegal migrants and asylum seekers.

Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble named the two men as Iranians aged 18 and 29, who had entered Malaysia using their real passports before using the stolen European documents to board the Beijing-bound flight.

"The more information we get, the more we are inclined to conclude it is not a terrorist incident," Noble said.

Malaysian police chief Khalid said the younger man, who he said was 19, appeared to be an illegal immigrant. His mother was waiting for him in Frankfurt and had been in contact with authorities, he said.

"We believe he is not likely to be a member of any terrorist group, and we believe he was trying to migrate to Germany," Khalid said.

Asked if that meant he ruled out a hijack, Khalid said: "(We are giving) same weightage to all (possibilities) until we complete our investigations."

Both men entered Malaysia on Feb 28, at least one from Phuket, in Thailand, eight days before boarding the flight to Beijing, Malaysian immigration chief Aloyah Mamat told the news conference. Both held onward reservations to Western Europe.

Police in Thailand, where the Italian and Austrian passports were stolen and the tickets used by the two men were booked, said they did not think they were linked to the disappearance of the plane.

"We haven't ruled it out, but the weight of evidence we're getting swings against the idea that these men are or were involved in terrorism," Supachai Puikaewcome, chief of police in the Thai resort city of Pattaya, told Reuters.

About two-thirds of the 227 passengers and 12 crew now presumed to have died aboard the plane were Chinese. Other nationalities included 38 Malaysians, seven Indonesians, six Australians, five Indians, four French and three Americans.

China has deployed 10 satellites using high-resolution earth imaging capabilities, visible light imaging and other technologies to "support and assist in the search and rescue operations", the People's Liberation Army Daily said.

The Boeing 777 has one of the best safety records of any commercial aircraft in service. Its only previous fatal crash came on July 6 last year when Asiana Airlines Flight 214 struck a seawall on landing in San Francisco, killing three people.

U.S. planemaker Boeing has declined to comment beyond a brief statement saying it was monitoring the situation.
 

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Wow...500 more km, that means they are not even looking remotely in the right place.
 

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There seems a huge amount of confusion with all sorts of unattributed sources saying "they went thataway."
 

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Conspiracy theories are starting to fill in the gaps. The plane was abducted by aliens. The plane landed safely under radio silence at a secret location.
 

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It obviously crashed somewhere.
 

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Wow...500 more km, that means they are not even looking remotely in the right place.
Wow this story gets weirder and weirder

It's a different world out there and standards are lower. But wow to hear this when the search has been on for so long
 

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Wow this story gets weirder and weirder

It's a different world out there and standards are lower. But wow to hear this when the search has been on for so long
CNN reports that the US Navy was told about it and started to search in the Malaga strait yesterday.
 

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If it went down in the Malacca Strait it will be years before it's found. It's the deepest depth of the world's oceans.

Ben Affleck will make a film about it with Canadian terrorist doing the deed.
 

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The Malacca Strait is one of the busiest shipping routes in the world but not one of the deepest. In fact, it's actually quite shallow.
 

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its very odd that they haven't found the plane yet. You would think with all the high power satellites above spying on everyone, someone knows what happen and where the plane is.
 

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CNN reports that the US Navy was told about it and started to search in the Malaga strait yesterday.
In the direction it was supposedly heading it could have overflown the western end of the Straits of Malacca and then western end of the Island of Sumatra before heading out over the Indian Ocean on roughly a heading for Madagascar.
 

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Is it plausible that the plane could just sink into the
bottom of the ocean without leaving any debris on the
surface?

This is the scenario I have in my mind. The cabin
was depressurized due to mechanical failure. The
plane was guided by auto-pilot when the crew along
with the passengers lost their consciousness. The
plane continue flying until its fuel is exhausted.
I imagine the plane in its final moment was landing
on the surface of the sea like a gliding float plane
instead of nose-diving. I wonder if the impact upon
hitting the ocean might not be strong enough for the
plane to explode. If the plane was more or less intact
or at least it didn't break into small parts it might
be possible for it to vanish without a trace.
 

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Is it plausible that the plane could just sink into the
bottom of the ocean without leaving any debris on the
surface?

This is the scenario I have in my mind. The cabin
was depressurized due to mechanical failure. The
plane was guided by auto-pilot when the crew along
with the passengers lost their consciousness. The
plane continue flying until its fuel is exhausted.
I imagine the plane in its final moment was landing
on the surface of the sea like a gliding float plane
instead of nose-diving.
Remember the plane that landed on the Hudson river? Suppose an electrical failure prevented the plane from communicating, but the pilots had some control. They could have performed a water landing hoping to bail out into life rafts, but instead hit the water at the wrong angle and sunk intact.

What is hard to explain is how they could still control a fly by wire jet but not get any radio communication out. In a situation where the crew was incapacitated there are still automated warnings that should have been broadcast.
 

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In the direction it was supposedly heading it could have overflown the western end of the Straits of Malacca and then western end of the Island of Sumatra before heading out over the Indian Ocean on roughly a heading for Madagascar.
That's what I was thinking. It was at night, so it had to fly by compass/stars and land in Africa, like Somalia, Ethiopia, Yemen.
If the Malaysian military knew this, why make a hundred ships, planes, even Navy's search in the wrong place? Is Malaysia F'd up?

Who could kidnap/sacrifice 229 passengers for a couple of bozos/pilots to land the plane at a secret landing base (or worse)?

Gyaos.
 

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Is it plausible that the plane could just sink into the
bottom of the ocean without leaving any debris on the
surface?

This is the scenario I have in my mind. The cabin
was depressurized due to mechanical failure. The
plane was guided by auto-pilot when the crew along
with the passengers lost their consciousness. The
plane continue flying until its fuel is exhausted.
I imagine the plane in its final moment was landing
on the surface of the sea like a gliding float plane
instead of nose-diving. I wonder if the impact upon
hitting the ocean might not be strong enough for the
plane to explode. If the plane was more or less intact
or at least it didn't break into small parts it might
be possible for it to vanish without a trace.
Believe me, if the engines flamed out at altitude, and it somehow managed to keep the minimum speed (210-230 knots minimum with flaps up), it would not survive the water landing. Someone would have to flare it before touching down. It would likely hit at a high airspeed.

I doubt it was rapid depressurization, despite what CNN says. When it happens, the first thing after putting the oxygen mask on is to get down as fast as possible to denser air. Depressurization doesn't cause the transponder to go off, which happened. Suggests a major loss of electrical power.
 

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That's what I was thinking. It was at night, so it had to fly by compass/stars and land in Africa, like Somalia, Ethiopia, Yemen.
If the Malaysian military knew this, why make a hundred ships, planes, even Navy's search in the wrong place? Is Malaysia F'd up?

Who could kidnap/sacrifice 229 passengers for a couple of bozos/pilots to land the plane at a secret landing base (or worse)?

Gyaos.

Doesn't look like they had enough gas to reach Africa. If they were headed that way, they would find themselves lost and having ditched or crashed in the Indian Ocean.

It may have taken the Malaysian military some time to review the recordings of military air defense radars and correlate that with Air Traffic Control archived data. They would have to find a discrepancy between the primary targets on their radars, and archived Air Traffic Control flight plans and secondary radar traces, that would have been retrieved for that comparison. I don't think that there is any Air Defense Identification Zone that was active, so probably nobody was paying attention to all the commercial metal that was whizzing over those regions at the time of the incident.

If they had continued to fly in that direction, one would think that Indonesian Air Defense or Air Traffic Control primary radar (if they have that) would have picked them up also, over Sumatra.
 

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FAA Warned of 'Cracking and Corrosion' Problem on Boeing 777s
By Alastair Jamieson


A cracking and corrosion problem on Boeing 777s that could lead to the mid-air break-up of the aircraft prompted a warning from air safety regulators weeks before the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, federal records show.

The Federal Aviation Administration ordered checks on hundreds of U.S.-registered 777s after reports of cracking in the fuselage skin underneath a satellite antenna.

In an airworthiness directive, it said the extra checks were needed “to detect and correct cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin, which could lead to rapid decompression and loss of structural integrity of the airplane.”

The directive, first drawn up in September, was approved in February and was due to take effect on April 9.
 
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