Clients Video Taping Escorts when they arrive at Incall

Celticman

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I must be too innocent. This has never crossed my mind.
 

SkyRider

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I mentioned in one of the Rob Ford threads that it is illegal to videotape someone surreptiously, but a member corrected me by saying that people videotape other people using a nanny cam so it must be legal (at least in the U.S.). Of course, in Rob Ford's case, LE arrested his friend for trying to retrieve the video which seems to be ok to surreptiously film someone but not ok to try and retrieve the video. Any lawyers care to comment?

http://nanny-cam-review.toptenreviews.com/nanny-cam-laws-and-ethics-what-you-should-know.html
 

Teal

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If they're really recording me I'd wish they'd give me a copy, for personal use.
 

Dr69

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Its the age old double standard Latika. Guys come completely unglued if there is even the remotest possibility an agency/indy incall is suggested to have hidden cameras to record sessions, but when you raise the issue of guys and cellphones/hidden cameras, well, not really such a big deal. (anyone remember the thread that accused a well know incall agency of not only filming the clients and their girls in the common area, but also audio recording as well? Thought the front door to TERB Inc. would blow right off their hinges in THAT thread)

Fact is, you are not alone. I have spoken to no less that 6 sp's in the last 3 months who have all had similar experiences to yours Latika. One guy was caught via peep-hole as he fumbled with his pen cam in his breast pocket right outside the door before knocking. Others have been caught with their phones in hand, but on silent mode so no camera click can be heard, taking face pics of the girl as they enter the incall, while pretending to be resolving last minute business issues or urgent emails before starting the session.

My only advice is keep your eyes open, and if a client arrives with phone in hand, insist it gets visibly turned off and pocketed or the session is over. Agencies should also remind clients to pocket their phones prior to entering the incall as well. Technology breeds unfortunate new trends it seems. Of course ladies, it goes without saying your phones should also be stowed during the session - but that's yet another long running issue for another day.

Sorry for your troubles! Good on ya' for calling it out!

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Titalian

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So.....

With all this new technology and such, why do "clients," "johns" "tricks" "customers" (whatever term you prefer) feel that it is OKAY to turn on their video camera on their cellphone, slip it in the front pocket of their shirt, and attempt to video tape the escort behind the in call door?

I am not speaking for all clients, but I've caught, on more than one occasion clients attempting to video tape me the moment they walk in the door.

Just as we escorts respect your privacy, please respect ours and DO NOT under any circumstance attempt to video tape your session. It pinches my nerves to know this behaviour from men is occurring.


I can only laugh at this incidents where I've caught clients doing this, but I get nervous thinking of all the times clients have done it and I haven't noticed.


The most ridiculous scenario I had, a gentleman came out of the shower and rested his towel on the dresser, propped his cellphone on it, tilted it towards the bed, and thought that I wouldn't notice. Jesus Murphy, WTF is going on here? LOL



This is interesting, I just posted a comment on privacy. Unfortunately in the industry we are in we
attract or invite a whole slew of different characters. My suggestion to you, is to be more
diligent and proactive in your interview process. In other words ask questions.
I know its not the be all end all, but it will give you a better perspective of what you are dealing with.
The key is to structure your questions around and not directly with
the dilemma your dealing with here, in your post.

Btw: Your pics are awesome. I have to admit, I never noticed you before.
 

shadow9969

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some people are just ridicules. recording without permission is an immature thing to do that shows peoples true colors. damn weasels acting like children..
 

fuji

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The solution for both parties is to have incalls that are only dimly lit. The human eye can adjust and see well in low light, so it doesn't detract much from the session. While there are some cameras that can deal with very low light, they tend to have large lenses and large sensors internally, making them bulky and difficult to conceal.

Video from a dimly lit environment is unlikely to be of high enough quality to positively identify anyone and so mitigates the risk of blackmail, accidental or intentional upload to the internet, or c36 prosecution.
 

shack

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I don't understand what the problem is. What's worth taping between the client and the companion he's hired to chat with for the hour?
 

rob_286

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Whenever I get to an incall and the lady has her laptop open "for playing music," I just assume that her "safety call" is watching by Skype and give a wave to the webcam. She's taking a huge safety risk by meeting a strange dude like me, I can't begrudge a basic safety measure.

I keep searching porn sites for "huge cock" videos and never see my sessions come up, so that proves that providers can be trusted to keep the recordings discreet.
 

GPIDEAL

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The camera doesn't even need to look like camera, or cell phone. This is the one I use... Just kidding. :D



I own a similar one (bought it from a friend who owns a security company) which I got for business/employment security only, but have never used it.

Actually, I researched the use of such devices, and unlike one-on-one only audio recordings, they are illegal to use without notice.
 

GPIDEAL

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I mentioned in one of the Rob Ford threads that it is illegal to videotape someone surreptiously, but a member corrected me by saying that people videotape other people using a nanny cam so it must be legal (at least in the U.S.). Of course, in Rob Ford's case, LE arrested his friend for trying to retrieve the video which seems to be ok to surreptiously film someone but not ok to try and retrieve the video. Any lawyers care to comment?

http://nanny-cam-review.toptenreviews.com/nanny-cam-laws-and-ethics-what-you-should-know.html

It is illegal to videotape without notice or consent (last time I checked).
 

GPIDEAL

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hmmm really? what about webcams on streets? Do all stores inform about security cameras being present? I wonder about this. We need oagre to put us straight ;)
I should've added, where there is a reasonable expectation of privacy and if for the public good, but I will research in cases where there's no nudity involved.

http://yourlaws.ca/criminal-code-canada/162-voyeurism

Read this article quickly, but it's a little dated.

http://videoevidence.ca/pdfs/0719184211.pdf

Video (picture and sound) recordings generally are illegal without consent, when there's a reasonable expectation of privacy. (I can't recall but I thought I read somewhere that micro video cams are illegal if used surreptiously)
 

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It is illegal to videotape without notice or consent (last time I checked).
Not so. Ontario is a "one party consent" jurisdiction. So long as one of the people in a conversation is aware that it is being recorded, the recording is legal. What is not allowed is third party recording - you can't spy on other people with video equipment. But you can record yourself, even if you are interacting with someone else. For example, when I sell a gun online, and the buyer picks up from my home, I do record the whole interaction, just in case. In Ontario that's legal. In some US states, I would have to have told the buyer they were being recorded.

Things get murkier when it comes to a sexual relationship. I think most people would want/assume that recording someone having sex is illegal, even if you are also in the frame. I am not sure what the law is in that case -- it may be illegal, it may be legal, it may be that the courts have never really had to deal with it. You can bet that a judge would take a very dim view and look for ways to crack down on the person making the surreptitious recording -- but whether there's an actual law? I don't know.

But in the normal case you can record yourself interacting with other people without having to inform them. You just can't record third parties without telling them about it. (So you can't record your guest in the bathroom, because you're not there and they didn't consent, etc.)
 

GPIDEAL

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Not so. Ontario is a "one party consent" jurisdiction. So long as one of the people in a conversation is aware that it is being recorded, the recording is legal. What is not allowed is a third party recording a conversation between other people.

I think that when it gets to a sexual relation a whole other set of rules SHOULD come into play, but I don't know if they do -- my bet is that is a fuzzy question not well tested in the courts. The judge will probably look for ways to make life hard for the surreptitious recorder but I don't know if there is a specific law against it, if the person actually recorded themselves with another person.

I know about one-party consent for audio-ONLY recordings (I discovered this when my ex tried to record me while we were in divorce proceedings - then my investigator recorded her accepting an offer of work when she claimed she couldn't), but I think it's different for video recordings.

Yes, the Criminal Code has different rules for nudity, and bars non-consensual voyeurism like Latika described.

But I don't think I can use a pen cam to visually record with sound, say a bully boss, break the law.
 
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