Religious Idiots Against The New Sex Ed. Curriculum

[AdamH]

Okay, but you didnt answer my question. Would you be okay with religion taught in schools to 8-year olds?? A simple yes/no answer please.

And if you say 'no' then please state why not

It depends on whether you're talking about religious studies, or studying a specific religion with the expectation of practicing it..

I don't know how useful religious studies would be to an 8 year old, but I wouldn't object to them on principle.. There's absolutely nothing wrong with an 8 year old learning ABOUT different religions.. It's also quite valuable for a child to know ABOUT his school mate's religions and how their religions may affect their daily lives.. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, we would probably grow up a much more tolerant society if we taught children ABOUT other religions at a very young age.. I'm not sure if this was your goal, but you may be helping me make my point.

If you're asking if I'd be okay with my child studying a specific religion (like Christianity) as a way of life, then I'd say no. Because not everybody is Christian and we shouldn't be teaching all children to follow the Christian way of life. (just as we shouldn't be teaching our kids that homosexuality should be everybody's sexual orientation or "way of life").

In short, should we be teaching our kids about Christians/Muslims/Jews (and teaching them how each religion is beautiful and normal)? Yes

Should we be teaching our kids that they SHOULD BE Christian/Muslim/Jewish? No

 

[AK-47]

^^^^ well thats a good answer.

I suppose I dont have a problem per se with teaching kids to respect people, but why stop at just gays, shouldnt they be taught to respect all people??

And another problem I have is with the age thing. An 8-year old should not be learning anything remotely about sex yet. If you wanna teach kids at an older age that gays can get married I guess thats okay, but I just dont like indoctrination of any sort at an early age. I find it a bit creepy, especially when it concerns little kids.

And like I said earlier, if you Liberals are gonna teach people to respect gays you should teach them to respect all people, including right-wing FoxNews watchers :wink:

 

[GameBoy27]

And another problem I have is with the age thing. An 8-year old should not be learning anything remotely about sex yet. If you wanna teach kids at an older age that gays can get married I guess thats okay, but I just dont like indoctrination of any sort at an early age. I find it a bit creepy, especially when it concerns little kids.

I don't think telling 8-9 years old kids about same sex relationships is such a bad thing. They're certainly old enough to be aware of kids with two moms or two dads. It's about discussion and answering any questions they may have.

I know I started masturbating at that age or earlier. I've been over at a friend's house when her 9 year old would lay face down on the carpet with her hands on her crotch. Her mom would tell her while it's not bad to do that, she should go to the privacy of her room. You're naive if you think kids that age aren't aware of their bodies, which is why it can't hurt to start teaching them about things they're feeling and addressing any concerns they have.

 

[nobody123]

Some things are clearly opinions: whether same sex relationships are "normal" or "right" (whatever that means, because that depends on what your definition of "normal" or "right" is), whether sexual activity by minors is accelerated or forestalled (or neither) by early sex education, whether sex education has any impact on schoolyard teasing or bullying around sex or sexual orientation issues, etc.

Not so clearly. The idea that thorough and quality sex education leads to reduced STIs, teen pregnancies, and reduces bullying/suicide over sexual orientation is pretty much a documented fact at this point. These results are measurable and quantifiable, and there have been countless studies showing that as education about these matters increases, the negatives mentioned decrease. Yes yes, I know, correlation does not equal causation. But hella lotta studies with consistent results equals pretty fucking compelling evidence that it is actually the case.

 

[whitewaterguy]

*facepalm*

. Schools should be about teaching sciences, math, history....etc.

Schools are not social engineering experiments.

Interesting....so If a student decides to kill himself, and all the other kids are having a hard time dealing with it, you would propose the school not get involved in working things through with,and supporting the classmates, cuz it isn't science or math?

No breakfast clubs?

No youth workers to help kids with totally fucked up parents at home, or trying to cope with their new foster parents?

No drop in rooms for marginally academic kids at risk of leaving school all together?

No supports for immigrant kids who are struggling to adapt?

Just March on with the three R's??

 

[basketcase]

... What's wrong with an 8 year old understanding that it's normal that his friend might have two Dads?? What's wrong with a 9 year old understanding that the little hairs he's growing (or will be growing within the next year or so) are perfectly normal?

I dont want my child exposed to that stuff at that age.

I'm sorry you dont like that, but its my child and you're not gonna indoctrinate them according to your beliefs

Exactly why we need schools teaching sex ed.

 

[basketcase]

... I am surprised that Grade 3 kids would be aware of same sex couples and question it. ....

If they're exposed to it they're going to ask. My 5 year old nephew asked why his friend has two moms.

 

[basketcase]

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EDIT: actually they cant pull them out of all classes, just some

Actually parents can pull kids out of any class at any time. The most the school can do is assign work for the time they miss and if they don't do it, it doesn't matter since elementary schools can't fail them.

 

[basketcase]

No, because if a person has religious objections to gay people then they should still be allowed to protest. Whether you agree with them or not isnt the issue. Also calling them "idiots" proves your own hypocrisy, because Lefties like you always preach that name-calling people (like calling gays faggots for example) is wrong, so you should practice what you preach.

Oh and BTW, I'm not religious myself in case you were gonna go down that road

They're allowed to protest the Charter of Rights as well. Doesn't mean they can ignore it.

 

[basketcase]

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Some things are clearly opinions: whether same sex relationships are "normal" or "right" ...

The Charter of Rights describes some of your opinions as the core 'opinions' of our country.

 

[basketcase]

Hey Adam, would you be okay if I wanted schools to start teaching religion to kids?? Because Christians around the world are being persecuted as well, just as gays are in some countries

Kids are taught about different religions and different cultures at public schools.

 

[TeeJay]

I don't understand the argument that parents get to decide what their kids are taught in schools. The world does not revolve around shallow minds and outdated religious ideology.

Your post sounds even more insane since there are certainly many non-religous types against it as well

Here's an idea, schools are meant to teach important things and special interest groups (whether religion or sex ed) should not be a part of it

 

[TeeJay]

... What's wrong with an 8 year old understanding that it's normal that his friend might have two Dads?? What's wrong with a 9 year old understanding that the little hairs he's growing (or will be growing within the next year or so) are perfectly normal?

Kids are confused enough about who they are at that age
Only a complete idiot could think subjects like homosexuality, transgender, or sexting are things they need to know about

 

[TeeJay]

Exactly! When you have cases of kids committing suicide because nude pics of them went viral, it's a topic worth being taught in school!

Really? Name one?

 

[Calgacus]

Really? Name one?

Amanda Todd

 

[TeeJay]

In Grade 2, students will learn about bodily changes and development, verbal and physical violence, and the concept that “no means no.”

WTF??? Why would a gr2 student need to learn about rejecting sexual advances???

Grade 3 students will learn about same-sex relationships

Never. If parents are against this all you are doing is setting kids up for confrontation. Leave this out period.

Students in Grade 6 will learn about “gender expression.”

Fuck no. I would go so far as to pull my kid out of the class. At best this is a mental defect.

In Grades 7-8, students will learn about the dangers of “sexting.”

Very dumb to give the kids the idea, not everyone will take nudes of themselves unless very low self esteem. This is better talked with a guidance counselor.

They will also discuss anal and oral sex

Why?

Grades 9-10
Teaching materials on mental health, previously relegated to older grades, will be introduced in Grade 9. Grade 9 students will also explore gender identity, sexual orientation and the resources available for support.

Although I agree with grouping gender identity as a mental health issue, again it is way too early (and unnecessary)

Grades 11-12
They will also learn about reducing the stigma around mental illness

Curious why so much issue with mental health?

 

[TeeJay]

Amanda Todd

Try again
The age range for the discussion as per new curriculum is 13 or under

 

[Calgacus]

Try again
The age range for the discussion as per new curriculum is 13 or under

How old do you think she was when she sent the photo to the perv that shared that pic? She was in Grade 7. That's 12 or 13 for most although I suspect you were older

 

[TeeJay]

How old do you think she was when she sent the photo to the perv that shared that pic? She was in Grade 7. That's 12 or 13 for most although I suspect you were older

Either way (even assuming you believe AT, she was seriously damaged goods long before her suicide) if it makes you feel better:
No normal person would be doing something like that at that age
Maybe your wack job kids need help at home not the school level

 

[Bud Plug]

The Charter of Rights describes some of your opinions as the core 'opinions' of our country.

You have incorrectly defined the function of the Charter. The Charter of Rights ensures legal rights. It does not define anyone's morality or personal beliefs. It is also a "living document". The laws that are justifiable in a free and democratic society are continuously redefined as that society develops, just as they have through the relatively recent process of defining more legal rights in relation to sexual orientation, etc.