4th Circuit appeals court refuses to reinstate Trump's travel ban

[Butler1000]

Hilarious, you can't aquit yourself of your reprehensible prejudices with this "Islam is not a race". You realize you're just punching yourself in the face?

Would it be the same if Scientologists were running around beheading Psychiatrists and blowing up Pharmaceutical businesses? How about if the Moonies did it?

The FBI had no issues in killing every man woman and child at Waco did they? I guess it isn't what they believe but how big they are.

It isn't prejudice to criticize the dogma of a cultish religion that condones and encourages violence in its writings. And continues to spread it. It isnt racist to state a belief system that prescribes specific spiritual, legal and social customs and tenets that are misogynist and homophobic as wrong.

It isn't wrong to say a belief system which demands at its core "Slavery" to it as against everything a Capitalist Liberal Democracy stands for.

And that is the truth.

 

[fuji]

Would it be the same if Scientologists were running around beheading Psychiatrists and blowing up Pharmaceutical businesses? How about if the Moonies did it?

The FBI had no issues in killing every man woman and child at Waco did they? I guess it isn't what they believe but how big they are.

It isn't prejudice to criticize the dogma of a cultish religion that condones and encourages violence in its writings. And continues to spread it. It isnt racist to state a belief system that prescribes specific spiritual, legal and social customs and tenets that are misogynist and homophobic as wrong.

It isn't wrong to say a belief system which demands at its core "Slavery" to it as against everything a Capitalist Liberal Democracy stands for.

And that is the truth.

Yes your anti Muslim prejudices are reprehensible and that makes you a racist. Islam is a major world religion. You should be and will be ashamed.

 

[fuji]

It's not based on religion. Show me where on the face of the EO that mentions religion once, then you may have a point.

I gave you the link to the whole 4th circuit court of appeal argument, I've listened to it in full about 3 times, it's 2 hours long, have you even listened to the arguments once? Or the questions from those Judges?! Yes you hear Judges too lol. Here is it again, I urge you to listen to it, at least once. LISTEN: 4th Circuit Court of Appeals hears case on travel ban

You want to hear from the judges, here you go! These are their statements AFTER this hearing.

Each of the three dissenting Judges filed separate dissenting opinions and joined in each others’. Judge Paul Niemeyer, relying on precedent that holds that the foreign affairs context in which the executive order operates is the apex of executive power, chatised the majority for its refusal to limit its inquiry to the text of the order itself:

"In looking behind the face of the government’s action for facts to show the alleged bad faith, rather than looking for bad faith on the face of the executive action itself, the majority grants itself the power to conduct an extratextual search for evidence suggesting bad faith, which is exactly what three Supreme Court opinions have prohibited."​

Do you think the law limiting voting rights to people who had educations was based on race
The courts did.

 

[SuperCharge]

Do you think the law limiting voting rights to people who had educations was based on race
The courts did.

That's for another topic for another day. 63 Million ppl voted for Trump to protect the nation.

 

[fuji]

That's for another topic for another day. 63 Million ppl voted for Trump to protect the nation.

No, that's a precedent, the answer is that the SC looked at the statements made promoting the law (yes by elected officials) and concluded it was about race even though the law said nothing about race.

You keep insisting that we only look at the face of the order but the courts have ALWAYS insisted on looking at the public statements too.

 

[metal_aug]

If we ban all muslims, sure we keep the good ones out, but who gives a shit, it's more important that we keep the bad ones out.

As for refugees, we should just completely defund resettlement programs and organizations, et voila

 

[oldjones]

That's for another topic for another day. [Anyways, only] 63 Million ppl voted for Trump to protect the nation.

I fixed your post, since you seemed to have forgotten 73 million voted for anyone but Trump to do that. And since you're quoting the people's preference, it was that 66 million (three million more than wanted him) preferred the woman who was formerly Secretary of State to protect the nation.

Your claim is only true if you change it to 'a majority of states Electors voted for Trump etc.' Three hundred and some wasn't it?

 

[fuji]

If we ban all muslims, sure we keep the good ones out, but who gives a shit, it's more important that we keep the bad ones out.

As for refugees, we should just completely defund resettlement programs and organizations, et voila

I give a shit. We stand for something, openness, democracy, equality. I care about that.

 

[metal_aug]

Caring for others is weakness. The pursuit of one's own happiness is the ultimate morality
-Ayn Rand

 

[FAST]

I give a shit. We stand for something, openness, democracy, equality. I care about that.

Unfortunately too many care more about following their religion,...than others,...

 

[metal_aug]

I'm an atheist and have no problem with any race or religion as long as they are peaceful and don't cost me money. But I will not fight for them if they are oppressed, especially if oppressing them keeps their bad elements (terrorists and the poor) the fuck out.

 

[fuji]

I'm an atheist and have no problem with any race or religion as long as they are peaceful and don't cost me money. But I will not fight for them if they are oppressed, especially if oppressing them keeps their bad elements (terrorists and the poor) the fuck out.

Historically athiests have been much more murderous than other religions. Maybe we should arrest all atheists.

 

[oldjones]

I'm an atheist and have no problem with any race or religion as long as they are peaceful and don't cost me money. But I will not fight for them if they are oppressed, especially if oppressing them keeps their bad elements (terrorists and the poor) the fuck out.

So far oppressing Muslims has meant more of them fleeing and seeking refuge than any other people in any other period in modern history. Which means way more 'sheep' for the 'wolves' to hide amongst.

Not to mention what happens when the sheep find their 'refuge' can be as oppressive as the places they fled.

 

[FAST]

Historically athiests have been much more murderous than other religions. Maybe we should arrest all atheists.

That's ridiculous fuji,...let alone racist,...

So that would be mostly the communist Chinese,...and the odd Nazi,...

And by the way,...atheism is NOT a religion,...

 

[metal_aug]

So far oppressing Muslims has meant more of them fleeing and seeking refuge than any other people in any other period in modern history. Which means way more 'sheep' for the 'wolves' to hide amongst.

Not to mention what happens when the sheep find their 'refuge' can be as oppressive as the places they fled.

A travel ban on Muslim countries and a total refugee resettlement shutdown is an oppression that will force them to stay where they are. If they die there who gives a shit, if they become terrorists and kill people over there who gives a shit, if they try to sneak in and do shit over here we kill them, if the "good" ones already here get mad about what we're doing to their brethren and try to raise shit, we deport or kill based on severity

 

[fuji]

That's ridiculous fuji,...let alone racist,...

So that would be mostly the communist Chinese,...and the odd Nazi,...

And by the way,...atheism is NOT a religion,...

Pol Pot, Stalinist purges, the Great Leap Forward. Lots of death inflicted by athiest extremists.

 

[FAST]

The new age of holy wars,...

Pol Pot, Stalinist purges, the Great Leap Forward. Lots of death inflicted by athiest extremists.

So now communism is a religion,...???

Or is it a race,...hard to keep up,...!!!

And,..."athiest extremists",...that has to be one of the most ridiculous, discombobulated constructs,... you have ever come up with,..."some one who doesn't believe in some thing extremist",... :biggrin-new:

 

[fuji]

So now communism is a religion,...???

Or is it a race,...hard to keep up,...!!!

And,..."athiest extremists",...that has to be one of the most ridiculous, discombobulated constructs,... you have ever come up with,..."some one who doesn't believe in some thing extremist",... :biggrin-new:

Athiesm was the state religion under communism and those athiest extremists killed a lot of people saying it was good for progress to stamp out other religions through mass murder.

"Religion is poison" was their bloodthirsty cheer. (Athiest bigots believe their religion is so superior to other religions that it isn't even a religion).

 

[FAST]

Athiesm was the state religion under communism and those athiest extremists killed a lot of people saying it was good for progress to stamp out other religions through mass murder.

"Religion is poison" was their bloodthirsty cheer. (Athiest bigots believe their religion is so superior to other religions that it isn't even a religion).

Communism is NOT a religion,...it is a system of government,...no different than other forms of government,...and both attempt to stamp out the other.

And as far as your ridiculous squirm,... "athiest bigots",...that would have to mean that EVERY religion and EVERY follower of every religion is a BIGOT.

 

[fuji]

Communism is NOT a religion,...it is a system of government,...no different than other forms of government,...and both attempt to stamp out the other.

And as far as your ridiculous squirm,... "athiest bigots",...that would have to mean that EVERY religion and EVERY follower of every religion is a BIGOT.

Athiesm is a religion. There's no proof for the things athiests believe. And it is a religion whose extremists killed millions and millions of people trying to stamp out other religions through murder.