Sealed Indictment - Who Do You Think Got Charged?

[jcpro]

Yesh.

Sara Huckster Sanders characterized Mr. Greek as a very minor, unpaid volunteer at the very periphery of the campaign for only a very short period of time.

The Trump administration has also stated that about Paul Manafort on numerous occasions too, so keep on dreaming.

Btw, what is Trump going to say about Donny Jr. and son-in-law Jared Kushner when they will be eventually indicted too?

"Donny Jr., who's he? Jared, what Ivanka going married?"

Unfortunately, for the TDS types, Mr. Greek was that insignificant. However, the July 27 arrest and only a recent revelation means that he was probably a proactive witness. He probably tried or did entrap someone else since the Manafort indictment is of no use in the collusion case.

 

[Anbarandy]

Manafort was released with a $10million surety and upon condition of house arrest and seizure of passport.

Gates $5milliom surety, house arrest and seizure of passport.

Both were involved in the email chain with Papadopoulos regarding meeting with Russians about 'dirt' on HRC.

Both, but especially Manafort are facing serious charges and serious time.

Both especially Manafort have not been indicted yet with charges relating to collusion.

Both especially Manafort NOW have very serious incentives to finally fully and truthfully cooperate with the Special Counsel to bring down Trump and his associates.

I hear nothing but 'hang dog' whimpering from the 'jail the bitch' gang.

 

[Butler1000]

Manafort was released with a $10million surety and upon condition of house arrest and seizure of passport.

Gates $5milliom surety, house arrest and seizure of passport.

Both were involved in the email chain with Papadopoulos regarding meeting with Russians about 'dirt' on HRC.

Both, but especially Manafort are facing serious charges and serious time.

Both especially Manafort have not been indicted yet with charges relating to collusion.

Both especially Manafort NOW have very serious incentives to finally fully and truthfully cooperate with the Special Counsel to bring down Trump and his associates.

I hear but silence from the 'jail the bitch' gang.

Nah I'm here. And as they say it ain't over yet. Podesta group is coming under scrutiny.

In earlier posts I've discussed the Washington Lobby Swamp and how the are responsible for a lot of corruption. Manafort was a king snake and I'm glad he is getting his. And anyone who ride along as well.

Podesta group may well be on that list.

As I've said before. Unless there is a direct communication smoking gun this will not reach the White House.

And as Manafort Flipping watch as the justice system works. He will end up with fines and a year in a country club. Without having to give up anything.

 

[james t kirk]

It's interesting, but Obama was president for 8 years and not a single scandal.

Fuck head is president for 10 months and it's been one after the other.

 

[Frankfooter]

Nah I'm here. And as they say it ain't over yet. Podesta group is coming under scrutiny.

In earlier posts I've discussed the Washington Lobby Swamp and how the are responsible for a lot of corruption. Manafort was a king snake and I'm glad he is getting his. And anyone who ride along as well.

Podesta group may well be on that list.

As I've said before. Unless there is a direct communication smoking gun this will not reach the White House.

And as Manafort Flipping watch as the justice system works. He will end up with fines and a year in a country club. Without having to give up anything.

Gates is old and facing jail.
He'll be the target to turn for Mueller.

Papadopolous was arrested in July and his arrest was held secret.
That's pretty outstanding.

Papadopoulous also was arrested for lying about trying to set up a meeting between Trump and the Russians, about the 'thousands of Clinton emails' the Russians said they had. This was before wikileaks and before any Clinton emails were leaked.

That's pretty damning.

Amid a flurry of new developments in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, there’s one revelation that’s particularly dramatic.

That is: A low-level Trump adviser was told as early as April 2016 that the Russians had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton, in the form of “thousands of emails.”

It’s a potentially crucial new piece of information that raises even more questions about just what, exactly, the Trump campaign knew about the Russian effort to hack and release leading Democrats’ emails — and whether they had collaborated with or advised that effort in any way.

The Trump adviser in question is George Papadopoulos — a foreign policy adviser to the campaign who, it was revealed in a document unsealed Monday, had been arrested back in July for making false statements to the FBI, and now appears to have made a deal to cooperate with Mueller’s probe into Russian interference.

Papadopoulos now admits to various contacts with Russians during his tenure as a Trump adviser in 2016, but the most eyebrow-raising revelation relates to a conversation he had with someone, identified as “the Professor” in the charging document, who he knew had connections to the Russian government. This professor (identified as Joseph Mifsud by the Washington Post) told Papadopoulos that the Russians had “dirt” on Clinton, that “the Russians had emails of Clinton,” and that “they have thousands of emails.”


This charging document then goes on to describe, at length, Papadopoulos’s contacts with other campaign officials as he labored unsuccessfully to try to set up a trip to Russia for the candidate.

But aside from this mention, the document remains conspicuously silent about the obvious question of whether Papadopoulos told other Trump campaign advisers what he had heard about that Clinton email “dirt.”

That’s an enormously important question — and the answer to it could be crucial to the investigation.

Could it all, in the end, come back to emails?
Questions about Trump, Russia, and the 2016 campaign are often framed in terms of whether there was “collusion.” But in addition to not actually being a legal term, collusion is also a rather vague term.

Some people, for instance, argued that the meeting between Donald Trump Jr., Manafort, and a Russian lawyer in July was proof of collusion. After all, the lawyer was said to be working with the Russian government, and to have negative information on Hillary Clinton. And they did have that meeting, so, some say, isn’t that collusion?

But so far, it hasn’t been shown that that meeting actually resulted in anything significant. All parties involved are claiming that it was brief and uneventful — one of many quick things in a rapid-fire campaign — and so far, no one has come up with any information to prove differently.

For this scandal to truly shake up the political status quo and put the Trump presidency at risk, there would have to be evidence of something much more damning and concrete.

And it’s always seemed that one possibility for that damning and concrete thing would be the email hacks.

The Russia-linked hacks and leaking of prominent Democrats’ emails, most notably the Democratic National Committee (whose emails were leaked online in July 2016) and Clinton campaign chair John Podesta (whose emails were posted by WikiLeaks in the final weeks of the election), is something that was not only scandalous but also illegal.

And if the Trump campaign or Trump associates did know of or were involved in those hackings and leaks in any way — something they’ve denied — it would elevate this scandal to an entirely new level.

Whom did Papadopoulos tell about this Russian “dirt” on Clinton?
Now comes the news that Papadopoulos heard as far back as April 2016, from a source with connections to the Russian government, that the Trump campaign had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.”

Overall, the charging document portrays Papadopoulos as determined to ingratiate himself with the Trump campaign, bragging repeatedly about his contacts with Russians. So it certainly seems implausible that he’d keep this potentially important news — that the Russians had thousands of Clinton-related emails! — to himself.

And that presents the possibility that top Trump advisers were informed about the matter long before the email leaks started spilling out in the summer of 2016.

For now, this is only a possibility. It is also possible that Papadopoulos said nothing, or that his attempts to tell Trump advisers about this were ignored. It is also possible that the information was passed on, but in a vague or nonspecific form, and no follow-up ensued. (After all, some in the Trump campaign seem to have been under the impression that the emails the Russians had were Clinton’s deleted personal emails, which does not seem to have been the case.)

However, a tip-off to the Trump campaign would certainly shed more light on why Trump oddly called on Russia to release Clinton’s emails during a July 27, 2016, press conference. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re about to find the 30,000 [Hillary Clinton] emails that are missing,” he said. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let's see if that happens. That will be next.” (Curiously, he then didn’t hold another press conference for the rest of the campaign.)

Furthermore, Mueller has managed to keep this Papadopoulos news under wraps for some time — the arrest was back in July and only made public on Monday, after Manafort and Gates were indicted. And Papadopoulos appears to have made a plea deal including some cooperation. Much could hinge on what he says.

https://www.vox.com/2017/10/30/16571462/george-papadopoulos-clinton-emails

 

[jcpro]

Manafort was released with a $10million surety and upon condition of house arrest and seizure of passport.

Gates $5milliom surety, house arrest and seizure of passport.

Both were involved in the email chain with Papadopoulos regarding meeting with Russians about 'dirt' on HRC.

Both, but especially Manafort are facing serious charges and serious time.

Both especially Manafort have not been indicted yet with charges relating to collusion.

Both especially Manafort NOW have very serious incentives to finally fully and truthfully cooperate with the Special Counsel to bring down Trump and his associates.

I hear but 'hang dog' whimpering from the 'jail the bitch' gang.

LOL! You people are so naive. If there was collusion, it would be in the indictment. They're throwing everything, and a kitchen sink at him, in hope of squeezing him. Except, that there's nothing there or else it would have been out long time ago. Mueller has two main problems. Unfriendly Congress and a threat of the Presidential Pardon- which makes his pressure on Manafort laughable. And, Manafort is a pretty decent lawyer surrounded by more very good lawyers and with some serious financial means . Not to mention connected to the Republican and Democrat power brokers. Anybody who thinks this will be a cake walk for Mueller is dreaming in Technicolor.

 

[bver_hunter]

It's interesting, but Obama was president for 8 years and not a single scandal.

Fuck head is president for 10 months and it's been one after the other.

Yet the right wingers on this board are claiming that Obama will be proven to be the most corrupt US President.
Obama is the most honest President that saved the USA economy from going into a deep depression.
Trump on the other hand called George Papadoupolous an "excellent man". A man who is a big liar like Trump himself and was even appointed as a security advisor by Trump.

 

[Butler1000]

Gates is old and facing jail.
He'll be the target to turn for Mueller.

Papadopolous was arrested in July and his arrest was held secret.
That's pretty outstanding.

Papadopoulous also was arrested for lying about trying to set up a meeting between Trump and the Russians, about the 'thousands of Clinton emails' the Russians said they had. This was before wikileaks and before any Clinton emails were leaked.

That's pretty damning.


https://www.vox.com/2017/10/30/16571462/george-papadopoulos-clinton-emails

Gates is 45. It's Manafort that is 68

 

[Butler1000]

Yet the right wingers on this board are claiming that Obama will be proven to be the most corrupt US President.
Obama is the most honest President that saved the USA economy from going into a deep depression.
Trump on the other hand called George Papadoupolous an "excellent man". A man who is a big liar like Trump himself and was even appointed as a security advisor by Trump.

Nah. I doubt much will touch him. I few lingering issues about Clinton when she was at State but that's it.

 

[jcpro]

Yet the right wingers on this board are claiming that Obama will be proven to be the most corrupt US President.
Obama is the most honest President that saved the USA economy from going into a deep depression.
Trump on the other hand called George Papadoupolous an "excellent man". A man who is a big liar like Trump himself and was even appointed as a security advisor by Trump.

yes, to criticize Obama would be racist. The media still have sore jaws from perpetually sucking his dick. They couldn't even bring themselves to point out bald face lies like Benghazi was caused by some YouTube video or "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor". But Trump? Trump gets 97% negative coverage and the media doesn't even bother to hide their naked bias.

 

[Frankfooter]

LOL! You people are so naive. If there was collusion, it would be in the indictment. They're throwing everything, and a kitchen sink at him, in hope of squeezing him. Except, that there's nothing there or else it would have been out long time ago. Mueller has two main problems. Unfriendly Congress and a threat of the Presidential Pardon- which makes his pressure on Manafort laughable. And, Manafort is a pretty decent lawyer surrounded by more very good lawyers and with some serious financial means . Not to mention connected to the Republican and Democrat power brokers. Anybody who thinks this will be a cake walk for Mueller is dreaming in Technicolor.

There are apparently 4 more indictments already on the books.

Its also early in this investigation.

There's also this:

According to Papadopoulos’ plea agreement, he was arrested on 27 July and signed his deal with the feds on 5 October.

Until today, the court had sealed the files related to the case. There are many reasons why a court might elect to do this, but this would be the major one:

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Papadopoulos is described as "proactive cooperator." Former prosecutor tells me that sometimes means "wore a wire." https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/925027248863883264 …

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...iry-paul-manafort-robert-mueller-live-updates

 

[basketcase]

...r "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor". But Trump? ...

Yes, Trump said exactly that while helping make sure millions had no doctor.

 

[Butler1000]

Looks like Manafort and Gates are planning to go to trial. Date looking to be around spring early summer next year.

Anyone still think they will turn?

 

[bver_hunter]

yes, to criticize Obama would be racist. The media still have sore jaws from perpetually sucking his dick. They couldn't even bring themselves to point out bald face lies like Benghazi was caused by some YouTube video or "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor". But Trump? Trump gets 97% negative coverage and the media doesn't even bother to hide their naked bias.

Yes, Obama is to blame for Benghazi as he did not fly out there and rescue those Americans by himself. A few Americans including the Ambassador was killed which is sad indeed. But, taking out Osama Bin Laden, under his leadership is not mentioned. We have the four soldiers killed in Niger, and one whose body was recovered almost 48 hours later. Yet no explanation from the Whitehouse as to the exact role of the soldiers and the delay to announce the exact circumstances of their deaths. Do not forget that thousands of Americans were killed under the false pretext of taking out the weapons of mass destruction and crippling the American economy in the bargain and creating the whole mess in the Middle East. Yet very little of that whole mess is ever touched on by the alt right media. We have a long way to go in this whole investigation that seems to ruffle the feathers of the tweeter moron called the Trump dickhead.

By the way 500,000 new jobs were created by the Affordable Healthcare Act. Something that the alt right press will not reveal to their base. Trump has not even come up with one major piece of legislation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/23/500...lth-sector-under-obamacare-goldman-sachs.html

 

[bver_hunter]

Looks like Manafort and Gates are planning to go to trial. Date looking to be around spring early summer next year.

Anyone still think they will turn?

Travelling under different names and holding multiple fake passports is a crime. Still have to get to the bottom of why they did it, where they travelled to, and who did they meet up with under false ids. Another example of draining the swamp into the Whitehouse.

 

[Frankfooter]

Looks like Manafort and Gates are planning to go to trial. Date looking to be around spring early summer next year.

Anyone still think they will turn?

May 7, 2018.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/03/paul-manafort-rick-gates-trial-date-7-may

Who knows.
Manafort had 3 passports and probably hid his money well.
Apparently some of it was hidden in Cyprus, in dealings with connections to Russian mobster Semion Mogilevich.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-reveals-new-manafort-link-to-organized-crime
Cyprus just handed Mueller his bank records there, 15 accounts, from requests made in June.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-give-manafort-s-bank-records-to-mueller-team

Whether or not he turns depends on whether Mueller lays more charges as the investigation turns, or finds more evidence.

 

[Butler1000]

Travelling under different names and holding multiple fake passports is a crime. Still have to get to the bottom of why they did it, where they travelled to, and who did they meet up with under false ids. Another example of draining the swamp into the Whitehouse.

All the passports were under his name. Just for clarification. He used pseudo names I'm assuming when checking into hotels etc.

And that has nothing to do with my point. He won t turn. It's not in his best interest to do so.

 

[Butler1000]

May 7, 2018.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/03/paul-manafort-rick-gates-trial-date-7-may

Who knows.
Manafort had 3 passports and probably hid his money well.
Apparently some of it was hidden in Cyprus, in dealings with connections to Russian mobster Semion Mogilevich.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-reveals-new-manafort-link-to-organized-crime
Cyprus just handed Mueller his bank records there, 15 accounts, from requests made in June.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-give-manafort-s-bank-records-to-mueller-team

Whether or not he turns depends on whether Mueller lays more charges as the investigation turns, or finds more evidence.

He won't turn.

 

[bver_hunter]

All the passports were under his name. Just for clarification. He used pseudo names I'm assuming when checking into hotels etc.

And that has nothing to do with my point. He won t turn. It's not in his best interest to do so.

Yes, they travelled under multiple passports that they applied for. However, they possessed phones under fake names clearly using them for underhand deals. They opened and closed multiple bank accounts, no doubt part of their money laundering schemes.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/politics/manafort-3-passports/index.html

 

[Butler1000]

Yes, they travelled under multiple passports that they applied for. However, they possessed phones under fake names clearly using them for underhand deals. They opened and closed multiple bank accounts, no doubt part of their money laundering schemes.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/politics/manafort-3-passports/index.html

Totally. He is a snake. But none of it is illegal.

He is in quite enough trouble as it is. No need to make up stuff. But white collar shit gets pled down all the time.

He will do time. Whether or not he gets a pardon will depend on a lot.

But as I said earlier even if there is evidence of collusion he won't cross Putin. That's his life if he does.