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The Oracle

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Violent crime rates and (lack of) diversity have little to no correlation. The reduction in violent crime rates is mainly due to more effective policing. Unfortunately we went away from effective policing when idiot Tory was elected in 2015 and guess what - we've seen homicide rates spike back to 1990's levels.
I'd like too see a ten year or so study done on the recent unvetted wave of immigrants and their crime rates vs the crime rates before their arrival.

Maybe settle this issue one way or another. I'm okay if it shows that new immigrants in the Trudeau era did not produce a statistical jump.

Of course the left would fight this tooth and nail.
 

basketcase

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@Charlemagne. From one of the links you posted.

However, in 2018, Toronto had the highest homicide rate among major Canadian cities.. Toronto's homicide in 2018 was a record high, at a rate of 3.11 per 100,000 people.....
Sadly the data the article you read used doesn't seem to match other data for 2018. Plenty of less diverse cities are well ahead of us. For example, Thunder Bay was at 6.91/100,000, Medicine Hat at 6.16, Edmonton at 3.92, Regina 3.58, Saskatoon 3.38, Winnipeg 3.26, ...

It also lists Toronto at 2.57/100,000 as reported by TPS.
https://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most-dangerous-places/
 

kugel2

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It has been reported in the Toronto media that the shooting was spawned by a challenge issued in a rap music video that was previously filmed at the same location, and the original subjects of that video were in the park again when the shooting happened. Anyone here think its legal gun owning opera fans that spewed out the bullets?
 

sweetiepieexo

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It is unfortunate this is happening in our city. However this was a targeted shooting. The kid (s) who got shot and killed were shooting a music video in an area that they weren't even from. Nowadays if you go to an area where you are not from & start claiming to be from there then people will cause problems with you. They are saying that the kids filmed a music video and then came back to shoot another one . During the second video seven suspects opened fire & injured five and killed one.

Personally I think canadas gun laws are pretty strict . However the kids getting these illegal firearms are getting them from 1.) across the border & 2.) from dirty legal firearms owners ( people with a firearms license who sells legal firearms to thugs/ gangs ). It does happen and tbh I don't really know how they are going to get rid of this problem.

I am sorry this happened to the 17 year and I think the only way to get rid of this problem is to ban anyone from having a gun and putting more police onto city streets.
 

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It is unfortunate this is happening in our city. However this was a targeted shooting. The kid (s) who got shot and killed were shooting a music video in an area that they weren't even from. Nowadays if you go to an area where you are not from & start claiming to be from there then people will cause problems with you. They are saying that the kids filmed a music video and then came back to shoot another one . During the second video seven suspects opened fire & injured five and killed one.

Personally I think canadas gun laws are pretty strict . However the kids getting these illegal firearms are getting them from 1.) across the border & 2.) from dirty legal firearms owners ( people with a firearms license who sells legal firearms to thugs/ gangs ). It does happen and tbh I don't really know how they are going to get rid of this problem.

I am sorry this happened to the 17 year and I think the only way to get rid of this problem is to ban anyone from having a gun and putting more police onto city streets.
How does banning anyone from having a gun solve anything when it is most likely that those doing the shooting were not supposed to have guns legally in the first place. You really think that a ban would stop them?

It has also been reported that none of those shot were the intended targets although seven people firing more than 100 rounds are pretty inept if they only shot six people who were just innocent bystanders.
 

HEYHEY

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It is unfortunate this is happening in our city. However this was a targeted shooting. The kid (s) who got shot and killed were shooting a music video in an area that they weren't even from. Nowadays if you go to an area where you are not from & start claiming to be from there then people will cause problems with you. They are saying that the kids filmed a music video and then came back to shoot another one . During the second video seven suspects opened fire & injured five and killed one.

Personally I think canadas gun laws are pretty strict . However the kids getting these illegal firearms are getting them from 1.) across the border & 2.) from dirty legal firearms owners ( people with a firearms license who sells legal firearms to thugs/ gangs ). It does happen and tbh I don't really know how they are going to get rid of this problem.

I am sorry this happened to the 17 year and I think the only way to get rid of this problem is to ban anyone from having a gun and putting more police onto city streets.
The people doing the shooting have already been banned from owning firearms. I can guarantee you not one of the guns used in the shooting was purchased legally by the shooter.

The shooters broke another 6-8 laws in the commission of this crime yet another prohibition is gonna solve this?

There should be an IQ test and the score should be posted under everyone's name online, be it forums, Facebook etc
 

TheDr

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The people doing the shooting have already been banned from owning firearms. I can guarantee you not one of the guns used in the shooting was purchased legally by the shooter.

The shooters broke another 6-8 laws in the commission of this crime yet another prohibition is gonna solve this?

There should be an IQ test and the score should be posted under everyone's name online, be it forums, Facebook etc
As a legal firearms owner I, as do all PAL holders, am subject to daily CPIC checks by the RCMP to see if we have come onto the police radar at any point. If I have and they deem it necessary the RCMP will be knocking on my door asking me if I have time to talk about Jesus... I have even heard of spot inspections with 24 hours notice based on social media posts.. Naturally a law abiding citizen has nothing to fear and the officers that work for the CFOs are pretty decent people, they don't want to close ranges or take legitimate firearms away. They are enthusiasts too and on a pretty cushy duty....

Now, a criminal convicted of firearms offences and banned from owning firearms how many checks and balances do they go through. None at all.... Now where is the problem in the system?
 

sweetiepieexo

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How does banning anyone from having a gun solve anything when it is most likely that those doing the shooting were not supposed to have guns legally in the first place. You really think that a ban would stop them?

It has also been reported that none of those shot were the intended targets although seven people firing more than 100 rounds are pretty inept if they only shot six people who were just innocent bystanders.
On cp24 the other day the police and news reporters said it was a targeted shooting ... So I'm not sure where you are getting idea they weren't targeted because in fact they were. However I do believe that guns should be banned in Canada . There is no reason for anybody to own a gun unless they are using it for hunting . I'm not saying a ban would stop gun violence but it might minimize it even a little bit.

The people doing the shooting have already been banned from owning firearms. I can guarantee you not one of the guns used in the shooting was purchased legally by the shooter.

The shooters broke another 6-8 laws in the commission of this crime yet another prohibition is gonna solve this?

There should be an IQ test and the score should be posted under everyone's name online, be it forums, Facebook etc
There are ways for these shooters to get legally owned firearms that are not in their name .I , myelf have done the gun safety course and I know how hard it is to get a license. I also remember the instructor telling us that sometimes people get the license just to supply these thugs with the guns. They report them "stolen " or "lost " and just purchase new ones. The dirty ones end up on the street. I don't think a ban would necessarily SOLVE the problem but it might minimize the gun violence. Remember where there is a will there is a way & criminals aren't as dumb as you all may think.
 

Smallcock

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How much does a "stolen" gun sell for on the black market?
 

kugel2

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"There is no reason for anybody to own a gun unless they are using it for hunting . I'm not saying a ban would stop gun violence but it might minimize it even a little bit."

By that same logic, we should ban PWC's (jet ski's and seadoos) unless it is being used for fishing. So many people are hurt on these, and some killed, for no other reason than they say it's their right to use them. And they pollute the environment !!! It won't stop water fatalities, "but it might minimize it even a little bit."
 

Darts

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By that same logic, we should ban PWC's (jet ski's and seadoos) unless it is being used for fishing. So many people are hurt on these, and some killed, for no other reason than they say it's their right to use them.
Does anybody (outside their families and friends) care if they hurt or kill only themselves? If gun owners only hurt or kill themselves, we would not be having this conversation.
 

kugel2

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Does anybody (outside their families and friends) care if they hurt or kill only themselves? If gun owners only hurt or kill themselves, we would not be having this conversation.
People on PWC's hurt other people too, cause property damage....
 

Darts

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People on PWC's hurt other people too
One problem is too many don't know the rule of the lake. When another boat is coming in your direction, you both turn to your right. Yes, the "other right".
 

basketcase

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It would take time to dig it up, but the amounts Dellen Millard paid Matthew Ward-Jackson for three separate weapons wasn't cheap.
The stricter gun laws, the more expensive those black market guns are as they are harder to find.

There are three ways handguns end up on the black market.
1) Stolen from legal owners (which is hard to do if they are properly secured or banned)
2) They are bought by someone with the intent to sell it to a prohibited person (a huge PITA for anyone doing it as a one-off favour in Canada, the RCMP can track frequent purchasers, and impossible if handguns are banned)
3) Illegally imported from the US.

A ban on handguns (which I don't support) would shut down two of those three channels.
 

Smallcock

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It's obvious that nobody give a shit anymore. The police can't protect us, the government officials only say "it's unacceptable" after the fact. I want a concealed carry permit so I can carry a gun just like criminals do, but legally.
Exactly... and this is what people in the USA have known and understood since their founding.
 
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