F*** OFF with the Emergency Alerts

[canada-man]

May I suggest CanadaMan and yourself go to the hospital and shake hands and hug some patients with covid and tells us how it goes for you during the next 3 weeks or so.

Test your theory and show us and the rest of the world how wrong all the experts are!

Ben19, we've had our difference of opinion on the industry but I totally agree with you on this one and thanks for the work on the front lines.

Even still, high early-season vaccination rates and a relatively effective annual vaccine appeared to help suppress illnesses. In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died. That’s fairly on par with a typical season, and well below the CDC’s 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths.

https://time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/

 

[squeezer]

Even still, high early-season vaccination rates and a relatively effective annual vaccine appeared to help suppress illnesses. In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died. That’s fairly on par with a typical season, and well below the CDC’s 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths.

https://time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/

That's cool, now be a man and go lick some handrails at a Covid clinic. Show everyone just how smart you are and the rest of the experts are soooooo wrong.

 

[shack]

end the lockdowns now!

End your idiocy now.

 

[Ben19]

1- its a flu, get over it. Most of the world will. I have yet to read a single case of healthy person requiring hospital, 99% of cases listed online say "sent home to self isolate"
2- the damage to our economy and damage to peoples psych is far more serious than damage from virus
3- I act live within walking distance to hospital. See it every single day. Parking lots empty, no ambulances rushing in, looks pretty quiet as less serious injury (eg car accidents) arent happening.
4- also for that matter despite the screams of comm transmission, the regions post the cases; here nearly every single person who caught it was either a traveler or family/friend of a traveler. I can count on 1 hand the cases of "unknown" (and most of those are deaths in old age homes). And I obv live in GTA or wouldnt be posting here.

This whole Covid thing is a scam

Look online
People in Sweden are eating at restaurants. People are playing pro hockey. Eastern bloc countries playing soccer.
People in Korea attending kpop concerts (and their outbreak numbers WAY worse than ours, yet people there still living). I was laughing about the fraud to a neighbour today as they had a live (Apr 4 telecast)

Only in Canada are the idiot sheeple terrified of getting a cold
Yes if you have HIV or whatever stay indoors
But for rest of the world it is absurd

I originally wrote an angry response to this but decided to actually write an informed response. I think its important for professionals to actually listen and respond appropriately otherwise its a shouting match so I took the time to do this properly

1- Yes I have read, heard and seen of cases of younger people. Both the Italian and Chinese analysis of early cases published in JAMA show infections in the young, we are now seeing that there is a trend towards even younger people as this crisis evolved according to the WHO. But I think people like you dont trust numbers. Anecdotally just because you dont hear about the young people dying doesent mean they are not... do you realize how stupid that sounds. Just last night I heard of a medical resident 3 months away from graduation dying because of ARDS secondary to COVID. He was health and young. Go tell his wife and 3 kids that this thing is a joke...

It is true that in the majority of the cases the symtomps are mild to non-existent especially in the healthy and young, but its not in all and we cant really predict who will get severely ill and who will not. Again this is not THE FLU. Do you think the medical community is this STUPID to confuse it with the flu. Yes the symtomps are similar and it has similar pathogenesis with KEY differences. THERE IS NO HERD IMMUNITY. Everyone is subsceptible. If you take the flu with the whole population it will also ravage. The other key difference is its more contagious, did you study exponentials or did you skip highschool? Even a factor of 0.1-0.5 when exponentiated is devastating. If you also listen to any person whose job is this and not overnight experts such as your self they can tell you this behaves different in those that are sick. COVID causes severe ARDS and a cytokine storm which again if you know ANYTHING about medicine know its a SHIT STORM that is hard to treat, flu rarely does that.

Also keep in mind the data that came out of italy saying 99% had comorbidities included things like childhood history of asthma,high blood pressure, slight obesity, smoking as co-morbid factors..... I am sure alot of people here have one of those.

2- There is no denying the damage to the economy is massive. Whats the point of the economy? Its to support the people. if this thing is left unchecked it can potentially kill of as many as 1-2 % of the entire population--- Is that worth it to you? Maybe it is if your selfish and not part of that 99%. If all had that mentality your having our society would not be this far... I am no economist but the economy cant function when people are dying at this scale. Look at Italy-- how functinal you think their economy is?

3. This is the DUMBEST thing I have heard. You look at the parking lots of hospitals and make broad generalizations. Have you been inside one? Just cause you dont see something doesent mean its not happening... The hospitals have cancelled all elective surgeries and clinics so yes overall traffic is down but if you actually fucking go inside a hospital now you know how tense things are. Leave the conclusions to be made from people actually inside hospitals and not those looking at the parking lots from their windows... thanks.

4. WHAT DATA ARE YOU USING. Are you going around asking your neighbours and friends and counting on your hand. Well sir people actually track these things. We are beyond that point where its only from travel. Well we have more advnaced techniques of counting than on our hands and they show 71% of cases in Canada are from community transmission vs 29% from travel exposure as of April 4th (SOURCE). So if you count those on your fingers its 5671 fingers.


It honestly REALLY pisses me off people like you are out there saying its a SCAM. There are always idiots but the ONLY we treat this is if people listen and these stupid view points are no longer just stupid they are dangerous and everyone needs to address them. What advantage do doctors have in this scam? I have spoken to a friend who did his fellowship here and is now intensivist in Italy and the things I have heard and the things I have seen and the things I have read as someone who has studied this stuff for years SCARES the SHIT out of me. Healthcare workers are DYING because of this and to accuse them of this scam is honestly infuriating. If you dont trust anything medicine says then dont ever go to the doctor again please.

Look again if you get it most likely you are going to be fine. So if your concerns are selfish in nature and you dont care about the rest of the society admit it and dont make up facts. Just say you lack empathy and dont give a shit, dont try to convince us, it aint fooling anyone.

4,000 people die of highly contagious tuberculosis every day! 2018 the flu killed 80,000 in the US alone

end the lockdowns now!

First of all we are already above those numbers with COVID. And also you realize the numbers for TB and the FLU are static. This is growing. Did you ever take math? Do you udnerstand exponential growth.... Have you not seen the numbers reflect the predictions being made by the experts and not keyboard warriors and overnight experts.

 

[Ben19]

May I suggest CanadaMan and yourself go to the hospital and shake hands and hug some patients with covid and tells us how it goes for you during the next 3 weeks or so.

Test your theory and show us and the rest of the world how wrong all the experts are!

Ben19, we've had our difference of opinion on the industry but I totally agree with you on this one and thanks for the work on the front lines.

I cant really take credit for being on the front lines that goes out to all the nurses, support workers, clerks and doctors in the ICU, ED and screening clinics. But also this is what these people trained for and being in harms way is nothing new but not at this scale. The PPE shortages scare the shit out of me honestly; that should be priority. We all have a red line-- I personally will not work if I am not given safe practices and I know most people are in the same boat.

Also yes, we do disagree on alot of thing about this hobby and honestly that stuff is minor it never really impacted me and I always took your and others opinions seriously but still expressed mine. They were just that opinions. With COVID there are some facts and also an urgency for people to be united for the social distancing measures to work; as a result, when I read the comments made by some people here it really gets me angry LOL

I am going to say something here which I would never say or admit publicly. I wish the people like canada man who are making all these statements would identify themselves and we can exclude them from OHIP. If these people don’t listen to the pleads of health care workers when they need their help to just fucking stay home watch TV and masterbate then they do not deserve to be helped when they need it. If you don’t trust science and medicine then stick by those beliefs not just when it’s convenient for you.

 

[TeeJay]

There are claims that the Chinese Virus can reduce your lung capacity and do lifelong damage to your reproductive system, despite you being healthy and believing you would have an easy recover if infected.
We don't know what it can or will do down the line.

The common cold can reduce your life expectancy
The flu def does

Thats exactly my point
The Covid hype is way overblown
The only thing that makes it more unique is that it can transfer easier than most other deadly infections


I posted in the other thread how there was research that 100% of the McDonalds touchscreens kiosks had fecal matter on them
THAT is the issue
Dont get paranoid overwashing etc
But keep clean and keep distance from infected people and you are fine

In a small cramped indoor area yes it spreads
But outdoors is nothing but paranoia by people who think we are all gonna die!!!!

 

[TeeJay]

May I suggest CanadaMan and yourself go to the hospital and shake hands and hug some patients with covid and tells us how it goes for you during the next 3 weeks or so.

Test your theory and show us and the rest of the world how wrong all the experts are!

Ben19, we've had our difference of opinion on the industry but I totally agree with you on this one and thanks for the work on the front lines.

You are unable to read I suppose
Even if I wanted to;
1- There are no Covid "victims" in the local hospital (I just wrote that go re-read what you quoted genius). We had 2 in hospital so far according to website, 1 died and 1 went home cured.
2- I very clearly said keeping an arms length distance ensures you have a miniscule chance of getting infected hence the lockdown is stupid. Using your definition of "logic" should I also be jabbing people with rusty nails to prove tetanus is deadly? I know this is difficult for one such as yourself to understand but there is a difference between normal safety precautions (not randomly touching a sick person) and thinking the virus does not exist lol

If it makes you feel better I go outside every single day
I have met people and flaunted the stupid quarantine law
(not like anyone on this board follows laws in general but whatever)

This virus tends to create clusters of victims (esp old weak victims such as you would find in an old age home or a hospital wing suffering from another illness)

NOONE HAS DIED BECAUSE OF COVID
They die because of overlapping issues (eg leukemia + covid, hiv + covid, old/compromised immune systems etc)

The other key difference is its more contagious, did you study exponentials or did you skip highschool? Even a factor of 0.1-0.5 when exponentiated is devastating. Did you ever take math? Do you udnerstand exponential growth.... Have you not seen the numbers reflect the predictions being made by the experts and not keyboard warriors and overnight experts.

You know you either made a huge typo or have no clue about the "maths" you are spouting

X^0.1 up to X^0.5 is a DECREASE lol
Growth it is not

Most people in the medical community would be dancing in the street if there was a decline in cases

 

[John Wick]

Covid os overblown but emergencies were always a part of alert systems
We just never get things like earthquakes or volcanoes etc but they are in there



1- its a flu, get over it. Most of the world will. I have yet to read a single case of healthy person requiring hospital, 99% of cases listed online say "sent home to self isolate"
2- the damage to our economy and damage to peoples psych is far more serious than damage from virus
3- I act live within walking distance to hospital. See it every single day. Parking lots empty, no ambulances rushing in, looks pretty quiet as less serious injury (eg car accidents) arent happening.
4- also for that matter despite the screams of comm transmission, the regions post the cases; here nearly every single person who caught it was either a traveler or family/friend of a traveler. I can count on 1 hand the cases of "unknown" (and most of those are deaths in old age homes). And I obv live in GTA or wouldnt be posting here.

This whole Covid thing is a scam

Look online
People in Sweden are eating at restaurants. People are playing pro hockey. Eastern bloc countries playing soccer.
People in Korea attending kpop concerts (and their outbreak numbers WAY worse than ours, yet people there still living). I was laughing about the fraud to a neighbour today as they had a live (Apr 4 telecast)

Only in Canada are the idiot sheeple terrified of getting a cold
Yes if you have HIV or whatever stay indoors
But for rest of the world it is absurd

I really hope you get infected. Really bad. ICU bad. Guys like you deserve it more than those giving up everything to help the innocent victims. We need less people like you walking the earth anyway. You won't be missed.

 

[TeeJay]

I really hope you get infected. Really bad. ICU bad. Guys like you deserve it more than those giving up everything to help the innocent victims. We need less people like you walking the earth anyway. You won't be missed.

I'll take that bet
Everyone who thinks this is serious can etrans me some cash after this stupid thing blows over

 

[apoptygma]

I'll take that bet
Everyone who thinks this is serious can etrans me some cash after this stupid thing blows over

Will you be able to see your phone to accept the transfer with a ventilator covering your face?

 

[Ben19]

You are unable to read I suppose
Even if I wanted to;
1- There are no Covid "victims" in the local hospital (I just wrote that go re-read what you quoted genius). We had 2 in hospital so far according to website, 1 died and 1 went home cured.
2- I very clearly said keeping an arms length distance ensures you have a miniscule chance of getting infected hence the lockdown is stupid. Using your definition of "logic" should I also be jabbing people with rusty nails to prove tetanus is deadly? I know this is difficult for one such as yourself to understand but there is a difference between normal safety precautions (not randomly touching a sick person) and thinking the virus does not exist lol

If it makes you feel better I go outside every single day
I have met people and flaunted the stupid quarantine law
(not like anyone on this board follows laws in general but whatever)

This virus tends to create clusters of victims (esp old weak victims such as you would find in an old age home or a hospital wing suffering from another illness)

NOONE HAS DIED BECAUSE OF COVID
They die because of overlapping issues (eg leukemia + covid, hiv + covid, old/compromised immune systems etc)



You know you either made a huge typo or have no clue about the "maths" you are spouting

X^0.1 up to X^0.5 is a DECREASE lol
Growth it is not

Most people in the medical community would be dancing in the street if there was a decline in cases

You are a lost cause. There is no point anymore. While you probably will survive COVID you will not survive this stupid mentality. It is frustrating that people like you are out there openly FLAUNTING how they go out and proud to break the quarantine rules... while everyone else is doing their part to battle this including those medical professionals in the hospitals whome you claim are all lying to you. Where do you get all your data and knowledge. You should seriously educate all the experts. UofT has a 10 million grant with deadline of submissions due tomorrow and the results/funds released in 3 days maybe you should apply to it cause you know what your talking about and everyone else doesent.

You say there are NO COVID victims in the hospital. ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID. Where do you get this fact? I have SEEN THEM and ADMITTED THEM. We just put one on ECMO (lung and heart bypass) ..... Where do you get your data? Have you been in the hospital. Have you analyzed the public health, lab or OHIP data?

You say NO ONE has died of covid. Are you just trolling at this point? There are people with no comorbidities that have died of COVID. And those that had co-morbidities died because of COVID not because of their co-morbidity thats a BASIC fact in medicine. Otherwise everyone is dead because of age, no but we die of cancer, heart disease stroke etc. They each have their risk factors but they are just that risk factors.

Are you implying that people who are dead and the doctors who are reporting these deaths are all lying ?! Seriously go fuck your self. Do you say these people in the videos are all paid actors?

Also I meant a 0.5 increase. 2 to 2.5 increase in transmission is a SIGNIFICANT change. You can play with the models of this .



Again I agree there is alot of panic and hysteria and I agree most people will be fine but we need to do all we can to protect the population if we dont do anything we will end up like Italy. The reality is you will be fine but it takes a very close minded person to take that fact of them selves being okay and projecting that everyone else who is out there trying protect those at risk are a scam....

 

[explorerzip]

I really don't get argument that Covid is a big scam. What exactly is there to be gained by completely shutting down the economy? Maybe it is a grand over-reaction or maybe not, but the number of people who have gotten sick and / or died is not. I would rather choose the overly cautious path instead of not being cautious enough because we simply do not know enough of how this thing spread and the conditions that allow it.

 

[apoptygma]

You are a lost cause. There is no point anymore. While you probably will survive COVID you will not survive this stupid mentality. It is frustrating that people like you are out there openly FLAUNTING how they go out and proud to break the quarantine rules... while everyone else is doing their part to battle this including those medical professionals in the hospitals whome you claim are all lying to you. Where do you get all your data and knowledge. You should seriously educate all the experts. UofT has a 10 million grant with deadline of submissions due tomorrow and the results/funds released in 3 days maybe you should apply to it cause you know what your talking about and everyone else doesent.

You say there are NO COVID victims in the hospital. ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID. Where do you get this fact? I have SEEN THEM and ADMITTED THEM. We just put one on ECMO (lung and heart bypass) ..... Where do you get your data? Have you been in the hospital. Have you analyzed the public health, lab or OHIP data?

You say NO ONE has died of covid. Are you just trolling at this point? There are people with no comorbidities that have died of COVID. And those that had co-morbidities died because of COVID not because of their co-morbidity thats a BASIC fact in medicine. Otherwise everyone is dead because of age, no but we die of cancer, heart disease stroke etc. They each have their risk factors but they are just that risk factors.

Are you implying that people who are dead and the doctors who are reporting these deaths are all lying ?! Seriously go fuck your self. Do you say these people in the videos are all paid actors?

Also I meant a 0.5 increase. 2 to 2.5 increase in transmission is a SIGNIFICANT change. You can play with the models of this .



Again I agree there is alot of panic and hysteria and I agree most people will be fine but we need to do all we can to protect the population if we dont do anything we will end up like Italy.

TJ has always been a douche.
Don't feed the trolls.

 

[kkelso]

I really don't get argument that Covid is a big scam. What exactly is there to be gained by completely shutting down the economy? Maybe it is a grand over-reaction or maybe not, but the number of people who have gotten sick and / or died is not. I would rather choose the overly cautious path instead of not being cautious enough because we simply do not know enough of how this thing spread and the conditions that allow it.

I do not think that the virus is a "big scam", however it is hard to argue that there's no agenda here, an agenda that's driving the over-blown fearmongering.

1 - Fear sells clicks, and with everyone at home there are a lot of clicks to be sold

2 - Pushing the country into an economic disaster helps to seal the deal on the election, the market was the primary reason Trump looked good

3 - Pushing the country into an economic disaster makes it much easier to expand big government, and to have a better chance to make the changes stick

The virus is a Liberal wet dream. They are super smart to be making hay while the sun shines.

KK

 

[squeezer]

You are a lost cause. There is no point anymore. While you probably will survive COVID you will not survive this stupid mentality. It is frustrating that people like you are out there openly FLAUNTING how they go out and proud to break the quarantine rules... while everyone else is doing their part to battle this including those medical professionals in the hospitals whome you claim are all lying to you. Where do you get all your data and knowledge. You should seriously educate all the experts. UofT has a 10 million grant with deadline of submissions due tomorrow and the results/funds released in 3 days maybe you should apply to it cause you know what your talking about and everyone else doesent.

You say there are NO COVID victims in the hospital. ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID. Where do you get this fact? I have SEEN THEM and ADMITTED THEM. We just put one on ECMO (lung and heart bypass) ..... Where do you get your data? Have you been in the hospital. Have you analyzed the public health, lab or OHIP data?

You say NO ONE has died of covid. Are you just trolling at this point? There are people with no comorbidities that have died of COVID. And those that had co-morbidities died because of COVID not because of their co-morbidity thats a BASIC fact in medicine. Otherwise everyone is dead because of age, no but we die of cancer, heart disease stroke etc. They each have their risk factors but they are just that risk factors.

Are you implying that people who are dead and the doctors who are reporting these deaths are all lying ?! Seriously go fuck your self. Do you say these people in the videos are all paid actors?

Also I meant a 0.5 increase. 2 to 2.5 increase in transmission is a SIGNIFICANT change. You can play with the models of this .



Again I agree there is alot of panic and hysteria and I agree most people will be fine but we need to do all we can to protect the population if we dont do anything we will end up like Italy. The reality is you will be fine but it takes a very close minded person to take that fact of them selves being okay and projecting that everyone else who is out there trying protect those at risk are a scam....

Totally agree 100% and Teejay is an idiot! I'm not going to waste a minute addressing his idiotic post.

I do not think that the virus is a "big scam", however it is hard to argue that there's no agenda here, an agenda that's driving the over-blown fearmongering.

1 - Fear sells clicks, and with everyone at home there are a lot of clicks to be sold

2 - Pushing the country into an economic disaster helps to seal the deal on the election, the market was the primary reason Trump looked good

3 - Pushing the country into an economic disaster makes it much easier to expand big government, and to have a better chance to make the changes stick

The virus is a Liberal wet dream. They are super smart to be making hay while the sun shines.

KK

Wow, what a brilliant conspiracy theory!

 

[superstar_88]

There are those who are only out for themselves and there are those who think for the well being of others. Particularly the elderly.
Teejay when he gets covid would probably sneeze on his own grandparents if he had any.
Teejay would be a prime candidate to be a super spreader.

 

[explorerzip]

I do not think that the virus is a "big scam", however it is hard to argue that there's no agenda here, an agenda that's driving the over-blown fearmongering.

1 - Fear sells clicks, and with everyone at home there are a lot of clicks to be sold

2 - Pushing the country into an economic disaster helps to seal the deal on the election, the market was the primary reason Trump looked good

3 - Pushing the country into an economic disaster makes it much easier to expand big government, and to have a better chance to make the changes stick

The virus is a Liberal wet dream. They are super smart to be making hay while the sun shines.

KK

You are right about fear selling. The US has done this very well for decades. Like I said earlier though, I would rather be on the side of being overly cautious rather than not cautious enough.

At the same time concluding that this all a big global conspiracy is very far fetched.

 

[shack]

I originally wrote an angry response to this but decided to actually write an informed response. I think its important for professionals to actually listen and respond appropriately otherwise its a shouting match so I took the time to do this properly

1- Yes I have read, heard and seen of cases of younger people. Both the Italian and Chinese analysis of early cases published in JAMA show infections in the young, we are now seeing that there is a trend towards even younger people as this crisis evolved according to the WHO. But I think people like you dont trust numbers. Anecdotally just because you dont hear about the young people dying doesent mean they are not... do you realize how stupid that sounds. Just last night I heard of a medical resident 3 months away from graduation dying because of ARDS secondary to COVID. He was health and young. Go tell his wife and 3 kids that this thing is a joke...

It is true that in the majority of the cases the symtomps are mild to non-existent especially in the healthy and young, but its not in all and we cant really predict who will get severely ill and who will not. Again this is not THE FLU. Do you think the medical community is this STUPID to confuse it with the flu. Yes the symtomps are similar and it has similar pathogenesis with KEY differences. THERE IS NO HERD IMMUNITY. Everyone is subsceptible. If you take the flu with the whole population it will also ravage. The other key difference is its more contagious, did you study exponentials or did you skip highschool? Even a factor of 0.1-0.5 when exponentiated is devastating. If you also listen to any person whose job is this and not overnight experts such as your self they can tell you this behaves different in those that are sick. COVID causes severe ARDS and a cytokine storm which again if you know ANYTHING about medicine know its a SHIT STORM that is hard to treat, flu rarely does that.

Also keep in mind the data that came out of italy saying 99% had comorbidities included things like childhood history of asthma,high blood pressure, slight obesity, smoking as co-morbid factors..... I am sure alot of people here have one of those.

2- There is no denying the damage to the economy is massive. Whats the point of the economy? Its to support the people. if this thing is left unchecked it can potentially kill of as many as 1-2 % of the entire population--- Is that worth it to you? Maybe it is if your selfish and not part of that 99%. If all had that mentality your having our society would not be this far... I am no economist but the economy cant function when people are dying at this scale. Look at Italy-- how functinal you think their economy is?

3. This is the DUMBEST thing I have heard. You look at the parking lots of hospitals and make broad generalizations. Have you been inside one? Just cause you dont see something doesent mean its not happening... The hospitals have cancelled all elective surgeries and clinics so yes overall traffic is down but if you actually fucking go inside a hospital now you know how tense things are. Leave the conclusions to be made from people actually inside hospitals and not those looking at the parking lots from their windows... thanks.

4. WHAT DATA ARE YOU USING. Are you going around asking your neighbours and friends and counting on your hand. Well sir people actually track these things. We are beyond that point where its only from travel. Well we have more advnaced techniques of counting than on our hands and they show 71% of cases in Canada are from community transmission vs 29% from travel exposure as of April 4th (SOURCE). So if you count those on your fingers its 5671 fingers.


It honestly REALLY pisses me off people like you are out there saying its a SCAM. There are always idiots but the ONLY we treat this is if people listen and these stupid view points are no longer just stupid they are dangerous and everyone needs to address them. What advantage do doctors have in this scam? I have spoken to a friend who did his fellowship here and is now intensivist in Italy and the things I have heard and the things I have seen and the things I have read as someone who has studied this stuff for years SCARES the SHIT out of me. Healthcare workers are DYING because of this and to accuse them of this scam is honestly infuriating. If you dont trust anything medicine says then dont ever go to the doctor again please.

Look again if you get it most likely you are going to be fine. So if your concerns are selfish in nature and you dont care about the rest of the society admit it and dont make up facts. Just say you lack empathy and dont give a shit, dont try to convince us, it aint fooling anyone.



First of all we are already above those numbers with COVID. And also you realize the numbers for TB and the FLU are static. This is growing. Did you ever take math? Do you udnerstand exponential growth.... Have you not seen the numbers reflect the predictions being made by the experts and not keyboard warriors and overnight experts.

There is too much fact, logic and reason coming from a professional in that post for the idiots to take in. Their heads will explode.

Thank you for a dose of reality.

 

[canada-man]

What's the word that I'm looking for here . Oh yea .... TROLL

I'm sure that your medical knowledge will rise for the occasion when you notify Trudeau and Ford that they are dealing with this virus the wrong way .

What medical school did you attend ? Trump University

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...sed-contributed-death-lab-tests-not-required/


CDC Tells Hospitals to List COVID-19 as Cause of Death Even if It's "Assumed to Have Caused Or Contributed to Death" - Lab Tests Not Required

The Coronavirus crisis took the US by storm, spiking unemployment and crashing the stock market virtually over night.

The media is bombarding Americans around the clock with updates on the death count, highlighting death maps and scaring people into staying home.

Governors are forcing small businesses to shut down and threatening to jail anyone who violates their authoritarian social distancing orders.


The media hysteria is based on a Bill Gates-funded IHME Coronavirus model that has been proven to be way off.

It gets worse…

The amount of Americans who are reported to have died from the Coronavirus is based on a CDC coding system that will “result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”

A new ICD code was established to keep track of Coronavirus deaths.

The U07.1 code will be used for death by Coronavirus infection.

However, there’s another secondary code, U07.2, “for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available,” the CDC guidelines read.

“Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics.”

This is a huge problem.

“The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID- 19 being the underlying cause more often than not,” the guidelines read.

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death,” CDC guidelines issued March 24 read. “Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”

 

[Ben19]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...sed-contributed-death-lab-tests-not-required/


CDC Tells Hospitals to List COVID-19 as Cause of Death Even if It's "Assumed to Have Caused Or Contributed to Death" - Lab Tests Not Required

This is another recent thing I have see conspiracy theorist post.

Have you guys actually ever looked a death certificate or know the details behind these things?

Whenever someone dies a death certificate is filled and reviewed by a pathologist. No one is mandated to enter things its not like the CDC is forcing people to claim corona deaths.

There are people that come into hospital and die due to lung failure and symptoms consistent with COVID-19 but they did not present early enough for their test results to come back or to be tested. In that scenario the MD makes the judgement as to the cause of death and this is reviewed by the pathologist. Pathologist get 5 years of training after medical school to make these distincitions... leave it up to them to make the calls on cause of death not someone whose read a few articles on right wing news sources.

There is also the scenario of false positive cases with ARDS and CT evidence of COVID-19 who pass away, we have had a few of those in Canada. In those cases given the relatively high false negative (type II error) rates of COVID NP. PCR test the assumption is made that the cause of death is COVID.



Look I get that there are some people who have a conspiracy theory mentality but guys just like can you take a break for a month or so and resume when all this is over? There will be plenty of stories to go nuts on let the professionals deal with this shit first and then make your theories.

There are also those like TJ who have the mentality that if they dont see it or if they are not experiencing it personally then its not there. Those close minded thoughts are also dangerous during these times when buy in from everyone is the only treatment we have against this. 69,177 have died from this so far, while yes many of those had co-morbidities the fact remains that they still died and that number is increasing at an exponential rate. If two weeks ago we said the death toll would be this much none of you guys denying it now would have beleived it, the constant goal post change should raise a flag no?