So a poll that agrees with your view is real and anything that doesnt is fake?
Can you post some links to these "real" posts you speak of ? Or is this all in your head ?
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Can you post some links to these "real" posts you speak of ? Or is this all in your head ?
That's not a poll of the population, its a survey of 'stakeholders' who specifically are involved in the issue.So a poll that agrees with your view is real and anything that doesnt is fake?
Like the NRA and its bots.
Where do you see NRA ? Are you capable of reading at all?That's not a poll of the population, its a survey of 'stakeholders' who specifically are involved in the issue.
Like the NRA and its bots.
133,000 surveys, as well as "36 submissions were received from invited stakeholders representing a diversity of groups/organizations, sectors and perspectives which are identified in the chart below"
The NRA has been working on Canada for 2 decades.Where do you see NRA ? Are you capable of reading at all?
133,000 surveys, as well as "36 submissions were received from invited stakeholders representing a diversity of groups/organizations, sectors and perspectives which are identified in the chart below"
The National Rifle Association, a powerful lobbying group in the United States that advocates fewer gun controls, has been actively involved in trying to abolish Canada's long-gun registry for more than a decade, CBC News has learned.
Documents and correspondence obtained by the CBC show the NRA has provided logistical and tactical support to organizations such as the Canadian Institute for Legislative Action (CILA), established in 1998 to lobby Ottawa to shut down the registry.
The NRA provides the Canadian gun lobby group with "tremendous amounts of logistical support," and while the NRA's constitution prevents them from providing money, "they freely give us anything else," Tony Bernardo, an Ontario gun advocate and CILA's executive director, said in Canadian Firearms Digest in July 2001.
The NRA has been known to use bots to flood twitter and social media, its not a stretch think they would flood a Canadian 'survey'.
And unless you can find polls that aren't 80% for more controls on weapons, as the latest ones are, then your 'survey' clearly isn't accurate.
Stakeholders are not representative of public opinion.Where do you see NRA ? Are you capable of reading at all?
133,000 surveys, as well as "36 submissions were received from invited stakeholders representing a diversity of groups/organizations, sectors and perspectives which are identified in the chart below"
For example, a survey on prostitution sent to Johns, providers, agencies, and drivers would likely have a very different result than the general public.
Post the 80% surveys you speak ofThe NRA has been working on Canada for 2 decades.
The National Rifle Association, a powerful lobbying group in the United States that advocates fewer gun controls, has been actively involved in trying to abolish Canada's long-gun registry for more than a decade, CBC News has learned.
Documents and correspondence obtained by the CBC show the NRA has provided logistical and tactical support to organizations such as the Canadian Institute for Legislative Action (CILA), established in 1998 to lobby Ottawa to shut down the registry.
The NRA provides the Canadian gun lobby group with "tremendous amounts of logistical support," and while the NRA's constitution prevents them from providing money, "they freely give us anything else," Tony Bernardo, an Ontario gun advocate and CILA's executive director, said in Canadian Firearms Digest in July 2001.
The NRA has been known to use bots to flood twitter and social media, its not a stretch think they would flood a Canadian 'survey'.
And unless you can find polls that aren't 80% for more controls on weapons, as the latest ones are, then your 'survey' clearly isn't accurate.
For assault weapons.Post the 80% surveys you speak of
80% of Canadians back ban on 'assault-style' weapons: poll
The polling numbers come as the federal government moves to ban more than 1,500 weapons, including semiautomatic, large-magazine rifles used to shoot at a rapid fire.
The support level jumps to three-quarters (75%) when considering a ban on assault weapons.
For the above,
The question asked was: "Would you support or oppose Canada having a complete ban on**civilian possession of Assault weapons"? It is obvious that 80% of more respondent would say YES beacuse they imagine "assault weapons" as some terrible machines for killing people on the battlefield. The problem is with the formulation of the question. There are NO ASSAULT WEAPONS IN CANADA IN CIVILIAN HANDS!
What would happen if, for instance, the polling question would be formulated like this: "Would you support or oppose having a complete ban on possession by Canadians self-loading hunting and sporting rifles"?
Second, the sample size of the Angus Reid poll you posted is 1 500 people vs 133,000 people polled all across Canada in the one I posted.
Which one do you think is a better representation of the average canadian ?
The question asked was: "Would you support or oppose Canada having a complete ban on**civilian possession of Assault weapons"? It is obvious that 80% of more respondent would say YES beacuse they imagine "assault weapons" as some terrible machines for killing people on the battlefield. The problem is with the formulation of the question. There are NO ASSAULT WEAPONS IN CANADA IN CIVILIAN HANDS!
What would happen if, for instance, the polling question would be formulated like this: "Would you support or oppose having a complete ban on possession by Canadians self-loading hunting and sporting rifles"?
Second, the sample size of the Angus Reid poll you posted is 1 500 people vs 133,000 people polled all across Canada in the one I posted.
Which one do you think is a better representation of the average canadian ?
Thank you for your post, John Henry. All of the dissenters, like nottiboy and his friends, are urban metrosexuals who know nothing about firearms, fishing and hunting. They spout total bull shit as I have noted previously when beaverboy claimed that Americans will be buying banned firearms from Canada. Thanks to their hero Obama and his ties to the UN, buying guns from out of the country is very difficult both in Canada and the U.S.No . 30 round magazines ( not clips ) are not available . I can tell you're not a gun owner . The 25 round mags for a Ruger 10/22 rifle are not allowed now because those mags fit a hand gun which is only allowed to have 10 rounds plus 1 .
Never heard of the cops finding an AR-15 that was modified to shoot fully automatic . That's just not done . Bump stocks are illegal in Canada and so are suppressor kits . A box of 30 round mags hidden in a box . You watch too much TV .
That is what you think; but you are wrong. I live in the country and I have half a dozen guns and have expert shooting skills. I have never been called a metrosexual.Thank you for your post, John Henry. All of the dissenters, like nottiboy and his friends, are urban metrosexuals who know nothing about firearms, fishing and hunting. They spout total bull shit as I have noted previously when beaverboy claimed that Americans will be buying banned firearms from Canada. Thanks to their hero Obama and his ties to the UN, buying guns from out of the country is very difficult both in Canada and the U.S.
I fully support the Governments ban.
You agree with the government's ban because you obviously do not own a handgun or an AR15. Hence, it is easy for you to support the ban.That is what you think; but you are wrong. I live in the country and I have half a dozen guns and have expert shooting skills. I have never been called a metrosexual.
I fully support the Governments ban.
I have read many of your posts.
Fake news.The NRA has been working on Canada for 2 decades.
The National Rifle Association, a powerful lobbying group in the United States that advocates fewer gun controls, has been actively involved in trying to abolish Canada's long-gun registry for more than a decade, CBC News has learned.
Documents and correspondence obtained by the CBC show the NRA has provided logistical and tactical support to organizations such as the Canadian Institute for Legislative Action (CILA), established in 1998 to lobby Ottawa to shut down the registry.
The NRA provides the Canadian gun lobby group with "tremendous amounts of logistical support," and while the NRA's constitution prevents them from providing money, "they freely give us anything else," Tony Bernardo, an Ontario gun advocate and CILA's executive director, said in Canadian Firearms Digest in July 2001.
The NRA has been known to use bots to flood twitter and social media, its not a stretch think they would flood a Canadian 'survey'.
And unless you can find polls that aren't 80% for more controls on weapons, as the latest ones are, then your 'survey' clearly isn't accurate.
Polls are more accurate than an online survey that can be flooded by bots.For the above,
The question asked was: "Would you support or oppose Canada having a complete ban on**civilian possession of Assault weapons"? It is obvious that 80% of more respondent would say YES beacuse they imagine "assault weapons" as some terrible machines for killing people on the battlefield. The problem is with the formulation of the question. There are NO ASSAULT WEAPONS IN CANADA IN CIVILIAN HANDS!
What would happen if, for instance, the polling question would be formulated like this: "Would you support or oppose having a complete ban on possession by Canadians self-loading hunting and sporting rifles"?
Second, the sample size of the Angus Reid poll you posted is 1 500 people vs 133,000 people polled all across Canada in the one I posted.
Which one do you think is a better representation of the average canadian ?
If you have access to government files on guns. then you are bound by confidentiality.You agree with the government's ban because you obviously do not own a handgun or an AR15. Hence, it is easy for you to support the ban.
I have read many of your posts.
You actually have no idea what kind of guns I own. In any event why are you changing the subject. You claimed:
Maybe you should retract that statement.All of the dissenters, like nottiboy and his friends, are urban metrosexuals who know nothing about firearms, fishing and hunting.
He sounds pretty homophobic.Maybe you should retract that statement.
Instead of complaining, why don't you suggest the gun lobby pay for that poll? I have a feeling they won't because they worry the poll wouldn't go their way....
What would happen if, for instance, the polling question would be formulated like this: "Would you support or oppose having a complete ban on possession by Canadians self-loading hunting and sporting rifles"?...
How about my other points? How can you have a poll ask a question that doesnt even logically make sense ?Polls are more accurate than an online survey that can be flooded by bots.
You dont own a gun. People who own firearms are required to know the basics, you do not.That is what you think; but you are wrong. I live in the country and I have half a dozen guns and have expert shooting skills. I have never been called a metrosexual.
I fully support the Governments ban.
I'm not complaining I'm bringing up valid points that not one of you are willing to to answer. Now why is that ?Instead of complaining, why don't you suggest the gun lobby pay for that poll? I have a feeling they won't because they worry the poll wouldn't go their way.
Updated:**May 11, 2020 7:36 PM EDT
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Toronto SUN**Opinion**Columnists
Don’t call it an assault weapon. Don’t call it a military weapon.
That was the advice from an article published in November 2016 in**Blue Line,**Canada’s national independent police magazine.
At the time, police across Canada were adopting what they call “patrol carbines” but what most people would call an AR-15, the rifle Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wants you to be deathly afraid of as he bans it from civilian use.
“These are not ‘assault rifles’ or military weapons. They have no full-auto capability,” writer and firearms instructor Dave Brown wrote in the police magazine.
Brown noted that some people were becoming concerned with the increased use of such firearms by police services across the country. That meant police forces had to get the terminology right.
“If you don’t do a good job of stating your case, you risk distancing yourself from the vast majority of supportive citizens; the ones who have always quietly paid the bills and supported law enforcement but don’t understand why you need a ‘military’ weapon,” Brown wrote.
“Stop pushing buttons: Avoid words on which an untrained public will focus. Patrol carbines are not a military weapon,” Brown stated, hammering the point home multiple times. “They are not an assault rifle, military rifle or machine gun.”
These words in Canada’s police magazine are very different from the words the government has been using.
“Today, we are closing the market for military-grade assault weapons in Canada,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said when he made the announcement of the gun ban on May 1.
Last week, Public Safety Minister Bill Blair went on**CTV’s Power Play**and said these rifles were being banned because they are so deadly.
“They are semi-automatic designed for military use, designed for soldiers to kill soldiers,” Blair said.
That’s nothing other than an outright lie, one that Blair as former chief of police in Canada’s largest city would know he was making. The AR-15 and the other rifles being banned under this cabinet order are not military-grade, they are not designed for soldiers.
No military in the world would send soldiers into battle in this day and age with a semi-automatic rifle. Even the Cold War rifle I trained on with the military in 1990 had a fully automatic capability.
The entire Trudeau gun ban is premised on the idea that the people who will vote for him don’t know that the guns being banned aren’t the crime guns shooting up our streets and are not the problem.
A report issued by the RCMP’s Canadian Firearms Program stated earlier this year that there was no reason licensed gun owners shouldn’t be denied the ability to own their guns.
“All applicants are screened to ensure that there are no reasons why, in the interest of public safety, they should not possess a firearm,” the RCMP report stated.
Not only are the gun owners that this ban targets vetted and approved by the RCMP, the experts the Trudeau government says it relies upon, so are the guns they own. Each of them tested, vetted and approved by the Mounties.
As we know, the real problem when it comes to gun violence in Canada, are the people who don’t obey the law. Gang members won’t get licenses, they won’t obey the law, they won’t obey any bans.
And they will continue to use the illegal handguns smuggled in from the United States while the Trudeau government spends hundreds of millions of dollars to take guns away from legal owners.
It’s a solution that won’t solve a problem that is very real and one that relies on you and the people around you not paying attention to the details.
Filed Under:
Toronto SUN**Opinion**Columnists
Don’t call it an assault weapon. Don’t call it a military weapon.
That was the advice from an article published in November 2016 in**Blue Line,**Canada’s national independent police magazine.
At the time, police across Canada were adopting what they call “patrol carbines” but what most people would call an AR-15, the rifle Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wants you to be deathly afraid of as he bans it from civilian use.
“These are not ‘assault rifles’ or military weapons. They have no full-auto capability,” writer and firearms instructor Dave Brown wrote in the police magazine.
Brown noted that some people were becoming concerned with the increased use of such firearms by police services across the country. That meant police forces had to get the terminology right.
“If you don’t do a good job of stating your case, you risk distancing yourself from the vast majority of supportive citizens; the ones who have always quietly paid the bills and supported law enforcement but don’t understand why you need a ‘military’ weapon,” Brown wrote.
“Stop pushing buttons: Avoid words on which an untrained public will focus. Patrol carbines are not a military weapon,” Brown stated, hammering the point home multiple times. “They are not an assault rifle, military rifle or machine gun.”
These words in Canada’s police magazine are very different from the words the government has been using.
“Today, we are closing the market for military-grade assault weapons in Canada,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said when he made the announcement of the gun ban on May 1.
Last week, Public Safety Minister Bill Blair went on**CTV’s Power Play**and said these rifles were being banned because they are so deadly.
“They are semi-automatic designed for military use, designed for soldiers to kill soldiers,” Blair said.
That’s nothing other than an outright lie, one that Blair as former chief of police in Canada’s largest city would know he was making. The AR-15 and the other rifles being banned under this cabinet order are not military-grade, they are not designed for soldiers.
No military in the world would send soldiers into battle in this day and age with a semi-automatic rifle. Even the Cold War rifle I trained on with the military in 1990 had a fully automatic capability.
The entire Trudeau gun ban is premised on the idea that the people who will vote for him don’t know that the guns being banned aren’t the crime guns shooting up our streets and are not the problem.
A report issued by the RCMP’s Canadian Firearms Program stated earlier this year that there was no reason licensed gun owners shouldn’t be denied the ability to own their guns.
“All applicants are screened to ensure that there are no reasons why, in the interest of public safety, they should not possess a firearm,” the RCMP report stated.
Not only are the gun owners that this ban targets vetted and approved by the RCMP, the experts the Trudeau government says it relies upon, so are the guns they own. Each of them tested, vetted and approved by the Mounties.
As we know, the real problem when it comes to gun violence in Canada, are the people who don’t obey the law. Gang members won’t get licenses, they won’t obey the law, they won’t obey any bans.
And they will continue to use the illegal handguns smuggled in from the United States while the Trudeau government spends hundreds of millions of dollars to take guns away from legal owners.
It’s a solution that won’t solve a problem that is very real and one that relies on you and the people around you not paying attention to the details.
