White Fragility

[Jenesis]

No need to take my word. Look up the stats, skip CNN this time, and see what the numbers say.

I will never believe that a guy here on TERB would want to be a black man living in America right now.

Sorry but I call bullshit.

But if you want to find me stats on white men wanting to be black in America - have at ‘er bud.

 

[Lovely_Lovelynn]

White Fragility: the term is meant to describe any defensive instincts or reactions that a white person experiences when questioned about race or made to consider their own race. White Fragility , views racism in the North America as systemic and often perpetuated unconsciously by individuals.

White Fragility serves to be a defensive response by a white person when their whiteness is highlighted or mentioned, or their worldview is challenged, whether this response is conscious or otherwise. Examples include a white man accusing someone of "playing the race card" or a white woman (Karen) crying to avoid conflict. The term proposes that white people are used to viewing themselves as "raceless" or the "default" race, and as such are insulated from feelings of racial discomfort. It describes racism as systematic rather than overt and conscious, arguing that racial segregation has shaped the United States. Research points that children aged 3 upwards believe it better to be white in North America.

Excellent conversation tonight with friends over this term. Imagine being shaped by a socio/educational system that tells you the great men in history were noble, benevolent creatures. Your parents were taught this, your Grandparents were taught this, it goes back several centuries. You're conditioned to believe in this. Then, as it turns out, these 'Great Men' were slave owners, traders, bigamists, hypocrites, blowhards and opportunists. Most likely, their great deeds were done by Black, Brown or Asian people and they just took the credit.

A couple of my friends were just gobsmacked and had no answers to give (this is a 'Face to Face' conversation, no anonymous board to hide behind). One was so incensed that he left the table (the rest of us paid his bill). Then my friend "Rick", super good guy, as Canadian as you can get, married to a Bollywood Beauty said: "I know I'm a suburban white guy that never had any sort of money or health problems. Somewhere down the line, I must have said or done something nasty to somebody. I'm hoping I didn't mean it. I hope I never do it again."

I paid for Rick's dinner.

**CLAPS LOUDLY**

 

[doggystyle99]

Id have no problem being a young black man being pulled over by the police. 99.9% of cops are fair and just and nice people. For every George Floyd there are 100,000 stops that went exactly by the book. CNN/Fake News has poisoned the minds of impressionable naive liberals. Its sad and disgusting.

Spreading fake numbers while labelling everything which is factual in opposition to your opinion such as CNN as Fake News shows how ignorant and uninformed you really are. It's a Alt Right strategy that is commonly used. The number you posted above is non factual. Making numbers up as you go to fit your narrative makes people look foolish. Here you are looking foolish.
But if you do have a link to the verified stats (non anecdotal evidence) please provide it I would love to read it.

I've said this before and will keep repeating it until the ignorant and uninformed people like you understand.
In 2020 as a human being in the world specially in North America (where we claim to be the greatest of democracies) regardless of your race if one still has not understood the racial inequalities, the systematic oppression and the injustices minorities specially those in the African American communities in the USA suffer on a daily basis you are a part of the problem.

In the USA in 2019 the number of police shooting which resulted in death were 3.1 deaths/100,000 USA population.
A total of 1004 police shooting deaths with the African American's accounting for 235 of them which represents over 23% of the total. That number is disproportionate to the African American population VS the total population in the USA.
In the USA African American's represent only slightly over 13% of the population VS over 76% being represented by Caucasians.
So meanwhile they only account for 13% of the population they account for more than 23% of the fatalities related to police shootings. Adjusted for population an African American in the USA is more than 3.8X more likely to get shot to death by the police than a Caucasian person.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

 

[Insidious Von]

Did someone say tripe....MmmmmmmmMmm Goood Eatin.

 

[Don Draper]

I've said this before and will keep repeating it until the ignorant and uninformed people like you understand.
In 2020 as a human being in the world specially in North America (where we claim to be the greatest of democracies) regardless of your race if one still has not understood the racial inequalities, the systematic oppression and the injustices minorities specially those in the African American communities in the USA suffer on a daily basis you are a part of the problem.

Simple, clear and direct words, my esteemed colleague. Well said!

Clarity is a blessing. It's astounding how many (on this board and otherwise) fight to turn deaf to the truth around them simply for fear of losing their fake sense of 'white entitlement'.

 

[Darts]

"A total of 1004 police shooting deaths with the African American's accounting for 235 of them which represents over 23% of the total. That number is disproportionate to the African American population VS the total population in the USA."

This statement in isolation is meaningless. What were the 235 doing when they were killed? Context, context, context. Numbers without context is meaningless.

 

[Darts]

Blacks benefit from affirmative action and artificially inflated SAT scores.

There is even a separate admissions process at some Canadian universities specifically for blacks. Presumably so they don't have to compete against whites, Chinese and E.I.'s for university entrance.

BTW: I think blacks do much better in western democracies than they do in Asian, Muslim and black majority countries.

 

[jerimander]

Blacks like to blame slavery for the disappearance of the black family. They forget that the majority of blacks in the '40s and '50s had nuclear families with a mother and a father. Why did slavery have no effect on them? Black families didn't start dissolving till the '60s. However, slavery is always a convenient scapegoat for obtaining victim status.

 

[doggystyle99]

Simple, clear and direct words, my esteemed colleague. Well said!

Clarity is a blessing. It's astounding how many (on this board and otherwise) fight to turn deaf to the truth around them simply for fear of losing their fake sense of 'white entitlement'.

I get astounded myself sometimes by the sheer amount of ignorance spewed by some people on this board who share racist or xenophobic views on this board. It makes one wonder about their upbringing and the people they associate with.
Unfortunately some people are morally corrupt.

 

[Darts]

Blacks like to blame slavery for the disappearance of the black family. They forget that the majority of blacks in the '40s and '50s had nuclear families with a mother and a father.

It was Democratic President Johnson's "War on Poverty" that destroyed the 2 parents in the house black family. There are more poor black families now than before the "War on Poverty".

It's easier to blame the national anthem, slavery, the "white man" and the police than to admit their own mistakes and shortcomings. Did anyone notice that lefties see racists behind every tree?

 

[Don Draper]

It's easier to blame the national anthem, slavery, the "white man" and the police than to admit their own mistakes and shortcomings. Did anyone notice that lefties see racists behind every tree?

It's not about blaming the national anthem, the police or the "white man".

The problem we're in has arisen from white people thinking that they're superior to EVERYBODY.

That, for some incredibly misguided reason, being white makes you superior to a Black, Brown, Latino or Asian person.

 

[Sniper Jr.]

In the USA in 2019 the number of police shooting which resulted in death were 3.1 deaths/100,000 USA population.
A total of 1004 police shooting deaths with the African American's accounting for 235 of them which represents over 23% of the total. That number is disproportionate to the African American population VS the total population in the USA.
In the USA African American's represent only slightly over 13% of the population VS over 76% being represented by Caucasians.
So meanwhile they only account for 13% of the population they account for more than 23% of the fatalities related to police shootings. Adjusted for population an African American in the USA is more than 3.8X more likely to get shot to death by the police than a Caucasian person.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

I'm guessing young men are more likely to be shot to death by the police than little old ladies. Clearly the police are prejudiced against young men.

Funny how statista.com doesn't have a chart of violent crime convictions by race. I imagine it would correlate pretty well with the breakdown of people shot to death by police.

 

[Darts]

That, for some incredibly misguided reason, being white makes you superior to a Black, Brown, Latino or Asian person.

If that is true then show "whitey" that they are not superior. Has anyone notice how well E.I.'s (brown) and Chinese excel in academics and business?

When I applied to enter McGill it only a few short years after McGill lifted it's quota on limiting Jewish students. Yes, I had to compete against Jewish students for admission to McGill and we all know how smart they are.

The first step to success is to stop crying "woe is me".

 

[Darts]

Funny how statista.com doesn't have a chart of violent crime convictions by race. I imagine it would correlate pretty well with the breakdown of people shot to death by police.

Let's be honest. A young black male (or female) is far more likely to be killed by another young black male than by police. Of course, they don't teach you that in liberal lefty class.

 

[doggystyle99]

It was Democratic President Johnson's "War on Poverty" that destroyed the 2 parents in the house black family. There are more poor black families now than before the "War on Poverty".

It's easier to blame the national anthem, slavery, the "white man" and the police than to admit their own mistakes and shortcomings. Did anyone notice that lefties see racists behind every tree?

This has zero to do with Democrats or Republicans. Learn what systematic oppression is. Both Democrats and Republicans share the same blame on this issue.
Unfortunately you are either unbelievably uninformed or willfully ignorant on this issue once again another topic you need education on.

It's the systematic actions police have taken across the USA in Democratic and Republican run states over the years specially in recent times that have caused numerous unnecessary deaths to innocent black men.
For example that piece of shit police officer who kneeled on George Floyd's neck for over 8 minutes, to be exact 8:46 meanwhile other officers just stood by did nothing and watched as George Floyd's life was needlessly taken away from him.
It's the three racist pieces of shits who hunted down Ahmaud Arbery while he was innocently jogging in the middle of the day, like they were hunting an animal that is the issue.
It's the court systems that have over the years given cases like this and the convicted pieces of shits a slap on the wrist or acquitted them of charges like they did in the case of Rodney King and the four pieces of shit police officers who beat him to an inch of his life.
And so many other similar stories.

Again you can try to blame everything else you can think of out of thin air and everyone else for these issues, it's not one thing that has led to what we see today it's a culmination of a whole slew of different factors that has led to the issue of ongoing systematic oppression, racial inequalities and injustices that those in the African American community suffer on a daily basis in the USA.
And if you haven't understood this in 2020 you are a part of the problem.

 

[basketcase]

Pretty much all of your posts are 1 or 2 lines. You're hardly the person to be criticizing others for a lack of depth

I'm quite happy to discuss this topic in depth if you want.

General human nature is to desire comfort and people who have benefited from being in the majority are often afraid that disadvantaged people getting rights will somehow hurt them. It's a pretty simple concept. CNN recently had an article about how often conflict arises within even democratic communities when things like bussing or changing demographics of the community. In this part of the world, whites are the majority and in many circumstances have power and opportunity that others don't. It might be more accurate to use "fragility of the power holders" but being a country where that means white people, the term "white fragility' is accurate and is shown over and over again when people like you and many other on this board get triggered by other races.

Then there are the hard-core racists; the ones who believe other races are inferior and don't deserve rights (and there are a number of those on this board too).

I patiently await your thoughtful response.

 

[basketcase]

"A total of 1004 police shooting deaths with the African American's accounting for 235 of them which represents over 23% of the total. That number is disproportionate to the African American population VS the total population in the USA."

This statement in isolation is meaningless. What were the 235 doing when they were killed? Context, context, context. Numbers without context is meaningless.

Telling that you don't ask what the other 769 were doing.

 

[basketcase]

Blacks benefit from affirmative action and artificially inflated SAT scores.

There is even a separate admissions process at some Canadian universities specifically for blacks. Presumably so they don't have to compete against whites, Chinese and E.I.'s for university entrance.

BTW: I think blacks do much better in western democracies than they do in Asian, Muslim and black majority countries.

Pretty sure you were called in this in another thread and still haven't given any evidence for it.

 

[basketcase]

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Funny how statista.com doesn't have a chart of violent crime convictions by race. I imagine it would correlate pretty well with the breakdown of people shot to death by police.

There are plenty of studies that show on average, black people are more likely than whites to be arrested for the same crimes and that show that black people on average get longer jail sentences for the same convictions.

Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System – The Sentencing Project

Report to the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Contemporary Forms of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Related Intolerance

www.sentencingproject.org

https://www.asanet.org/sites/default/files/savvy/images/press/docs/pdf/ASARaceCrime.pdf

 

[yomero5]

I'm quite happy to discuss this topic in depth if you want.

General human nature is to desire comfort and people who have benefited from being in the majority are often afraid that disadvantaged people getting rights will somehow hurt them. It's a pretty simple concept. CNN recently had an article about how often conflict arises within even democratic communities when things like bussing or changing demographics of the community. In this part of the world, whites are the majority and in many circumstances have power and opportunity that others don't. It might be more accurate to use "fragility of the power holders" but being a country where that means white people, the term "white fragility' is accurate and is shown over and over again when people like you and many other on this board get triggered by other races.

Then there are the hard-core racists; the ones who believe other races are inferior and don't deserve rights (and there are a number of those on this board too).

I patiently await your thoughtful response.

CNN is garbage news, LOL! No-one but a fool would take that source seriously.