Some masks better than others

[lenny2]

"The science supports that face coverings are saving lives during the coronavirus pandemic, and yet the debate trundles on. How much evidence is enough?

Face masks: what the data say

The science supports that face coverings are saving lives during the coronavirus pandemic, and yet the debate trundles on. How much evidence is enough?

www.nature.com

"To be clear, the science supports using masks, with recent studies ... parachutes have never been tested in a randomized controlled trial, either."

Face masks: what the data say

The science supports that face coverings are saving lives during the coronavirus pandemic, and yet the debate trundles on. How much evidence is enough?

www.nature.com

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

"Face mask mandates slowed the spread of COVID-19 in Canada"

"... This column evaluates the impact of mask mandates on the spread of COVID-19 in Canada, using the different timings that masks were mandated across the 34 health districts of the province of Ontario. Mask mandates are associated with a 25% or larger weekly reduction in new COVID-19 cases in July and August, relative to the absence of mandates.

Face mask mandates slowed the spread of COVID-19 in Canada

The mandatory wearing of face masks remains a contentious policy issue during the COVID-19 pandemic. This column evaluates the impact of mask mandates on the spread of COVID-19 in Canada, using the different timings that masks were mandated across the 34 health districts of the province of...

voxeu.org

It didnt slow the spread in Ontario, thats for sure.

And looking at the overall Canada picture it didnt slow the spread from summer into the fall

 

[benstt]

"Face mask mandates slowed the spread of COVID-19 in Canada"

"... This column evaluates the impact of mask mandates on the spread of COVID-19 in Canada, using the different timings that masks were mandated across the 34 health districts of the province of Ontario. Mask mandates are associated with a 25% or larger weekly reduction in new COVID-19 cases in July and August, relative to the absence of mandates.

Face mask mandates slowed the spread of COVID-19 in Canada

The mandatory wearing of face masks remains a contentious policy issue during the COVID-19 pandemic. This column evaluates the impact of mask mandates on the spread of COVID-19 in Canada, using the different timings that masks were mandated across the 34 health districts of the province of...

voxeu.org

Was going to post this one too. It is good to see them analyze the data district by district and try to account for the different timing of the mask mandates to draw out the effects from the noise.

 

[benstt]

It didnt slow the spread in Ontario, thats for sure.

And looking at the overall Canada picture it didnt slow the spread from summer into the fall

One cannot tell whether there was an effect or not from looking at your graph.

 

[basketcase]

You guy realize that not all masks are the same?
Surgical masks don't work...

Sorry but that is a dumb statement.

All masks reduce the number of particles passing through, mainly larger aerosolized particles that carry viruses. N95 reduce particle transfer by 95%. Polypro surgical masks are estimated in the 80% range. Even a thin weave cloth bandana will reduce transfer by a few percent.

 

[basketcase]

It didnt slow the spread in Ontario, thats for sure.
...

Another dumb statement.

I'm sure in your timetravelling experiments you have data that refutes the data lenny provided.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Another dumb statement

Actually whats dumb is saying Bar/Restaurants are to blame for most for Covid transmissions, which you have repeatedly done

 

[lenny2]

It didnt slow the spread in Ontario, thats for sure.

And looking at the overall Canada picture it didnt slow the spread from summer into the fall

According to what i posted (& you replied to) mask mandates did slow the spread of the virus in Ontario. Here it is again:

"Face mask mandates slowed the spread of COVID-19 in Canada"

"... This column evaluates the impact of mask mandates on the spread of COVID-19 in Canada, using the different timings that masks were mandated across the 34 health districts of the province of Ontario. Mask mandates are associated with a 25% or larger weekly reduction in new COVID-19 cases in July and August, relative to the absence of mandates.

Face mask mandates slowed the spread of COVID-19 in Canada

The mandatory wearing of face masks remains a contentious policy issue during the COVID-19 pandemic. This column evaluates the impact of mask mandates on the spread of COVID-19 in Canada, using the different timings that masks were mandated across the 34 health districts of the province of...

voxeu.org

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

According to what i posted (& you replied to) mask mandates did slow the spread of the virus in Ontario. Here it is again:

"Face mask mandates slowed the spread of COVID-19 in Canada"

"... This column evaluates the impact of mask mandates on the spread of COVID-19 in Canada, using the different timings that masks were mandated across the 34 health districts of the province of Ontario. Mask mandates are associated with a 25% or larger weekly reduction in new COVID-19 cases in July and August, relative to the absence of mandates.

Face mask mandates slowed the spread of COVID-19 in Canada

The mandatory wearing of face masks remains a contentious policy issue during the COVID-19 pandemic. This column evaluates the impact of mask mandates on the spread of COVID-19 in Canada, using the different timings that masks were mandated across the 34 health districts of the province of...

voxeu.org

And that information is useless since new infections skyrocketed in September and October, all while almost everyone was wearing their masks

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Ditto for the rest of Canada

 

[lenny2]

And that information is useless since new infections skyrocketed in September and October, all while almost everyone was wearing their masks

How can it be useless when it is evidence that mask mandates lowered infections.

As for infections increasing in the fall in many places, this was predicted by health experts as schools reopened, more people went back to work, more went indoors in cold weather to closer quarters in rooms often with poor ventilation. The varying rates of covidiocy, irresponsibility & lockdown fatigue are among other factors (e.g. Thanksgiving gatherings) that affect the number of infections. Without masks, whose effectiveness is scientifically supported, the fall infections increase would be way worse.

"The cold in northern parts of America will push people back inside, where the virus has a much easier time spreading than the outdoors."

Experts say Covid-19 cases are likely about to surge

America keeps making the same mistakes over and over. So another surge of coronavirus cases seems likely.

www.vox.com

And who is wearing masks indoors?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

How can it be useless when it is evidence that mask mandates lowered infections

You have no way of knowing whether or not masks made much difference

As for infections increasing in the fall in many places, this was predicted by health experts as schools reopened

Schools didnt reopen until September 15th. The 2nd wave was well under way by then

more people went back to work

More people were going back to work in the Spring after the lockdown as well

more went indoors in cold weather to closer quarters in rooms often with poor ventilation

Cold weather didnt start end of September, the 2nd wave was well under way by September 5th

The varying rates of covidiocy, irresponsibility & lockdown fatigue are among other factors (e.g. Thanksgiving gatherings) that affect the number of infections

Covidiocy started in the Spring right after the lockdown ended, and continued into the summer. You have no evidence covidiocy somehow increased on Sept. 5th when the 2nd wave started

Without masks, whose effectiveness is scientifically supported, the fall infections increase would be way worse

You have no way of proving this

And who is wearing masks indoors?

Lots of people wear masks in their workplace(s).

As per usual you pull shit out of your ass that sounds good to you, and then you pass it on as fact

 

[lenny2]

You have no way of knowing whether or not masks made much difference

The scientific evidence & common sense tell me that masks work.

Schools didnt reopen until September 15th. The 2nd wave was well under way by then

Kids were out shopping for back to school stuff before then.

More people were going back to work in the Spring after the lockdown as well

Not as many as when kids got back to school.

Cold weather didnt start end of September, the 2nd wave was well under way by September 5th

Not according to this chart:

Google Search

www.google.com

Covidiocy started in the Spring right after the lockdown ended, and continued into the summer. You have no evidence covidiocy somehow increased on Sept. 5th when the 2nd wave started

You have no evidence that covidiocy, or any number of other factors working together, didn't cause the rise in infections in the fall. Did the rise in infections just happen for no reason? Is that your argument? Like i said:

As for infections increasing in the fall in many places, this was predicted by health experts as schools reopened, more people went back to work, more went indoors in cold weather to closer quarters in rooms often with poor ventilation. The varying rates of covidiocy, irresponsibility & lockdown fatigue are among other factors (e.g. Thanksgiving gatherings) that affect the number of infections. Without masks, whose effectiveness is scientifically supported, the fall infections increase would be way worse.

Lots of people wear masks in their workplace(s).

I was referring to wearing masks in their own homes, apartments or rooms where they live & sleep. Who wears masks there? As i quoted:

"The cold in northern parts of America will push people back inside, where the virus has a much easier time spreading than the outdoors."

So all it takes for infections to rise is people spending more time indoors.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The scientific evidence & common sense tell me that masks work

They're not working in Ontario and many European countries right now

Kids were out shopping for back to school stuff before then

What does shopping have to do with it?? We're talking about kids in school when they are sitting close together in class.
Scenarios like this is where new infections rates can rise, not so much from shopping. Another one of your dumb arguments

Not according to this chart:

Google Search

www.google.com

LOL...do you even read your own charts??!! It actually shows an upward trend starting on September 1st

You have no evidence that covidiocy, or any number of other factors working together, didn't cause the rise in infections in the fall

You have no evidence that coviodicy did cause a rise either. If you do, please post the stats.
I'll be waiting for that

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Record high 1,050 new cases today, while testing has dropped. But yeah masks are working great.....LOL

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[lenny2]

They're not working in Ontario and many European countries right now

Actually the scientific evidence & common sense tell me that masks work.

What does shopping have to do with it??

Being in a store full of people is more dangerous than being outside away from crowds.

LOL...do you even read your own charts??!! It actually shows an upward trend starting on September 1st

The charts shows many up & down movements before then. A single upward movement is not a trend, let alone a "second wave".

You have no evidence that coviodicy did cause a rise either.

You have no evidence that covidiocy, or any number of other factors working together, didn't cause the rise in infections in the fall. Did the rise in infections just happen for no reason? Is that your argument? Like i said:

As for infections increasing in the fall in many places, this was predicted by health experts as schools reopened, more people went back to work, more went indoors in cold weather to closer quarters in rooms often with poor ventilation. The varying rates of covidiocy, irresponsibility & lockdown fatigue are among other factors (e.g. Thanksgiving gatherings) that affect the number of infections. Without masks, whose effectiveness is scientifically supported, the fall infections increase would be way worse.

Who wears masks at home? As i quoted:

"The cold in northern parts of America will push people back inside, where the virus has a much easier time spreading than the outdoors."

So all it takes for infections to rise is people spending more time indoors.

 

[lenny2]

Record high 1,050 new cases today, while testing has dropped. But yeah masks are working great.....LOL

Toronto, Canada and Global Breaking News – CP24

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Logical fallacy. You keep making the same error repeatedly. And repeatedly not getting it.

No one ever claimed masks will stop a rise in infections even when people are behaving more dangerously.

What did you expect would happen when people act in ways that increase their risk for infections? Of course the number of infections will go up.

Do you think the number of infections just go up for no reason? By magic, or something? LOL.

"Face mask mandates slowed the spread of COVID-19 in Canada"

"... This column evaluates the impact of mask mandates on the spread of COVID-19 in Canada, using the different timings that masks were mandated across the 34 health districts of the province of Ontario. Mask mandates are associated with a 25% or larger weekly reduction in new COVID-19 cases in July and August, relative to the absence of mandates.

Face mask mandates slowed the spread of COVID-19 in Canada

The mandatory wearing of face masks remains a contentious policy issue during the COVID-19 pandemic. This column evaluates the impact of mask mandates on the spread of COVID-19 in Canada, using the different timings that masks were mandated across the 34 health districts of the province of...

voxeu.org

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The charts shows many up & down movements before then. A single upward movement is not a trend, let alone a "second wave"

Yes it does show an upward trend plus a 2nd wave.
Starts on August 31st actually. So 2 weeks before schools opened

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

WHO warns Canada is facing a 'second wave' of coronavirus cases

"Canada is currently facing its second wave and areas that were not previously affected are now surpassing the numbers seen during the first wave," PAHO's top official said.

www.cnbc.com

Canada is experiencing a second wave of coronavirus cases as the provinces of Quebec and Ontario report the bulk of the country’s Covid-19 death toll, the Pan American Health Organization’s top health official warned Wednesday.

“Canada is currently facing its second wave, and areas that were not previously affected are now surpassing the numbers seen during the first wave,” Carissa Etienne, director of PAHO and the World Health Organization regional director for the Americas, said at a news briefing

 

[lenny2]

Yes it does show an upward trend plus a 2nd wave.

Regardless of your opinion there, the fact remains your claim that a rise in infections proves masks don't work is a baseless argument that has no merit:

You have no evidence that coviodicy did cause a rise either.

You have no evidence that covidiocy, or any number of other factors working together, didn't cause the rise in infections in the fall. Did the rise in infections just happen for no reason? Is that your argument? Like i said:

As for infections increasing in the fall in many places, this was predicted by health experts as schools reopened, more people went back to work, more went indoors in cold weather to closer quarters in rooms often with poor ventilation. The varying rates of covidiocy, irresponsibility & lockdown fatigue are among other factors (e.g. Thanksgiving gatherings) that affect the number of infections. Without masks, whose effectiveness is scientifically supported, the fall infections increase would be way worse.

Who wears masks at home? As i quoted:

"The cold in northern parts of America will push people back inside, where the virus has a much easier time spreading than the outdoors."

So all it takes for infections to rise is people spending more time indoors.